George Zimmerman Looked In The Mirror ….
and he saw John Orr and adopted most of Orr’s allegations to claim self-defense.
Both are charged with 2nd degree murder.
Both killed an unarmed individual.
On October 2, 2011, John Orr killed Jon Wayne Joseph of Naples, FL, and claimed self-defense under Florida’s stand your ground law. Joseph was unarmed.
On March 6, 2012, during an hour and a half on the stand at his immunity hearing, Orr testified that after a brief verbal exchange, Joseph;
- got on a bicycle and rammed him from behind; and
- straddled him, pinning him down; and
- bashed his head into the ground three times; and
- tried gouging his eyes; and
- threatened to kill him.
Orr testified that Joseph had total control of the situation, and “Every time I tried to do something, he countered. He had me pinned down. It was very hard to breathe even.”
When interviewed after the killing of Joseph, Orr told Naples police that he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and takes several prescription medications.
Orr is represented by attorney Mike McDonnell. Collier Circuit Judge Frank Baker presided over the hearing.
District 20 Medical Examiner Marta Coburn and crime scene investigator Sara Vazquez said blood evidence from the scene and Orr’s clothing suggest Orr wasn’t being forcefully straddled when he stabbed Joseph. Investigator Vazquez said that blood on Orr’s clothing didn’t have any debris in it, suggesting he wasn’t pinned to the ground. She also said that the blood was largely on Orr’s left side, with blood found in the stitching of the armpit of Orr’s shirt, suggesting that Orr was holding Joseph’s head in a headlock while stabbing him.
Assistant State’s Attorney Andreas Gardiner argued the blood evidence and Orr’s lack of wounds didn’t give him the right to use deadly force against an unarmed Joseph. The State argued Stand Your Ground didn’t apply because Orr used excessive force.
“Does a reasonably prudent, cautious person then proceed to go ahead and stab this individual 75 times? That’s the problem that the state has with this entire case,” Gardiner said.
At the immunity hearing, Assistant State’s Attorney Gardiner replayed an interview Orr gave to police in the hours after the stabbing. Gardiner said details in Orr’s police interview didn’t match his testimony. Among the inconsistencies were that Orr told police he was head butted and had his eyes gouged, but did not testify to neither in the immunity hearing.
“Those inconsistencies, combined with the blood analysis, refuted Orr’s “Stand Your Ground” claim, Gardiner said.
Along with the physical evidence not matching Orr’s version of events, the State also argued that they were able to present many variable possibilities.
The Honorable Judge Frank Baker denied Orr’s motion for immunity from second-degree murder charges under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, which allows the use of deadly force in some self-defense situations. Defense attorneys say they will appeal this decision. Orr remains in jail on second degree murder charges.
Blackbutterfly7 August 29, 2012