We Don’t Need You To Do That
Starting from point A.
Justifiable use of force by the aggressor is not available to a person who initially provokes the use of force against himself.
If not but for the fact that George Zimmerman, (who was armed with a fully loaded gun), got out of his truck to follow 17-year-old, unarmed Trayvon Martin, the two would not have come into physical contact.
Posted on 04/19/2013, in Evidence, George and Shellie Zimmerman, Justice For Trayvon, Videos and tagged current-events, George Zimmerman, justice for Trayvon, Mark Osterman, self defense, Serino, Trayvon Martin, trial. Bookmark the permalink. 109 Comments.
We Hold These Truths To Be Self-Evident 
I pray, I hope, It is not my desire to take another humans life……for whatever reason….Even in defense of me and mine…….Bears, (don’t even want to kill him…..just an ass load of rubber buckshot) Pigeons & Crows are a different story….
To gain ones “manhood” or “self importance” at the cost of another life’s?
I can think of nothing lower
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@MMPat. I agree. GZ could have faced the music with a charge of unlawful retainer, but he did not have to take Trayvon’s life. Testimony at trial of DNA evidence shall prove that Trayvon didn’t punch neither smother GZ, nor bash his head on anything.
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mmp & Xena……For the life of me, I cannot fathom, even knowing Fogen is a mental midget, what causes one to do something like this. To kill anyone for the horseshit reason we know was his motivation and to claim the last words of Trayvon as his own……….
I know when Fogen gets settled into hell, even Satan will be pissed…….and then it will get ugly. Then when Moron O’ Mara joins them, there will be no Motions to file on this agony.
Your right Pat, nothing could be lower and I have a hard time tempering my anger.
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Layers of anger. Angry that he got out of his truck and followed Trayvon. Angry that he assumed having authority to be judge Trayvon. Angry that he killed Trayvon. Angry that he lied about it being a justifiable homicide. Angry that he lied about donations making it reasonable to believe he planned to flee. Angry that he smirked and blamed his taking of Trayvon’s life on God. It’s the type of anger that causes me to shake my head in disgust.
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Yep……in disgust that defies description.
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This GZ is one stupid dude. Sean is watching his GPS enabled E911 monitor and he see’s GZ moving rapidly after saying that Trayvon ran. Sean says “Are you following him?” as a way of trying to make GZ recall his tour of the E911 call center, and perhaps remember that all cell phones are GPS tracked. GZ doesn’t pick up on it, or may be he does, but doesn’t think that the GPS data is also recorded. So he say “Yes I am”, so Sean says; “We don’t need you to do that”, GZ says “okay” but he continues to move. My guess is Sean is now watching the monitor and he sees that GZ is not about to give up the hunt.
My guess is that at this point Sean get’s antsy and taps the trace lock key, meaning he will now keep tracking the phone, even after the caller disconnects. Then he offers GZ a little warning: “So I’ll have the officer meet you at the clubhouse?” GZ comes back with: “Could you have them call me when they get here? Then I’ll let them know where I am?” Sean tries one more time to wake GZ up by replying: “Okay I’ll let them know where you are when they get there!” [but not in so many words]. GZ doesn’t take the cue and stays right on the hunt.
This is probably why the first 911 call doesn’t go to Sean’s terminal, because he’s still tracking GZ, so the software sends the incoming calls to other terminals first.
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“This GZ is one stupid dude.” That’s a real stretch, he’s actually not quite that smart.
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@Lonnie Starr. As you often say, TICK TOCK.
The State had all their ducks in a row with evidence when GZ was charged. O’Mara knows that too, or he would have had an immunity hearing long ago.
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Sure, just imagine a screen in front of the courtroom with the image of GZ’s phone moving rapidly south of the tee towards Trayvon’s house. Then turning to suddenly start racing north. That would have been it, no more beg-a-thon, no more office renovation, no more perks. Worse yet, as far as I can tell, after such a tape played, there would be no more bail either. Unless I miss my guess from what the Professor has said, in Florida there’s a component to bail that says you can’t be too likely guilty. I read that as saying that if guilty is 90% likely then that’s a good and sufficient reason for the court not to admit the defendant to bail.
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What the Professor shared about bond applies to establishing bond while awaiting trial. Since the court already granted bail, and had GZ had immunity denied, the State would need to file a motion to revoke bond for the court to consider.
You are right — O’Mara realized the consequences of having an immunity hearing would stop the blood money from coming in. GZ’s supporters would see his guilt and there is no chance on a jury deciding otherwise based on the evidence.
Actually, since GZ cannot afford to live free on bail, he should have stayed in jail. At least then O’Mara may have had sufficient money for expert witnesses rather than now using the lack of money as an excuse.
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Yes, after an immunity hearing failure, the SP would be remiss not to move against continuing the bond. With such a high degree of guilt having been determined, it would be a danger to the public to allow him to remain free, after all, facing nothing in his future save the impending loss of freedom for the rest of his life, he’d likely turn to fixating on settling scores if any. Or Hairy Carry (hee hee hee!)
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@Lonnie Starr.
Well, looks like he’s eating himself to death.
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I just wrote some comments about the NEN dispatcher……Click:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/05/17197493-zimmerman-wont-seek-stand-your-ground-hearing-in-april?last=1366507293&threadId=3679334&commentId=75692709#c75691406
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@Yahtzee. I admire your patience. I read your comment and several that followed. The other person, IMO, is not thinking like a concerned adult in a gated community. Not recognizing the teen, and seeing him walking in the rain, and having confidence of being NW, the first thing GZ should have done is pulled up, rolled down his window, introduced himself and asked if the teen wanted him to call someone to pick him up.
Some years ago a friend who has Cerebral Parsley shared a story with me of how her car stopped and she was walking to find a phone, when a cop stopped her and demanded she take a breathalyzer test because she wasn’t walking straight.
As a preacher once said, people with clean hearts and clean minds don’t think the worst of people based on sight. People with evil hearts and minds assume that everyone else is as evil as they are.
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So true.
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Thanks for your kind words, Xena.
The discussion is still continuing with the other side becoming ornery.
I just wrote the following:
Click> http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/05/17197493-zimmerman-wont-seek-stand-your-ground-hearing-in-april?last=1366507293&threadId=3679334&commentId=75692709#c75698528
You might wish to read 3 or 4 comments above it.
[I really feel for your friend who had to experience that type of treatment from an officer. Also, I am going to save the preacher’s quote. He speaks the truth! ]
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Hey Yahtzee…….See ur still bustin balls on newsvine 🙂
And I see the same bullshit….from the same people……
Tell Mr P, Jo An and the rest of the team I said HI 🙂
Also tell kramp that there’s not much snow left for him to piss his name in……I would welcome him….with open sights ……Nuff Sed
TC & TTYL
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Well, hello, MMP 🙂
I just posted your message over there. It is at the bottom of the same page at #808 if you wish to keep an eye on the responses to it.
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@Yahtzee. There is something else that preacher taught also, which is people who live in fear believe that others fear the same things they do. They place their courage in items rather than character. We see that with GZ. He said he was afraid of Trayvon, yet got out of his truck to follow him. His courage was in the gun.
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“I don’t know if chasing can be considered illegal, but it is definitely threatening.”
Under these circumstances it is definitely illegal. It is unlawful to act in a way that causes others to become concerned for their own safety, period. In the dark and in the rain, with no one else around, and having ignored any opportunity to explain his actions, GZ is displaying a dangerously hostile affront to Trayvon without a lawful reason for doing so.
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“That is why the dispatcher stopped George from chasing. The dispatcher was concerned for Trayvon’s safety.”
The dispatcher is trained to handle NW calls, remember RATL is not the only NW group in operation in Sanford. So the dispatcher is reminding GZ of the rules of NW, which should inform GZ that not to follow is for the safety of both individuals involved.
It is a matter of record that GZ took a 14 hour course on NW, that course is the one available at the National Sheriffs Association website. So, GZ did not need to be informed of the rules, he was well aware of them, which is why he tries to explain that he got out of his truck to get an address he never bothers to use. As if that allows him the cover he needs to keep hunting for Trayvon. Well, it doesn’t work that way, it’s first things first. GZ left his truck with a firearm and followed the person he called a suspect. Even though, he had nothing to suspect that person of doing, except the fanciful idea that “he’s up to no good”.
When, in fact, Trayvon was up to some good, he was trying to bring his little brother some candy. GZ wants us to think that Trayvon was a murderous killer, vicious, strong and highly skilled. I, for one, do not think so!
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Lonnie…..my first cup of coffee was just ejected nasally…..I quote you….
“It is a matter of record that GZ took a 14 hour course on NW, that course is the one available at the National Sheriffs Association website. So, GZ did not need to be informed of the rules,”
And what other courses did fogen take, and fail in his life?…..This 14 hour course probably didn’t include any tests to see if the participants understood what they were being taught”
One needs to remember that fogen is a dumbass, with a “my ways better” attitude…..
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Like Serino says, GZ did not have authority to apprehend. GZ followed Trayvon for the reason he stated; i.e., “These assholes. They always get away.” GZ did not judge Trayvon as an individual. Rather, he judged Trayvon as a group of individuals, referring to Trayvon in the plural; “assholes.”
The question then becomes, why would GZ assume that the kid he reported as suspicious would get away before the police arrived? Was he doing something to antagonize hoping to cause a confrontation that would retain the kid until the police arrived?
Indeed, had Trayvon been confrontational, he would have done something to GZ’s truck to get GZ outside of it so they could fight. Trayvon was not confrontational. He ran. When he ran, GZ not only judged him to be a group of “assholes,” but he also judged him to be a group of “fucking punks.” IOWs, GZ judged Trayvon to be a coward for running.
The depraved mind certainly applies to GZ.
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Not to mention that in this technological age, pretty nearly everyone should be used to seeing and hearing people on hands free cell phones.
Oh, it’s been quite a few years since I was last puzzled or perplexed by seeing people walking down the street strangely, gesticulating, seemingly talking to themselves, stopping, turning, appearing to pause and look about before continuing on. If one cared to take a closer look, it took less than a minutes observation to determine that the weirdly acting person, was actually engaged in a cell phone call.
While GZ seems to have been able to discern that button Trayvon wore, he was unable to see Trayvon’s lips moving? Unable to determine that Trayvon wasn’t occupied with his local surroundings so much?
That’s why I feel that GZ had to do something pretty dramatic to have gotten Trayvon’s attention so quickly after the cctv shows that he arrived at the mail kiosk. Probably flooded Trayvon with his high beam headlights, then menaced him with his tactical flashlight beam.
As you say GZ gives Sean good reason to become concerned for Trayvon’s safety, which would be another good reason for Sean to deploy GPS tracking on the caller and keep it on him until the police arrive.
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You’re wasting your time with that character, “canvasing”, the guy is so desperate that he’s plying with words to save his views. It’s one thing to try to interpret the meaning of the words someone else has used, since they could have different meanings that even the user was aware (FT’s “short term vision” anyone? 🙂 All he is doing is trying to call GZ’s hunting for Trayvon “canvassing”, but that effort fails because the term requires that he ask people for information, not sweep the area with his eyes, since that is :”surveying”. Poor fella, let him go his way with his delusions, I’m afraid you’ll not disabuse him of them anytime soon.
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Ahhh Lonnie. You mean like people who argue that GZ wasn’t on NW patrol that evening, although “patrolling” is still against NW rules. Patrolling carries the idea of being outside on duty, for the purpose of providing security. That is probably why the feds questioned whether GZ had a Class G CCL. Also probably why the HOA settled with Sybrina and Tracy rather than go to court. GZ had no authority to “patrol” and no legal license to carry to weapon while he did so — that evening, or at any other time.
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Thanks, Lonnie and Xena.
I just quoted my original comment with your comments as a new post over there. I image I will see responses from the zimmies = to this:
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@Yahtzee. Hahahaha!! That’s a funny cat. Yep. Heads exploding.
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Xena…..just for laughs you gotta read the comments start at:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/05/17197493-zimmerman-wont-seek-stand-your-ground-hearing-in-april?pc=25&sp=750&threadId=3679334&last=1366507293#c75722140
Ya think there might be a breakdown in communications? 🙂
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Ya just gotta love those he did nothing illegal comments…….those silly Zidiots.
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That is why I have no patience with Zidiots. They do not like discussing evidence and seem to get very angry when GZ’s own words are presented. Then they retaliate with personal attacks and accusations. Such immature attitude, much like little children, who when losing at a game accuses others of cheating.
They cannot focus on the person who is charged with 2nd degree murder and is awaiting trial. They should get a clue — it is NOT Trayvon Martin.
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It’s pretty obvious “ric” has the IQ of a gnat.
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I was over there for a bit today…..that’s why I’m not there now…..the same reason I don’t want a job driving a Honeydipper……….BTW kmp is the one that threatened to piss his name in the snow here 🙂
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And I noticed that not a single Zidiot had anything to say about the fact that there was Immunity Hearing today…….(racer gloating like mad)
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Is Carmen still there?…….she blames all her typos on her old computer……and if U reply to her enough…even negatively….she’ll think you like her…:\
You do know that if you enter a room full of zidiots you won’t see one head?….not because they don’t have them…..It’s just because they all have them stuck up their ass’s…
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“…there was (no) Immunity Hearing today….Opps
They’ve been hiding their collective heads up their asses for quite some time now, those silly Zidiots.
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Hey Racer… Why don’t you and the other Trayvonites play a little game with the Zidiots. It goes like this, one person asks some silly question about the immunity hearing like: “I thought the immunity hearing was going to be held yesterday, did anyone hear anything?”
Then a reply: “MOM said tomorrow, he’s almost finished with the gps data!”
Then someone posts back: “He finished with that last week, he had to throw it out because it showed GZ threw the first punch! Now he’s working on a motion to get it suppressed.”
Just keep asking stupid questions and answering each other with stupid answers. The zidiots will get confused and start picking up misinformation. It will serve them right for not paying attention to facts and evidence. They’ll certainly sound smart arguing that gps can’t show who threw the first punch. Hahaha, keep them riled up. :LOL:
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That’s a hell of an idea. I have a friend who may be able to go along with me. I have 2 screen names on HP so that makes at least 3.
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Hahaha… Keep us posted.
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Scripting things now.
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Yuk, yuk, yuk… I just thought of the M-DSPD, and what a joke that turned out to be, Seems that rather than being a big help for GZ, instead the HOA, moments after they read it, turned white as sheets and decided it best to pay out millions rather than face any trial or attempt to defend.
Are the Zidiots still clinging to the failed M-DSPD? Hahaha… might as well throw that in the soup for good measure.
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I just reread the 776 FL statute and I cannot see Fogen prevailing in any way, shape or form. I cannot fathom Corey prosecuting Fogen since the State would now have to pay his legal fees if he wins.
I read in the law last year somewhere that the Immunity Hearing MUST be prior to the trial. Judge Nelson provided for 45 days prior. I cannot believe they would go to trial and halfway through or after he’s attempts to claim Immunity. A little help ??
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Don’t worry, the law means what it says. JN told them she was setting aside dates so that they could have the immunity hearing at least 45 days before trial. After that time expires and they have not asked for the hearing they will be deemed to have waived. Their only remedy will be to appeal and the chances of any success there are nil. This will allow MOM to shrug his shoulders and tell GZ “that’s the way the cookie crumbles, what else can we do”?
I get the impression that even MOM doesn’t like GZ much at all. But that has nothing to do with the case MOM is doing all that he can, he just doesn’t have anything to work with.
What GZ needs to do is, begin teaching Shelly how to bake hack saws into cakes. 😆
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I just read Bernie’s Motion to Compel the defendant to make an appearance and state he waives his Immunity Rights….A hahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!!!!
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If GZ had followed the rules none of this would have happened. The kid would still be alive to graduate, become an aviation mechanic and raise a family of his own. 65 4th of July cook outs, 65 thanksgiving dinners, 65 Christmas trees, 65 Happy New Years hangovers.
All gone because one slimy pig of a failure enjoyed his illusion of power to torture, terrorize and kill. For that society has decreed he must stand trial, and if found guilty he must pay.
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So he’s not a Decent American?? Robbie the Racist lied ?? So what happened at the Immunity Hearing today?? He get found Immune ??
Sure…………….I can gloat…..
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Racer~ Maybe immune from chicken pox, but NOT from murder. Nope.
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I decided the other day that I would gloat today…..being he’s not Immune from Murder charges. The 22nd came and will go and he’ll be in prison soon for a long time. Robbie the racist can tweet all he wants, it won’t change a damn thing.
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Rumor has it that when JN offered to roll the immunity hearing into the back end of the prison sentence. MOM was heard to exclaim: “I don’t know what your deal is judge but we don’t need you to do that!” 😀
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You got it………..homie……That I believe !!
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Here is another great one by LLMPapa just 1 hour ago:
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Singleton Interview – February 26, 2012
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What are the odds on this dork actually knowing how many contradictions he’s facing at trial.
I know I’m not supposed to follow But I’m FogenPhoole, rules matter not
Are you following him ? Damn right I am
Singleton: To have them check out. You just noticed him, OK. Is that what normally what you guys do when you see someone suspicious, you just call?
Zimmerman: Yes, ma’am. Except me, I”m the Mighty FogenPhoole
Singleton: You don’t try (to make contact)
Zimmerman: non emergency
Singleton: to make contact with them?
Zimmerman: No.
Singleton: OK. Alright. (But you did)
Zimmerman I told you already, I’m the Mighty FogenPhoole
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LLMPapa really hits the proverbial nails on the head.
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here’s what I found online about the E911 calls. I’d never heard of this before, but sure sounds good. I hope your right Lonnie!!
Can I use my cellular phone to call 9-1-1?
Cellular phones can call 911 as a free call. Cass county E9-1-1 Communications Center is capable of receiving both Phase 1 and Phase 2 cellular 911 calls, depending on the capabilities of the cellular phone carrier. Phase 1 calls display the tower location and the cell phone number. Phase 2 calls display the cell phone number and the latitude and longitude of the caller within 300 meters, depending on which cell phone carrier you have. Verizon, Nextel, Sprint PCS, and US Cellular all use a GPS chip, which is accurate within 25 meters. Centennial and T-Mobile use a triangulation chip, which is accurate within 300 meters. Check with your cell phone carrier to verify if your phone has the capabilities of delivery the 911 location. All cellular 911 calls in Cass County are answered by the Cass County E9-1-1 Communications Center
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Don’t know a bit about phone GPS systems…..My hand held for hiking gets me to within 50ft of any way point I mark……..If these GPS phones are only accurate to 300 meters……that’s 3/4’s of a football field…….someone educate me about this please
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What they’re talking about is the older system that tried to locate by triangulating between cell towers. That went out around 2000, when the better systems using civil gps came in, they were accurate to 20 to 30 yards, but later around 2005 or so, the phone companies obtained access to military grade gps and are now accurate to within just a few feet. 3 to 6 feet. You’ll find that most security agencies don’t like to give out up-to-date information if they can avoid it. So they’ll tell you that they can’t get a location better than a few hundred feet, when they can actually watch you walk.
Of course, if you’d been watching these things develop, as I had because I had friends on an email list who were playing geo tagging, so I managed to get updates as the systems were being improved. The geo tagging game went away or lost it’s popularity, but when I came back to look at gps state of the art, most of the information is either old, out of date, or gone.
Of course there could be other screw ups too. Sean may not have kept a lock on GZ’s phone. Or data could have been discarded, or software glitch, area of no coverage or any other thing that could prevent them from getting the needed data. But, unless and until we’re told otherwise, I think there’s a better than even chance the data is there.
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Lonnie. as Fogen called the NEN #, is that tracked as a 911 call would be. I just had a customer here who is a township cop and we talked about this at length. The system here tracks only 911 calls as you describe. If you call the regular number it is not tracked but is recorded. He stated some systems track all calls that come in, but is Sanfords capable ?
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Yep Sanford tracks all calls, you can see by the document print outs that the NEN and the 911 calls all have the same screen headers on the print outs. All the terminals, NEN and 911 are all listed. So it’s the same system.
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HOT DAMN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not to play unitron but 300 meters is well over 3 football fields 75 yards is 3/4 of a football field.
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Absolutely right my man….thank you for correcting me…I think my mind might have been on meters to feet.
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I’d hate to have my old quarterback say “Full house, split left, tight right, 1 motion left wagontrain X over, on 3……and can you run a 65 yard out on your guy racer??
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There was one of the Mars landers…..they calculated the reentry in ft per sec…..and programed it in meters per sec……….SPLAT….My Bad 😦
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Nothing ruins your day more than having your re-entry data being off by the power of 3.
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2006 GPS accurate to 20 meters. In 2000 Bill Clinton authorized making military grade gps available to the public. The data we are seeking is spread all over the place, I’ve so far read more than 3 complete wiki’s in addition to several sites. You are spared the technobabble. So thank me. 😆
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Any technobabble you have to say (write) I’m all ears (eyes) Trust me…..as you know how to educate.
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@shannoninmiami. Technology today is amazing!
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Is that Cass Co. Illinois? In any event the data sounds very old. They were using tower locations and triangulation way back in 2000 in the earliest systems. Sanford got it’s E911 system in 2007-2008 as part of a state wide mandated upgrade. In the years after 2000, manufacturers began adding more sophisticated chips to their phones to handle the triangulation data. That’s when it dawned on service providers that good, more reliable gps locators would be needed to drive location dependent advertising. Naturally merchants are going to pay more to get an ad to the phone of a person in the area, most especially if they had been searching or viewing the same merchandise the advertiser is selling.
Then came the popular “geo tagging” games (which you can read about) but they all relied upon apps to do the gps work. Around 2005-06 mfg’s were putting out very sophisticated gps chips allowing phone providers to use civilian gps. But by the time the Sanford upgrade was underway, service providers were using military gps, so they had military accuracy which is just plus or minus 2 or 3 feet.
I’ve done some more searching on e911 and I can see that the information we seek is being hidden away, they don’t seem to want the public to know just how much they can learn from gps or how they are capable of tracking whom. Well, I’ll let you in on a little research secret. (shusssh now don’t spread this around), whey you’re looking to discover system capabilities, and you can’t find good info on the net, go look in the company SEC filings. In their annual reports they love to brag about their systems capabilities.
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your secret is safe with me!!
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and you’re correct again, that is dated material, but it was kinda like a simple explanation of the e991 stuff you were talking about. and I think it is for a rural area in Illinois.
but it sure is interesting isn’t it? I can’t wait till this trial finally proves to the idiots that every single self-serving statement gz made was a damn lie! and I hope they feel like the suckers they are!
#J4TM #6.10.13
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This evidence alone can convict GZ. LUCKILY we have an avalanche of stuff to make sure he gets to prison, stays in prison and eventually gets to hell.
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Hey Cielo62!!! GZ’s NEN call certainly establishes his ill-intent and depraved mind. Had he believed he was right, he would not have lied about getting out of his truck and making up a story about getting an address that even he cannot keep straight. Serino knew it too.
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Good video for your page, Xena.
I just posted your link to the NBC Newsvine gz article.
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Hi Yahtzee. Good to see your fonts. Thanks for posting the link. You must be busy over there. I’ve visited, but it’s rather difficult for me to follow. Hope you are kicking butt and taking names — as they say in the military. 🙂
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Zimmerman has to know he’s toast. Thank You Xena, for another very thought provoking presentation.
Good point on the GPS mapping of Zimmerman’s phone. I’m sure he never dreamed how effectively all of his lies could be exposed. This is the
frosting on the cake.
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Hey Mindyme!!! Good to see you.
When the FBI released pictures of the two guys in Boston, it was said that they were going through phone records to pinpoint calls made during the time the younger guy was on his cell phone, so he could be identified. Technology is not good for folks who commit crimes.
I highly suspect that GZ had no idea that the recording of the 911 call that captured the screens could be enhanced so his voice is detected cursing at Trayvon while Trayvon is begging for his life. He also had no idea of the tracking used by police dispatch.
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I never see when you add new stuff to your blog even though I follow you. i’m gonna look into that! i’m always the last one to the party dammit!!
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@shannonimiami. Sorry you are having problems with notifications. I’ll check for subscribers to make sure you’re registered. Also, I don’t mind sending an email to you personally if you don’t mind.
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get real girl! I wanna see everything you write post yell talk about! if you can remember send me a EVERYTHING you got!!
xoxo
oh but It’s probably something on my part because i’m still not really fluent in wordpress yet.. the only reason I know Prof’s posts is because they come to my text messages. I must of set that up somehow. i’m gonna try to do with yours too…
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@Shannoninmiami. Bless your heart. Thanks so much. I did check and you are subscribed. It’s through your website, so maybe you have to be logged into your website to get the notification icon. Anyway, I’ll add your email to the group to receive notifications of new posts.
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That’s all that matters. Why would zman get out of his car and follow someone who wasn’t doing anything wrong? Yet his supporters when you mention Trevor Dooley will tell you,Trevor had no business leaving his home to yell at a skateboarder and argue with David James. Thorough contradiction.
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m1~ Don’t forget. The DIFFERENCE is that GZ was ‘protecting his neighborhood’ from Black Dynamite Slim. The other guy was just mouthing off.
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He was also carrying illegally if that would contribute to it………..He had opportunities to identify himself………Apparently he tried to restrain the kid…….(what’s up with gunshot residue on fogens left sleeve?)……….The kid resisted…..and fogen shot him……
It may not have been premeditated when fogen left his truck……….Sure as fuck was when he had hold of him and pulled the trigger……
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George to dispatcher after dispatcher repeats his phone number: “Yeah, you got it.”…..
Now, where have I heard THAT before?
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Hey xy11xy. Good to see your fonts.
From GZ’s own mouth, putting those words in Trayvon’s mouth after he shot him in the heart with a hollow point bullet that also went through a lung.
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If GZ is putting his own words into Trayvon’s mouth, then I wonder if his claim that Trayvon said “Shut the fuck up.” were in fact George’s own words to Trayvon?
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In one of the enhanced 911 calls Fogen says “…who the fuck are they….” or to that effect, so yep…….Fogen is doing it as per his usual.
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Absolutely! Trayvon was the one yelling and screaming. Zimmerman makes these little slips of the tongue often. He even says that he put his hands on Tryavon’s …. before catching himself and saying that Martin put his hands over his mouth
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Be reasonable, is a frightened non-violent 17 year old, really going to use abusive and controlling language on a bigger, heavier, stronger and angry adult? Probably not, most especially if the child isn’t fighting, and there is no evidence that the child ever had a superior anything on GZ. There needs to be some evidence of the child, at least displaying some level of confidence, approaching equality with GZ. That is no where in evidence because, if the child never uses his hands at all, he cannot have ever believed he was GZ’s equal at any point in time.
Without any evidence of equality there is no possibility that Trayvon could or would have used abusive language, meant to control his opponent. The superior one uses the abusive and controlling language. The abused and beaten wife does not tell the abusive husband “shut the F**K Up” it just doesn’t happen ever!
GZ thinks that we have to believe whatever he says, simply because we weren’t there. It never dawns on him that crimes can be solved, even if the police were not there when the crime was being committed.
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Im glad you mention heavier stronger adult. Because zman supporters will tell you.,trayvon was the superior because he was 4″ taller than zman. They will not apply that to David James who was 6″ taller 28yrs younger and a musclebound 78 lbs heavier than Trevor Dooley.
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You’re right, those silly Zidiots would never show any consistency in any of this i. e.
FogenPhoole and his arrest record = Concerned Neighborhood Watch Captain & Decent American
FogenPhoole fails Police Academy Psych test miserably / take brain meds = Fogen yelling
“help, help me, help me, help me, help me……” because he imagines being the victim.
Trayvon has baagie that smells or weed, of which no testing was done in shared locker =
Hardened Thug, Violent Attacker, Druggie, Jewelry Thief.
Yeah, Right……the consistency is really a bit underwhelming.
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@racerrodig
Immunity if granted, would prevent trial. O’Mara is thinking ass-backgrounds by saying he is going to trial, but will roll the immunity hearing in with it.
In a nutshell, O’Mara and West have no defense for GZ.
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I have talked to more than a few lawyers and all of them laugh at this defense team. I was told this MUST have been done wayyyyyyyyy back in April last year. An Immunity hearing should have been filed so the Sword of Damocles is not hanging over anyone’s head minute more than need be.
I swear I read that any Affirmative Defense would have to be at least so many days before trial as Nelson ordered a days.
What part of the law don’t O’ Mara & West understand…….silly me…..I guess all of it.
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Thank you LLMPapa!!! Another amazing video!
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Humpty Georgie sat on a wall.
Humpty Georgie had a great fall.
All of Georgie’s pals,
And all of his lawyers,
Can’t put Humpty Georgie
Back together again.
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Turn down your volume before you play this:
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Another killer video about the killer I must say. I just hate it when my friends do that. Actually I’ve never been in that position, but you know what I mean.
As the song by the Kingston Trio goes
Hang down your head Fogen
Hang down your head and cry
Hang down your head Fogen
Oh boy you’re gonna die
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Do you happen to remember mailing box tops to Battle Creek Mich. as a kid?
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As a matter of fact, I do……Get your free decoder ring……the best was a small camera by sending in wrappers from Sugar Daddies !! Damn near drove dad into bankruptcy developing all my pictures !!!
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@Racer. Hahaha!!! Light bulbs — those little bulbs that flashed one time and then you used another one. That practically ran my dad crazy because I used my entire allowance on those bulbs. I got the camera for junior high graduation. Still have it too!!
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Oh goodie…..I’ll be over or better yet, when we have the Huge Celebratory Conviction BBQ, you can take pictures with it. B & W I assume ??
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@racerrodig
Absolutely, but I don’t think they make the film neither the bulbs anymore. 😦
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And I was so looking forward to you saying just like my grandfather did, “…..ok, everyone smile……..2…2….3……cheese !!………(click)….”
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That’s “1 2 3”
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Just one thing…. Who would put in HOLLOW-point bullets in a gun and say it is for home protection, when full metal jackets work just fine. Even police officers don’t carry hollow-point.
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@Brian. Who would use hollow-point bullets in a gun for personal protection? George Zimmerman, who intends to kill with one shot. Zimmerman has been very clear that he “aimed” before shooting. He didn’t shoot to warn or wound — he aimed for Trayvon’s heart intending to kill the unarmed 17 year old. He wanted no witness to his violation of law of pursuing and restraining. As Serino told him, GZ had no authority to do that.
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Depraved to say the least. Damn, I wish he hadn’t missed his left hand. Trayvon would have survived and been able to tell what happened.
Fogen “……um, well….I had to be careful not to shoot my left hand…”
Serino “…..well…looks like your miss……missed. You’re entitled to one phone call and you phone is being held as evidence”
Move to hospital, bedside with Trayvon, just coming out of induced coma, all family and Mr. Crump are there.
Sybrina Fulton “Trayvon ! we were so scared….oh honey, you’ll be alright!!”
Tracey Martin (huge daddy hug and kiss on cheek) “…..on son, I don’t know what to say but the whole country seems to be behind you. This is Mr. Crump, he’s a real good lawyer, can you tell him what you remember”
Trayvon (slightly dazed, but coherent) “………man, it happened pretty fast, how’s Dee Dee?”
Sybrina “Oh she’s in the hallway, she was so scared for you, she’s crying and didn’t want you to see here that way”
Trayvon “Man, I can did it. Tell her to come in. Anyway, I was rappin with her on my way back from the 7 – 11 and this dude kept following me. Then he had his lights off then on again like some game. Then he drove by me so I ran…..shit…I ran. Then behind the 1st row of houses, some other white dude blocked me and the other dude came like jogging up and he had a gun out.”
Crump “..he had his gun out when he got to you??”
Trayvon “…yeah…..I couldn’t believe that shit….what’d I do? So he grabs my hoodie and starts screaming questions at me and I’m, like I don’t know ’em and what you talking bout.
Crump “Then what did he do, and did you try and defend yourself”
Trayvon “…..Sir, I never even hit the dude…..he was packing this little pistol then he shoved me down and said you gonna die now mother fucker. Man that’s about the last thing I remember for a few minutes. Then this guy was prayin or something.”
Tracey “….well Slim, that dude, Zimmerman’s his name, blew his left hand off with the shot and just some pieces of the bullet got ya. It knocked you out and the doctors had to keep you asleep so the surgery and medicine wold have a chance to work.”
Trayvon “He’s in jail, or did he get away??”
Sybrina “They got him. He thought he killed you and he said it was self defense”
Trayvon “SELF DEFENSE……by who ??…..”
Crump “Trayvon, you rest easy now. He’s charged with so many crimes he’s going away for a long time. You don’t worry about that now, You do what the doctors tell ya now. The legal system is comin’ down on that boy. The State Prosecutor Ms. Corey and the man in charge Bernie are gonna make sure this gets put right”
If only Fogen hadn’t missed.
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Racer, you should write movie scripts. I enjoyed that.
GZ was enjoying terrorizing Trayvon and wrestling to detain him, until Trayvon’s screams got the attention of residents who said they were calling 911. GZ was then “out of time.” As he told Hannity, he thought the police would arrive seeing him holding the gun and shoot him. He was terrified. He intended to kill Trayvon, aiming for his heart. Now, if Trayvon was straddle GZ with his thighs right next to the holstered gun, it would have been much easier for GZ to shoot from the hip wounding Trayvon in the thigh, than outright exposing the gun. If Trayvon could not get the gun off GZ’s hip, then what prevented him from wrestling for the gun after GZ unholstered it? Reasonably, because Trayvon never went for the gun and because GZ admitted to having Trayvon’s arm pinned when shooting him. That is not shooting in self-defense.
GZ shall be convicted of second-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison. ShelLIE is also going to prison.
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“GZ shall be convicted of second-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison. ShelLIE is also going to prison.”
Correct on both counts. AND if Fogen did pull his pistol as he says, Trayvon would have grabbed Fogens hands and pushed forward pointing the gun away. It’s so obvious.
FogenPhooole just laid there getting his ass kicked and does nothing.
Trayvon see’s a pistol and does nothing….he just lets that lying bastard shoot him ??
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