What’s the Deal with Family Separation?

Thanks for your excellent, well-informed post.

“Kids who are separated from their parents at a young age – those Romanian kids, the Aboriginal kids in Australia – have lower IQs, suffer the long term effects of PTSD, and their fight or flight response can be permanently broken.”

In other words, the Trump administration is setting up a generation of Brown people for failure, to add to arguments made by White Supremacists that having a lower IQ makes them inferior. It will be yet another people running from law enforcement who are shot and killed, while some ask why they ran rather than comply.

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Why Pediatricians Worry about Family Separation:IMMIGRANT-CHILD-CRIES-06-18

Sadly, we have lots of data about the damage done to children when they are separated from their families.

  • In Romania during his tenure as communist leader Nicolae Ceaușescu felt that the Romanian economy would improve if there were simply more Romanians, and so he pushed people to have children that they did not have the resources to care for. As a result, there were many Romanian children who grew up in orphanages.
  • In Australia, about 1 in 10 Aboriginal children were removed from their families to be raised by white Christians between 1910 and 1970.
  • In China right now many children, known as “the left behind,” live in outlying villages while their parents move away to work.

When children are separated from their families, their bodies suffer a stress response and secrete cortisol and adrenaline. These molecules initially damage and in the end can…

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    • crustyolemothman

      Dear Xena,

      Well, tRump did tell people he wanted to take this nation back! Many people said I was incorrect when I suggested he wanted to take this nation back to the 1850″s when slavery was legal and rich white property owners were treated like royalty! How many people now realize what I was trying to tell them? I have for all intents and purposes quit referring to him as tRump and have decided that for purposes of accurate description I will simply call him King Donnie! However, for reasons that many do not understand, I still do not want him impeached and removed from office. IMO, Pence is even more dangerous that King Donnie, and he could, if unbound from King Donnie manage to carry the vote and be elected in 2020, so before you demand the removal of King Donnie make sure you know the potential hazards of doing so!!

      Note: If the Democrats win at least the House this fall, then King Donnie can be somewhat neutered by action of the legislative branch.. To win the Senate as well would cripple him to the point of making him irreverent. It is ok to hate him, if you wish, but before you cut your arm off to get rid of a splinter in your finger, please realize that you are possibly letting your hatred to over ride good sense…

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      • Mothman,
        You and I were on the same page. I had to dig back to find it, but in January 2017, I wrote a post titled “Who Man Who Became King of The United States“.

        Regarding Pence, please refresh my memory. Didn’t Gerald Ford serve the shortest term in presidential office for any president other than those who died in office? The same could happen to Pence if Trump resigns or is impeached.

        There’s a side of me that hopes that if we have more Democrats in the House and Senate, that they can reign in the Trump dictatorship. Then again, there is another side of me that says Trump will do whatever he wants without any thought as to where it is legal or not. By the way, when Sessions announced his zero tolerance policy, I heard him use the term “unlawful” about immigrants. I don’t know if you read or remember when I blogged about the terms “unlawful” vs. “illegal” but I believe that Sessions understood exactly what he was saying.

        Look at how Trump’s Executive Orders and policies have resulted in lawsuits. His administration doesn’t recognize the separation of powers.

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        • crustyolemothman

          Dear Xena,. One difficult problem for the Democrats at this juncture is they have no real spokes person, or even any semblance of a strong leader to take control and run for the office. To

          You are correct about Ford. One thing that most people are not considering about Pence is that he was not just placed in the position by chance, he was selected by the Evangelical block of the GOP, IMO with the thought that King Donnie would be such a poor administrator that he would be removed and allowing Pence to take the reins of the Government. Even if we do not approve of Pence the American Taliban does, and say what you wish, they do carry a lot of weight at the ballot box, and he would be extremely difficult to defeat. One difficult problem for the Democrats at this juncture is they have no real spokes person, or even any semblance of a strong leader to take control and run for the office. To complicate matters even more we have Bernie clogging up the tubes by continuing to push for the nomination. While I and millions of other people like some of what he says, in this nation to accomplish his goals would be impossible, and thus he is unelectable. While the Russian influence did factor into the end results in the last election, look at the actual vote, and you will discover that it was Bernie’s supporters, and a poor campaign on the part of Hillary, that caused the Democrats to lose. The Bernie supporters that chose to simply not vote, added to those that split off and voted for independent candidates plus those that wrote in Bernie on the ballot was more than enough to ensure the loss for the Democrats. However, if King Donnie remains in the office, tho somewhat neutered, it is most likely that he will have alienated enough of the GOPTP voters to reduce his chances of winning to virtually zero. Am I wrong, perhaps, but I was told prior to the last election that I was crazy when I attempted to tell people that we were making a political mistake with some of the causes (however valid they were) we were supporting so vocally at the time. As I predicted, we awoke the sleeping racist faction that was lurking just under the surface in the great American evangelical cartel… Will we learn from the past and run on a positive message, or will we lose by simply running on our hatred for all things attached to King Donnie? The Democrats have very little time to decide and start correcting the errors of the past or history will repeat in more way than we desire…

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          • Mothman,
            Re:

            “One difficult problem for the Democrats at this juncture is they have no real spokes person, or even any semblance of a strong leader to take control and run for the office.”

            I’ve noticed the same thing. With so much going on with this administration, Democrats waiting until 2019 to address the issues is too late. People need to know now. Coming forth now might also get ahead of the Russian interference in 2019.

            I looked up “GOPTP” including in the urban dictionary and can’t find a definition for it.

            Regarding Bernie, I voted for him in the primary. Hillary’s behavior during the 2008 campaign still left a bad taste in my mouth. People can forgive and disregard some things as just being politics when it comes to individuals, but when they run for the same office again, they remind people what they were like then. Also, there are Americans who have not forgotten what happened the last time a family member/relative was voted president, (Bush). Having Hillary in the White House was seen as the same as having Bill Clinton back in the office of president.

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            • crustyolemothman

              GOPTP or Republican and Tea Party! Sorry my bad, I should have told you, whoops…

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            • Mothman,
              Thanks for the meaning. This is an issue where I bring out the soapbox. 🙂 It’s not directed at you — just my venting.

              In 2012 when I came to the internet, I saw the use of acronyms and nicknames in discussions of the Zimmerman case. Even on this blog, there were people unable to follow discussions because they did not know what certain acronyms and nicknames meant.

              There are times I go on Twitter and see hashtags that are acronyms, but have no idea what they mean. There are also times I read tweets that use nicknames and such, and I do not know what or who the people are referring to. I’m pretty sure that those who have regularly participated in the topics on certain social media know what they mean, but it doesn’t help others. Funny thing — for years when I heard “left-wing”, I thought people were talking about left-handed persons.

              Now, I read things about “Evangelicals”. For those who are and have been involved in various Christian denominations, “Evangelical” is an actual denomination with specific doctrines. They were thought of as churches that brought you in, have you make a confession of faith, and then left you to find another church to grow. However, I’ve gotten the impression that those presently using “Evangelicals” are referring to all Protestants. The meaning of “Evangelical” has apparently morphed over the years. Those who are not aware might not hear the actual message because they have been offended at given the impression that those using the term are God-haters. It’s taken me time to actually read content to understand that people are using the same description for “Evangelicals” that Jesus used when addressing the “Pharisees.” People in church who read their Bible know what a “Pharisee” is. Often I think, be like Jesus — refer to hypocritical theists as Pharisees. At least then, those who are not Pharisees won’t be offended out of the starting gate.

              We have certainly become Babylon in America and in the original Babylon, the people were divided because of differences in language.

              When the internet first became a consumer product, ISP’s charged by the hour, so using acronyms became customary. I remember having a friend tell me about a text message shortly after that feature started on cell phones, and it sounded like a foreign language. Things have changed today with new people coming on social media and others like me who tend to scroll beyond or not read things that are written in cyber-language. If they are to understand what it being said, we need a clear sound of the trumpet that all will understand.

              (Off the soapbox, at least for now.)

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            • crustyolemothman

              Dear Xena,

              I take no offense at all, you are often far wiser than I could ever hope to be. One of the terms that has become very much in use in the last several years is “evangelical”, I suspect that I and others have used it simply because it is how these folks have self described in their own posts. It would be extremely difficult to fabricate another term for them that would describe them as they are seen by many people, I refuse to use some of the more vulgar terms that have been used about this group of people recently as IMO that language is not acceptable… I do however understand your position, and on your site I shall refrain from using the term. It may take a little creative thinking on my part to come up with a term that is acceptable but I shall strive to do so…

              Thank you for your constructive criticism… Have a great evening!

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            • Mothman,
              You don’t have to worry about using that term on this blog because I understand the context and your intent. When I first saw an article associating Evangelicals with Trump, I was puzzled and a bit offended. I fellowship with the frozen chosen and know Evangelicals, all White people, and none of them are Trump supporters. In talking to them, I realized that they were missing out on good writing because they thought the article was insulting them.

              Certain terms have gone through evolution in the last several decades or so. At one time, “racist” only applied to people in authoritative or decision making positions whose racial bigotry had a negative effect on minorities. Remember Archie Bunker? In the 70’s, he was called a “bigot”. Now, bigots are called racists.

              Thanks for your understanding.

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  3. Two sides to a story

    An international tragedy of epic proportions, all engineered unnecessarily through fear politics, fake news, and racism.

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    • Two sides,
      Trump aims to spread his ideology of a superior race. Trump and his administration know what was done in history, and how to repeat it. They know how to create certain conditions, and how it then serves to sanction government atrocities. And, they know how to appeal to those who hate other people more than they love freedom.

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  4. This is neither a Trump nor a Trump administration policy. The claim that this is a Trump policy is constitutionally impossible.

    “The Constitution gives Congress the primary, if not exclusive, authority to set immigration policy.”

    Hawaii v. Trump (9th Cir. 2017) 878 F.3d 662, cert. granted (2018) 138 S.Ct. 923 [199 L.Ed.2d 620]

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    • What makes this so sad is that Jeff Sessions did not go before Congress to consider and legislate his “policy”. It’s a “policy”. Sessions announced it as a “policy” to enforce the law, but if it was already a law then no “policy” would be necessary. And, if it were law, then it could not be repealed by Executive Order like Trump did yesterday.

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    • crustyolemothman

      It would seem that our Republican congress has relinquished their roll as a legislative body to King Donnie for his use as he see’s fit! They have failed to follow the balance of government as set out by the founding fathers and thus we the citizens of this nation will suffer until the congress takes back their authority and performs the function that was intended..

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  5. I didn’t know about the psychological ramifications by separating families, but it makes so much sense and I shouldn’t be surprised.

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    • Ospreyshire,
      The first psychological effect is the idea given to children that their parents cannot help them. When parents have no power, it leaves scars in the minds of children because who is suppose to protect them? What adults should they trust? There is grief in those situations, and grief begins with the feelings of guilt. Professional counselors see that in divorces where children first believe their parents parted ways because of something they did. Professionals think that grief has 5 stages, but the separation of children from parents also includes abandonment which separately has 5 stages.

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      • Wow, I didn’t realize how deep the damage could be on a psychological level.

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        • Ospreyshire,
          Oh yes. Abandonment issues can be repeated for generations. Then the government, who sanctioned separation of children from parents, uses the psychological effects to demonize the group of people by profiling them. They did it to slaves and Native Americans. It’s a well tested strategy.

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          • Gotcha. That was an important reminder going back to the slave trade and the displacement of the Native Americans. It’s no wonder there’s a feeling of self-loathing and feeling demonized. The sad part is that the media then and now continues the cycle of abuse whether by news or entertainment as the masses cheer the oppressors. Seriously, if they did the same thing to European illegal immigrants in America with anchor babies, there would be riots and laws would be passed.

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