Open Discussion – Updates and Other News

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There’s a lot of news and rather than writing separate posts, here are some summaries.

Hat tip to chuquestaquenumber1 for the following;


Trenton Forster mugshot

Trenton Forster, 18-years old, has been charged with first degree murder for shooting death of St. Louis County police officer Blake Snyder.  Officer Snyder was 33-years old, a husband and father of a 2-year old boy.   Officer Snyder was shot at point blank range.

Forster is a high-school drop-out with a pending felony marijuana charge.  More on this at

R.I.P. Officer Snyder.  Our condolences to your family and friends.

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Independent autopsy of Keith Lamont Scott shows 3 gunshot wounds to his left upper back, left lower abdomen, and left wrist. He suffered fractures in his ribs and vertebrae. Scott was fatally shot on Sept. 20 by a Charlotte police officer.  The independent autopsy was requested by Scott’s wife, Rakeyia Scott, on Sept. 29 and performed the next day.

Charles Monnett, one of the attorneys representing the Scott family, said the Scott family “was forced” to request the independent autopsy because the Mecklenburg County Medical Examiner’s Office in Charlotte “refused to release even the most basic information.”  ABC News has more on this.

We reported on the killing of Keith Lamont Scott on September 24, 2016.  If you are unfamiliar with the story, it’s here.

Charlotte police has released more video.  It is graphic, after Keith was shot and shows him dying while handcuffed/tied like a hunted animal.

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Donald Trump Pulls Out Of Battleground State Virginia

Donald Trump’s campaign is “pulling out of Virginia”.  NBC reports that the move to pull out of Virginia shows Trump is “running essentially a four state campaign,” with the focus now shifting to battlegrounds critical to his chances in November: Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio, a source with knowledge of the decision told NBC News.”

Meanwhile, 4 women have come forth saying that Trump touched them inappropriately.  More at NBC News.

Our Racerrodig is keeping a running list of Trump quotes.   Check it out.

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Trial for two former New Mexico police officers, Keith Sandy and Dominique Perez, who were charged in the death of homeless man ended in a hung jury.   NBC reports that the jury was hopelessly deadlocked.  Keith Sandy and Dominique Perez were charged with the killing of James Boyd in 2014.  Sandy shot Boyd twice in the arms, and Perez shot him in the back. After Boyd was on the ground fatally wounded, he was shot with bean bags and a K-9 was sent in and chewed on his legs.

The judge took voluntarily manslaughter off the table, leaving the jury to find guilt or acquit on the charge of second-degree murder.

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Crenshanda Williams, a 911 Houston Call Center operator, has been arrested and charged for hanging up on what could be thousands of emergency callers.  CNN describes two incidents, one that involved a  robbery and death where Williams had hung-up on the caller twice.

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18-year old William Chapman

Stephen Rankin, a former Portsmouth, Virginia cop, was sentenced on Wednesday to 2 years, 6 months in prison after being convicted of voluntary manslaughter for fatally shooting an unarmed teenager William Chapman II.  The guilty verdict came in  Rankin’s defense team plans on filing an appeal and expects it to take more than a year.  The judge denied allowing Rankin to be free on bail while awaiting decision on appeal.  He has started his sentence.  More at Pilot News.

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Actor Tommy Ford is dead at the age of 52.  He died from a ruptured aneurysm in his abdomen.   More on this at USMagazine.

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Maricopa County Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been charged with criminal contempt of court by federal prosecutors.  The contempt alleges that Arpaio violated a judge’s order to stop immigration patrols that led to the court finding of racial profiling.  NPR has more.

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What’s On Your Mind?

Posted on 10/13/2016, in Cases, Keith Lamont Scott, open discussion, Potpourri and tagged , , , , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 61 Comments.

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  2. i can’t watch anymore right now, but for the 6-7mins, they never call him his name.
    They’re asking him his name for the camera’s benefit. Are they feigning concern for his well being by trying to get him to say his name or do they still have no clue because they didn’t bother listening to a single thing his wife said, not even his name?

    I’m trembling watching him being treated like that. His murderers are CYA & groping him instead of allowing him dignity & comfort by having his wife next to him in his last moments.
    This is literally sick & depraved. I can’t stand it.

    Here’s his lawyer.

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    • no question the first shot was to his back the video shows him TURNING to his left which made the next 2 shots hit his left wrist and left side abdomen, clearly the result of him turning towards where the shots were fired.

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    • This is an amazingly timed video, how do you do it. The good old days, this
      neeeeevvveeeerrr happened. Just because it didn’t happen to you doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

      I think the writing on the staircase should be on every staircase and maybe…..just maybe it will finally sink in.

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      • Racer,
        I agree about the staircase. I really like it and use it quite often. Yeah — “good old days.” I just might put that in a separate post all by itself after the next/last debate. Although, I did read where someone said Trump might not do the debate.

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        • I read he wasn’t going to attend because, according to him, the debate is rigged, well, everything is rigged against him, then someone in his camp said he was, then again today a media outlet said he isn’t.

          What do we call that…………………

          A Sore Loser……..just sayin’

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    • yahtzeebutterfly

      Well, there you have it.

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    • Exactly. Instead of making America great “again,” how about working to make it greater than it’s ever been? And that staircase is where it starts.

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      • I would bet the farm if someone asked the Donald if he thought the staircase was a means to get people on board, there would be no yes or no answer. I fact, it would be, well since the system is rigged against him, and he has a bad mic, and the teleprompter isn’t working, and Bill Clinton wasn’t prosecuted……..

        …………………get my drift ??

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    • WOW! I don’t know how you do it either. Lord help us all. Thanks for the video. Great! But sad. Very sickening.


  3. NavyDad0007

    SMH I have No words.

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    • chuquestaquenumber1

      True. You’d think there would be more outrage. These 2 are not only charged with raping a cop. They’re suspected serial rapists. Let’s remember 2016 is the year of lenient treatment for the white rapist. I say this because you have males like Brock Turner,John Enochs,Kevin Fifeld,David Becker,Kraigen Grooms,Austin Wilkerson,Chester Thompson etc.admitting to or being convicted of rape and getting 3 mos to no prison time. It could be the lenient treatment of these rapists that emboldened William Luth and Brady Newman Caddell to go on their suspected rape spree.

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      • Chuquest,
        In my opinion, I think prosecutors don’t have proper training to proceed on rape cases because they forget that rape is not about sex. It’s about power. It’s about violation of another human. They are prosecuting the cases as if the defendants are men entitled to sex but deprived because of rejection by women. So it goes back to making it women’s fault.

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  6. Now if he’d pull out of the country… I’m afraid of his rabid followers. His concession speech will be loaded with the following words: rigged, cheated, again us,criminal, lies… Would you think any less?

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    • In the 1st debate, both were asked if they would accept defeat. the Donald hemmed and hawed then stated we’ll see, we’ll see what happens and as I recall made insinuations to the effect there will be hell to pay, very similar to him inciting “..the Second Amendment people…(spelled psycho gun nutzz) to take matters into their own hands.

      This is inciting an assassination attempt, plain & simple.

      Herr Donald actually had the nerve to get people at a rally the other day to chant “Seig Donald” I can find it I’m sure.

      Scared for this country, absolutely. This is the most important presidential election in our time, possibly in US history.

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    • This is a good listen. Go to the end to hear Keith’s feeling on the Donald as you stated.

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    • Here is a follow up as to what the Donald will do when he loses next month. It has the “..we’ll see..” I mentioned at 9:21.

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  7. Another section of Trump and his “good old days.” Which brings me to something. Trump says the 2005 tape of him talking about kissing women without their consent and grabbing their private parts must be “in the good old days” that he wants back.

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    • At the beginning, he’s like a football coach at a pep rally…..”we havin’ a good time”

      He’s a “Law abuser And something on the Order of an asshole as a for a Candidate”

      Which is abbreviated as “Law and Order Candidate”

      Hell…….CREEP was the “Committee to re – elect the President” which was Nixon,who we all know was “..not a crook”

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  8. These are crazy times we are living in.

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    • yahtzeebutterfly


      You can say that again!

      Have you seen this video?

      It’s a good pep talk to keep us going when we see so much suffering at the same time as seeing indifference/ineffectiveness of those in power who could help fix things, etc.

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  9. yahtzeebutterfly

    Rep. John Lewis thanks FLOTUS:

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    • The epitome of class !!

      We need to take The Presidents, The First Ladies, Hillary’s speech points and compare them to the Donald’s topic by topic.That would be a long video.

      I believe we’d deplete the countries supply of Pepto –

      I believe The FLOTUS could be the POTUS in 8 years. Maybe that would force all those race baiting hate mongers to move out of the country.

      Her entire 24:13 speech is Fabulous. No BS, no Rhetoric, no inciting, no name calling, pure class and nothing but facts and information.

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  10. chuquestaquenumber1

    Condolences to the family of Thomas Mikal Ford. A shocker. Condolences also to the family of DA Ken Thompson who announced he had cancer and was going to beat it only to die 5 days later. Akai Gurley case was bad. Lets remember his good work. Freeing and vacating the convictions of 17-21 people unjustly framed and imprisoned for murder. Non prosecuting low level marijuana offenses. Giving amnesty to 100s of people with outstanding warrants. Lets hope his successor continues this good work. Keith Lamont Scott black male from North Carolina shot and killed by cops. Conflicting reports on whether he had a gun or a book in his hand. However,Let’s look at someone we definitely know pointed 2 firearms at North Carolina law enforcement. William Bruce Ray.

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  11. yahtzeebutterfly

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  12. Florida Supreme Court says Florida’s new death penalty statute is unconstitutional.

    “Just seven months after Florida revamped its death penalty law, the state’s Supreme Court struck down the new statute as unconstitutional because it does not require juries to be unanimous about handing down the sentences.”

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  14. yahtzeebutterfly

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  15. chuquestaquenumber1

    As I stated in an earlier post 2016 is the year of lenient treatment for the white rapist.This is the most heinous rape case I’ve read so far. The outcome of this crime is equally heinous.

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    • This has to be a joke. Does this mean if his daughter off’s him she gets no time. How on God’s green earth is this possible ?

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  16. Soooooooo……this week has had these Trump “highlights” in no particular order and my take. Everyone who has something to say……feel free.

    1) At a speech, apparently, but with no proof, the teleprompters stopped working. Donald knocks the one to his right over and disassembles the other one. Then tells the crowd he’s not paying for their use.

    The question is this How do you handle this situation. Well…..anyone with an once of class ignores it and makes no issue. You continue on. No…..the Donald makes an issue because everything is rigged against HIM…..and he also stated they are junk or to the effect.

    2) Trump called the women who say he sexually assaulted as “…sick..” “…horrible…” “…horrible people…” “…liars…” then added and I quote hi entirely ……
    ““Believe me, she would not be my first choice, that I can tell you,” when talking about having sex with Jessica Leeds”

    So once again, he disparages a woman’s looks, after being called out on felonies…….in a speech…….during a Presidential campaign…

    Think about what he said “….first choice…” he has admitted he was looking for victims and she was at least “there” not his first choice, but hey, just words, well…..I won’t use the barroom term.

    3) “Hillary Clinton attacked those same women and attacked them viciously,” Uhhhhh, no, these women just stated what happened this week !!!!! Hillary hasn’t said a word about them other than well, there ya go kind of thing.

    4) Trump said “Bill Clinton was not criminally charged in the case rape accusations, denied sexual assault allegations and admitted no wrongdoing in another case.”

    As far as Lewinski, she and she alone would have to press charges. She was a willing participant to anything between them. So once again, the Donald (a) doesn’t know the law (b) he’s changing the subject (c) Saying Hillary is the root of all evil because of her husband. For the record, Bill was wrong in my opinion BUT that’s between the Clinton’s for God’s sake.

    5) the Donald, referring to the last debate…”When she walked in front of me, believe me, I wasn’t impressed,” then said………………..
    “But she walks in front of me, and she takes a question, and then she walked back. And that was the end of that, no problem. Then she said the next day I invaded her space. Give me a break.”

    It was not clear what he meant by the remarks stated NBC News

    Okay…….she was asked a question and anybody who watched, and can still find on the internet, saw her walk to the right, field the question and the the Donald walked behind her. Is he taking the “any exposure is good exposure” line of thinking, or was he trying to intimidate her. I say its 20/80 in the order listed. When you factor in the stupid facial expressions……well…that speaks for itself.

    6) In another interview he stated “Of one of the women — it was not clear which — Trump said”: “When you looked at that horrible woman last night you said I don’t think so. I don’t think so.”

    Again, he’s saying “any port in a storm” but I have such great taste in women, well look at my wives….all of them, oh and I’d be banging my daughter because “she’s a piece of ass” which he factually said. Actually, his current wife is not a US citizen…..Hmmmm, could that get him deported if he’s elected ??

    Moving on…………..

    7) “Obama is an incompetent. He is an incompetent president. He doesn’t know what he’s doing… why doesn’t some woman maybe come up and say what they say falsely about me they could say about him?” said Trump.

    Lets look at that one. My opinion is NOT fact. It’s like saying Red is the best color because it’s racers favorite. Every race car I’ve owned is Red and White or Red, White and Blue. Now, what FACTS say our President is incompetent ????

    I believe, as he does imploring the “2nd Amendment people” (to assassinate Hillary) he’s trying to get some woman to come forward and make a sexual allegation against THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES !!!!! Where’s my blood pressure pills…..

    “They could say it about anybody. They could say it about anybody. He better be careful because they could say it about anybody.”

    Well……there ya go. I’ll tell ya what. Say it about me…….’cuz I’m “anybody” Nothing like being redundant either. He’s says the same thing 3 times.

    8) Trump, in what appeared to be an attempt to paint the accusers that have spoken out as a result of the “biased” media, also unveiled a new line of attack. He invoked Carlos Slim, a businessman and shareholder in the New York Times.

    “He comes from Mexico,” Trump said. “He’s given many millions of dollars to the Clintons and their initiative… We are not going to let foreign corporations and their CEO decides the outcome.”

    Okay…..”He come’s from Mexico” He’s also now a US Citizen. Again, and I cannot stress this enough, the Donald is totally ignorant of the Law.

    Nowhere will the Donald mention his foray into Cuban financial dealings. So now a “foreign corporation” and “…their CEO..” will affect this election how ?? Okay Donald, be specific.

    9) And once again he incited violence at a speech this week.

    Interspersed through the crowd were a few protesters; at one point a Trump supporter put a protester in a headlock.” reported several news agencies.

    Yep…..that’s the answer.

    10) But the best one, an all time show stopper, is the Donald telling everyone to register to vote. He stated they are doing a great job in FL (Factual Polls show he’s losing FL, unless Zimmerman votes 30,000 times) So Get out and register…..and vote on November 28th !!

    I kid you not……the Republican party has nominated a guy who said vote on
    November 28 th

    11) He stated that all of these allegations will just be an asterisk in history since he’ll be the greatest President in world history.

    Nooooooo, the Donald will be an asterisk in history. Most people can’t name won lost a Presidential election in almost any given year. Trump will be remembered as the worst candidate ever. If he’s elected, the populations of Canada, Mexico, England, France, Brazil, some islands in the Caribbean, Germany, Argentina, Peru, and we’re we plan on moving, Australia, will increase significantly.

    12) Gloria Allred, who needs no introduction, has been retained by Summer Zervos, a former “Apprentice” contestant who the Donald sexually assaulted. I have not read anymore than that, but they did a press conference yesterday, so I’ll catch up on that.

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  17. yahtzeebutterfly


    • On that topic, that is, “The Trump Militia” I found some really good stuff….

      (Name deleted by racer)
      16 hours ago

      “I’m a gun owner. I have a CCW. I’ve been a firearms instructor. So this isn’t exactly an Everytown for Gun Safety post….

      At its very best open carry is intimidation and an implicit threat of violence. It’s a clear statement. “I can kill you right now. There’s nothing you can do about it. Do what I want or I just might shoot you.” It’s a short step away from terrorism.

      This is terrorism, the threat of illegal violence for political ends.”

      Then this response from “Colorado” who has some vile posts

      14 hours ago

      @dbarrdolan @Colorado Yes, one trigger pull. Violence isn’t violence…until there is violence. There is no inherent threat in having a gun on your hip. It’s a non-violent protest. Just because you don’t think people should be able to exercise the “bear” part of the 2nd amendment, doesn’t mean you can stifle their 1st amendment right to peaceably assemble.”

      Let me see about this “……There is no inherent threat in having a gun on your hip. It’s a non-violent protest. …..”

      The only reason someone goes to an adversaries place WITH A GUN, is to enforce their will by the THREAT of violence.

      Another Thrumpeteer

      “Patrick Smuthe
      12 hours ago

      “Are you serious? Openly carrying a firearm does not carry with it an implicit threat of violence? What the hell is wrong with you?”

      Really… then you’re what…….a ‘fraidycat….

      And further on…………

      13 hours ago

      @anuran Except that our Constitution doesn’t JUST provide for the right to own arms, but also to BEAR them. ”

      Which was responded to by some common sense….

      5 hours ago

      @Parakletos @anuran Where was the “well-regulated militia” in this instance? read the whole Amendment again.”

      Bravo !!!

      More bizarre Gun NutZZ stuff from the same source…

      5 hours ago

      @anuran Open carry thwarts crime. No gun zones are perfect opportunities for crazies to kill people without being stopped. Everybody behaves very nicely around open carry. Don’t forget, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution make the USA exceptional in the history of civilization and give citizens protection against tyranny. Trump will support the Constitution. Hillary, Obama and the Democrats hate it. Be proud to be an American.

      What a stupid assertion: ‘open carry is terrorism.’ Terrorism is flying planes into buildings or blowing up people at marathons or train stations.

      Also, I’ll point out that open carry requires guts, because if someone is determined to commit a crime, the criminal will target the armed persons first. Also they have to face irrational hostility from liberals and others uninformed about our 2nd Amendment rights.”

      Did I read this right….everyone here seems to have exceptional common sense so let me start with……

      “….Open carry thwarts crime.” Not according the the Uniform Crime Report.

      “… Everybody behaves very nicely around open carry.” Really…….Prove please and be very specific. I’ll drop this on you…..

      “Earlier in the year a gent w/a gun was standing watch at a Planned Parenthood (?) and apparently got bored,; he started playing with his gun and it “accidentally” went off.

      This frivolous macho bs is all cute & fun until it accidentally becomes serious.” (same source)

      “Trump will support the Constitution.” A hahahahahahaha…….he doesn’t even know the Constitution…..Good Lord, he told his followers to get out and vote on November 28th…… He’s is totally ignorant when it comes to The Law. He even made up a new statute in a speech awhile ago when he was talking about suing someone. He was told there is no law against that and he said “I’ll make one”

      “Also, I’ll point out that open carry requires guts…” Bulllllllshitttttt. It’s a coward who does that, come off it”

      And another jewel of intelligence from the same guy…

      “Also they have to face irrational hostility from liberals and others uninformed about our 2nd Amendment rights.”

      “..irrational…” really……the only thing missing from this guy is him calling us “Libtards” like they usually do.

      Now from the same source, another voice of reason…..

      15 minutes ago

      @sklaminski @anuran a guy with an armed weapon where none is needed is a threat because you have no idea if he’s an aggressive fruit cake ready to blow up at any instant. Pardon your ignorance on this matter but people with families to care for are fed up. Have your gun and go to a place and practice with your like minded buddies, go hunting. but quit bringing guns to McDonalds, coffee shops and grocery stores. people are getting accidentally injured and killed by careless gun owners”

      From that point on, the Trumpeteer’s disappeared. There are posts like this, so I’m not the only fed up with him, well… and 85% of the country.

      “Til Tuesday
      17 hours ago

      I have said all along that Trump reminds me of a certain firebrand from 1930’s Germany. He talks in apocalyptic terms, he claims there is a world-wide “cabal” that’s conspiring against him, he continually presents a list of grievances being imposed on America, he declares himself as the only person capable of restoring the nation to greatness, he winks and nods at his followers engaging in violence, he lies with a brazenness that’s mind boggling, he delegitimizes the election process as “rigged against him”, and he says if he doesn’t win that it was stolen from him.

      We dare not ignore the gathering storm. Please vote. Vote early if you can. Vote by absentee if you have to. Don’t stay home. Don’t think someone else will vote. Don’t think because you live in a “red” state that your vote doesn’t matter. Mark your phone calendar for Tuesday, November 8th to vote. Ignore the weather, ignore the long lines, ignore the hassle, and just do it.”

      Til Tuesday (note that the election is on a Tuesday) has it nailed. Whoever you are, stay with it…..

      I say it’s time to dedicate a song to the Donald and his bunch ‘o nutzz.

      I say “Crazy Train”

      Donald…………….I am FED UP WITH WHAT YOU REPRESENT!!!!! You and your bunch are setting this country back 300 years. Do NOT tell us you are the only one who can fix it. You couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel………as my grandfather used to say.

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  18. Hey everyone! Please forgive my absence. I’m working on putting a video together.

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  19. yahtzeebutterfly


  20. No matter where you stand, love him, hate him……don’t really care either way, ya gotta love Al Franken


  21. Opppps, wrong link. Xena, feel free to scrub that one……here is Al Franken’s thoughts

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  22. yahtzeebutterfly


    • Hmmmmmmmmm?? Lets just make stuff up, sure, why not, nobody’s watching anyway.

      Ye – ah……….


  23. yahtzeebutterfly

    ” #BlackoutBR Protests, Boycotts Continue in Baton Rouge over Alton Sterling Shooting”


  24. yahtzeebutterfly

    “This mural for Philando Castile is art born out of resistance”

    (There is a video in the article that tells about the artists who created the mural.)

    (I will use the reply button for this comment in order to show two close-ups of the mural.)


  25. chuquestaquenumber1
    • Chuquest,
      That person is sick. The article says she was also sentenced to 2 years of probation in addition to jail. Maybe she will get some mental health help.


  26. yahtzeebutterfly

    “Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton Town Hall Debate Cold Open – SNL ” (2nd debate)


    • “……hi girls” Pricele$$

      “…but I do like how generous he is, just last Friday, he handed me this election”

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