The Republican Debate and ISIS

635858096337010236-AP-GOP-2016-DebateOn Tuesday evening, I watched the Republican debate between those wanting to be nominated and elected as the next president of the United States. I could not help but wonder that if the killings had not happened in San Bernardino, would the main topic of the debate had been what the GOP candidates call “radical Islamic terrorists”? The main issue should have been gun control in America.

Before December 2, 2015 in San Bernardino, California where 14 people were killed and 22 injured, on October 1, 2015, Chris Harper Mercer killed 10 people and wounded 7 at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon.

Before July 16, 2015 when Mohammad Abdulazeez killed 4 Marines and a Navy sailor, on June 17, 2015, Dylan Roof attended a Bible class at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, SC, and killed 9 people.

Before the Boston Marathon bombing and subsequent related shootings on April 15, 2013, that killed 3 people and injured an estimated 264 others, on August 12, 2012, Wade Michael Page killed 6 people and wounded 4 others in a Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, WI. Page mistook the worshippers for Muslims.

Before what GOP candidates, including Marco Rubio, call “radical Islamic terrorist” used guns to take innocent lives on American soil, on December 14, 2012, there was Sandy Hook, where Adam Lanza killed his mother, 20 children and 6 adult staff members.

Before the pipe bombs associated with the acts of terrorists in San Bernardino, James Holmes booby-trapped his apartment with bombs. On July 20, 2012, Holmes walked into a movie theater in Aurora, CO where he killed 12 people and injured more than 70.

Before there was any public thought expressed by politicians regarding “radical Islamic terrorist” on American soil, on April 16, 2007, Seung-Hui Cho, a senior at Virginia Tech, killed 21 people and wounded 17 others.

Before September 11, 2001 when pilots used planes as bombs, on April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold walked into Columbine High School and killed 12 students, a teacher, and wounded 23 others.

Can politicians not understand that it is Americans who have given examples of mass killings to “radical Islamic terrorists”?

In many of the cases, it is reported that some of the perpetrators were persuaded by what they read on social media. Funny. I remember that before the internet, using religion to influence others to harm themselves and/or others was called a “cult.” Before the internet, California congressman Leo Ryan put together a delegation to visit Guyana. He and 4 others were shot down; 909 others, including 304 children were poisoned or shot. Jim Jones was not called a radical religious leader but rather, a cult leader.

Long before “radical Islamic terrorist” killed people on American soil, America had a history of suicidal people willing to kill themselves and others in the name of their religious beliefs. Why are we not using the word “cult” now? Because it does not directly target a religion, and some politicians and bigoted Americans need to direct their hatred towards Islam.  By directing it collectively towards Islam, it distracts from the fact that Americans do the same things to other Americans, and they do it using guns.  It is easier getting an automatic weapon in America than it is getting approved for a mortgage.

Freedom of speech may have influenced people to take positions of hate, but guns freely sold in America is what makes it possible for them to carry out their hatred. Politicians are missing the mark. America needs gun control.


Posted on 12/17/2015, in politics, Uncategorized and tagged , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 12 Comments.

  1. It seems you and I just had the same idea – on my watch and whirl blog ( I have 2) I just posted my thoughts as well. I’m just really glad none of these men can actually do anything about their absurdity or we’d be dropping bombs by this afternoon.

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    • American lives have more value when taken by foreigners.. Apparently..

      Over 355 mass shootings before San Bernandino by NON foreigners but NOW we suddenly need to worry about ‘radical Islamist’ Yeah, I don’t get this.

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      • crustyolemothman

        mindyme62, the republican/NRA owned politicians are sort of like my four legged child, I’m feeding a stray tom cat, and my dog would like to eat that cat, but if another dog comes around and messes with the cat, my dog would die to protect the cat… I know, it’s not fair to the canine community to compare them to the republican’s….


    • crustyolemothman

      Xena, you really did not expect them to mention their own reicht wing terrorist did you? New story out today that is worth reading, of course the political terrorists will simply ignore the fact that 10,000 +- of our citizens are dying due directly to their refusal to consider any sort of legislation that would possibly reduce that number!!


  3. yahtzeebutterfly

    We need our state and federal legislators to take up the gun issue if we as citizens are to feel safe. How can we justify citizens having military-grade automatic rifles?


  4. yahtzeebutterfly

    As a white member of our society, I would like to see the media and politicians recognize the proper language to use when describing what the Black community faces/experiences today and has experienced in the past.

    For example, Dylan Roof should be referred to as a terrorist who was radicalized by hatemongering White Supremacist types. Dylan Roof’s heinous murdering of the Emmanuel9 as an act of terrorism.

    The massacre of 400 Blacks in Tulsa in the 1920’s should be referred to as an act of terrorism in the history books.

    I could go on and on with examples from our past history.

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  5. Our republican reps have been using the talking point that our president is not a leader in the fight against ISIS. Yet, these same folks demonstrate their lack of courage and leadership when they did not close the loophole where people on the “Terror Watch List” or those in the “No Fly List” can legally purchase guns. Then they resist going on the record in doing their congressional job by authorizing the War against ISIS which the president has been requesting for months.


    • Hey Gronda!
      Is what the GOP doing called circular logic? There must be a descriptive term. What about sabotage of the President’s efforts? I heard someone say the other day that the GOP’s offers to destroy ISIS can only work if ISIS was in one location. We cannot bomb the entire world. The point you make about the watch and no fly list is very important.


      • The republicans are projecting their own lack of courage onto the president. But they sure can sound tough. Yes, our military can wipe out ISIS located in a particular area like Raqqa within a few months; however, they can just recruit, regroup and start again at another location.Defeating the ideology is not so easy.If we go into this area, we will be stuck for many more years in a no win situation.

        The republicans say they want to destroy ISIS but they cannot even confirm Adam Szubin for the position of locating and cutting off ISIS access to funding. He is the number one expert in this field. They are placing their hate for our president ahead of our national security.


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