The NFL and the Problem of Patriotism versus Nationalism

This deserves repeating;

“Frederick Douglass wrote: “Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter one’s thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. It is the right which they first of all strike down. They know its power. Thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers, founded in injustice and wrong, are sure to tremble, if men are allowed to reason… Equally clear is the right to hear. To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker.”

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I thought that the controversy over the peaceful demonstrations of athletes kneeling during the National Anthem to protest racial prejudice and violence committed against African Americans and other people was beginning to die down. That was before today when Vice President Mike Pence traveled to Indianapolis allegedly to watch a football came and see former Indianapolis Colt’s quarterback Peyton Manning be honored by the team. Instead, taking his orders from President Trump, the Vice President traveled to the game and walked out when members of the San Francisco 49ers knelt during the National Anthem. Thereafter the Vice President and the President went to Twitter to castigate the players and using taxpayer money, in this case over $200,000 to make their point, condemning the protesting players as being disrespectful to the flag and to the military. As labor leader Eugene Debs noted in 1918: ““In every…

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Posted on 10/09/2017, in civil rights, politics, Uncategorized and tagged , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 9 Comments.

  1. “Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism.” Sadly I fear that the vast majority of Americans do not know the difference.”

    This ^^ – Relevant especially in today’s world

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  2. Dear Xena and friends,

    The president is fomenting culture wars. His base loves this. The vast majority of Americans don’t want to be a divided nation.

    Why on earth would an Administration condone limiting birth control pills to poor women? I am sick of this culture warfare which has nothing to do with being patriotic. It is SICK!

    Hugs, Gronda

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    • Gronda,
      I have some opinions about the denial of birth control. An unplanned pregnancy for any woman, regardless of financial status, can be life changing. Depending on her support network, her education and career goals might be hindered if not all the way stopped. That’s on the mom’s side of the coin. On the father’s side of the coin is another seed planted to take root.

      For poor, unwed fathers, there is the issue of court ordered child support. Don’t pay, then there’s the issue of contempt of court. Contempt of court leads to suspended driver’s licenses and might also result in jail. It makes it as humanely difficult as possible to obtain and retain gainful employment.

      Shall we venture into the life of a child from infancy who is born under these conditions?

      In other words, everything has a rooted agenda. The results might not be seen until the tree bares fruit. But I have news for Trump. A good number of poor moms are not minorities.. He forgets, if he ever knew, that the argument in support of abortion did not come from minorities, but the families who could afford illegal abortions and whose loved one died from them. They had no redress for illegal procedures.

      Just as the bar was raised on education, resulting in people of all races facing student debt, the denial of birth control could very well effect the poor and minorities on a larger scale, but it trickles down to others.

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  3. as a viet nam era veteran the oath i took was to the constitution NOT a flag or anthem nor any pledge in fact reading the founders thoughts show they OPPOSED those things…..LIBERTY was their goal NOT patriotism and nationalism…self governing individuals.

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    • Bill,
      Thanks for a wonderful comment.

      I never thought of the national anthem being supportive for the country. It’s a song about a battle. America the Beautiful seemed more likely as a song with lyrics of appreciation.

      Your statement about liberty being the goal and self-governing individuals reminds me of a lesson in a college class where we discussed the differences between a republic and a democracy. The pledge to a “republic” certainly supports that the U.S. is suppose to be established on self-governing individuals.

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  4. AAAhhhh. I get so tired. I like coming here, and I like being here. I love the people here. – But I get weary of us talking, sympathizing, and basically venting to like-minded evolved people. What do we do to SOLVE the issues we address? For the most part, we talk some more.

    Here is an idea to do some actual good. It stems from a saying my mother spoke and I never un-heard: If a problem has a single neck, the solution is simple. She was right. If we have a dozen urgent problems and they are connected by only one neck; cut it.

    Our problem right now is that the officials in charge are acting against the interests of the general public. Clear. Got it.

    Get rid of them. Here’s how: We ALL know people who Did not/Do not vote, members of our own families, in fact. Invest the time and effort to take 3 or 5 to register.

    Yes, there will be hoops to jump through. Jump! Then, on election day, take them to the polling stations. Yes, parking is a bear. — and — Three votes “won’t make a difference”. — and — I’m tired! — “The game is on TV”. — WHATEVER!

    If we just DO IT, we get to wake up to a whole new reality. We have rescued our country (and possibly the world!), from disaster — And they never saw it coming.

    Anyway, I’m on it. Is anybody else up for this?

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    • I totally agree. People should also become more involved in their local elections.

      One of the things I’ve noticed with politicians is that their platforms are generally based on the taking an opposite position on the platforms of their challengers. Very few of the issues are those where citizens take interest. Others are issues that were actually resolved by the SCOTUS decades ago, if not longer.

      I listened as much as possible to our local candidates. It’s rather difficult when the public does not know of public meetings beforehand. The media only seems to report what happened, and in summary fashion. Anyway, the issues addressed by mayoral candidates were, in my opinion, smoke and mirrors. Once the candidate expected to be ahead because of the political party says something, challengers pick that up and the real issues effecting citizens are never addressed. I would like to see people become more involved in writing candidates and making sure that their concerns are addressed.

      Regarding the NFL and protesting, Trump has attacked the very right of the First Amendment, promoting punishment for those exercising their constitutional right. Each coach or owner who threatens to bench or even fire a player for not standing during the national anthem is an accomplice in violating the constitution. Players who make the choice to continue protesting should maybe take two knees — one for the constitutional promises not met, and the other for the constitutional violation of silencing them.

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  5. .
    I listened as much as possible to our local candidates.

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