Open Discussion – Dec. 2, 2014

Black butterflyCaterpillars, moths, butterflies, and all creatures great and small,

So many people are in the season with things to do, places to go, people to see.  Be safe.

Thanks to all new subscribers and those who have visited and “liked” this blog. You are an inspiration and I will pay it forward as soon as time permits.

For those blogs I follow, I’m somewhat behind in visiting.  I have this thing for wanting to actually read what you write, so it takes me awhile to make the rounds.

Which brings me to the subject of awards.  There are at least three that I need to accept and a few that require that I pay it forward to a specific number of other blogs. I always fear that I’m not acknowledging a blogger who deserves it.  There’s no shame in asking for what you want so if you would like to receive an award, just let me know.

News today includes a school bus crash in Knoxville, TN, a helicopter crash in Salt Lake City, and shots fired at Texas Southern University.

A person active on Twitter who is against racism, was deceptively setup by cyber-extortionists and terminated from her job.  She is asking for financial support while seeking employment.   http://www.gofundme.com/hp8ix4.  If you’re on Twitter, you can contact her at

I’m pretty sure there’s some good news out there somewhere — I just have to search for it.

Use this thread to discuss whatever is on your mind.

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Posted on 12/02/2014, in open discussion and tagged , , . Bookmark the permalink. 101 Comments.

  1. yahtzeebutterfly

    I’d like to share with all of you some videos of some great cops who know how to connect with the communities that they serve.

    In this first one 3 officers take part in a pick-up basketball game on the street with neighborhood kids:

    Next is an officer who connects in conversation with kids who are skateboarding:

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    • yahtzeebutterfly

      Here a policemen challenges neighborhood kids to a dance off:

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    • This is how the word is supposed to be !! I hope that little kid makes it big in the NBA !!

      So the cop didn’t skate, but the interaction is fabulous….

      So what if white men can’t jump……er dance…….

      All these cops rate overtime + !!

      I say if anyone has a cool personal cop incident / story, share it.

      My dad having been a cop….I have a few but the best 2 involve NJ State Police and my street racing days.

      From about 1975 to the late 70’s I was street racing my 65 Fastback Mustang (12.40’s 109 MPH) which was unbeatable in the day. I had a street race club back then of about 25 buddies or so and we raced in SJ and “Front Street” in Philly. One night our caravan was spotted by a “Statie” trying to get a race off between myself and an outsider in his bad ass 69 RoadRunner. Long story short, we went from spot to spot to spot and the same trooper would show up and we’d lame up some excuse as to why we were there.

      After 2 hours or so, he showed up again and finally asked who had the baddest car. All of my guys told him I was gonna kill this guy unless I broke………….so he bet $100.00 on me and flagged us off.

      If ya can’t stop ’em………….bet on ’em.

      We used to race on 676 in Camden before it was finished and one of our guys would stop under the Walt Whitman bridge overpass and put his 4 ways on if there were no cops. One night in mid race the 4 ways went off and he drove away as a State Trooper cut from one side to the other. I was at least 6 car lengths ahead and the trooper pulled up next to me, shined his spot light at me and then gave me a thumbs up, but I was slowing down so he could write me up.

      He floored it and after a short wait, I went on my way. The loser kept going and the trooper got him and gave him a handful of tickets simply because he took off. This guy came back to our hangout, a Jack in the Box burger place, and told us all about the cop ripping him more for not slowing down for him than anything. I did find out that in court the cop kind of lost his memory on all the events so the kid got a heavy fine and no points.

      I guess those cops were drag race fans……hey, who knows ??

      Yeah…..street racing was and is still illegal, but we never raced where there was traffic, which the cops appreciated.

      With all that we are reading about bad cops and them shooting and abusing, we do need to remember that in every profession there are good and bad. The bad make it hard for everyone.

      God I miss those power shifting days !!!!!!!

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      • Racer,
        I love your story! Thanks for sharing it.

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      • As a teen here in Jacksonville Florida, our meet up place was either Krystal’s on San Jaun or Pizza Inn on Lenox. We raced on Collins Rd with a spotter at the 1/4 mile mark who would flash his lights if a car was coming….Most of my friends drove Mopars, Challengers and ‘Cudas. I had a 71 Twister with a 318.. with ‘fat tires’ and Keystone Classic rims.. My first car.

        Good times, thanks for the reminder

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  2. Great post and great blog!

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  3. yahtzeebutterfly

    deray mckesson @deray · 10m 10 minutes ago
    “It’s crazy that they have the National Guard at the STL County Council Meeting. America. #Ferguson”

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  4. Hello! You are one of the first nominees of a new award — The Harmony & Peace Award. I am grateful for all you do to promote Harmony, Peace, Love, Beauty and Positivity in the world. Please pick up your award here: http://idealisticrebel.com/2014/12/02/the-harmony-peace-award/

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    • Barbara,
      Bless your heart. I was going to put time aside this week to accept some award nominations, so this comes at the just the right time. It’s truly an honor to receive recognition from other bloggers such as yourself. I love your spirit and am grateful for all you do to promote those things that better our world. Thank you so much. ((hugs))

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  5. Awesome videos!

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  6. yahtzeebutterfly

    Timeline challenged in Kendrick Johnson gym mat death
    November 20, 2014

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/timeline-challenged-in-kendrick-johnson-gym-mat-death/

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    • I feel so badly for his family. Knowing that someone has the information they seek but they can’t be questioned because their dad is an FBI agent.

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  7. butterflydreamer2

    To My Butterfly Family

    As love falls down from the sky,
    It lands on the wings of a butterfly.
    The butterfly sings it’s songs and rhymes,
    And flies through the air, No concept of time.
    It is the messenger of patience and change,
    From flower to flower, it’s odd and it’s strange.
    The butterfly can transform it’s world.
    And give way to new beginnings, unfurled,
    It is the keeper of transformation,
    And flies on faith and imagination.
    The butterfly has no fear of change,
    It bravely escapes it’s homemade cage.
    To change, it knows is necessary,
    For all the burdens we need not carry.
    The butterfly soars, and merrily sings,
    For, without change, it could never grow wings.

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  8. yahtzeebutterfly

    Michael Skolnik @MichaelSkolnik ·
    BREAKING. No indictment. Eric Garner.
    http://nyti.ms/11Va96f

    Michael Skolnik @MichaelSkolnik · 18m 18 minutes ago
    I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe. #EricGarner

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    • yahtzeebutterfly

      I am heartbroken for his family knowing that chokeholds by police are NOT allowed. I am sending prayers for his loved ones.

      I cannot imagine the emotions being felt right now by my fellow African American citizens across the country and the fears that they have for the safety of their children and loved ones.

      Hugs and tears for the Black community across the U.S.

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      • I don’t even understand why it had to go to a Grand Jury. The coroner ruled his death a homicide due to the choke hold, choke holds are illegal for the police to use, why wasn’t the officer charged right out.

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        • Towerflower,
          I thought the same about the illegal choke hold.

          Well, I suppose now we know that body cams won’t do much more than videos. “Caught on camera” only applies to non-deputized civilians that prosecutors want to charge.

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          • crustyolemothman

            Xena, Question, is the use of a choke hold in the state of New York illegal? When this case began I spent a bit of time looking for a definite law forbidding its use, however all I was able to determine was while not illegal, it was against the NYPD regulations for use in restraining subjects. IMO, while I think that Daniel Pantaleo was responsible for the death of Eric Garner, the only possible charge that he prosecutors could have brought would have been involuntary manslaughter, and I don’t think that he would have been able to successfully gained a conviction. The laws that apply to the law enforcement community are in dire need of a complete overhaul, until that happens we shall continue to have this type of problem… Justice is not based on emotion, it is based on the rule of law. If we want justice based on our standards, we must have the laws changed to reflect the rules we feel are needed, until then we are doomed to see a repeat of these deaths…

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            • Mothman,
              You asked is the use of a choke hold in the state of New York illegal?

              The Patrol Guide strictly forbids NYPD officers from using a choke hold to restrain suspects. That has been the rule for 20 years. I don’t have a copy of the “Patrol Guide” but the Washington Post article link below references it.

              http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/12/03/the-nypd-banned-chokeholds-20-years-ago-but-hundreds-of-complaints-are-still-being-filed/

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            • involuntary manslaughter is certainly not the only charge for pantaleo the choker, I see clear murder charges for knowingly using a banned chokehold that causes the victim to stop breathing! and not just for him, but for those 5-6 others that jumped on top of that man like a hive of angry bees, including the choker’s immediate supervisor who was there too! for all of them to attack him like that, treat him like that and choke him to DEATH in front of his supervisor proves that this wasn’t about the law he supposedly broke. this was a blatant disregard for the law and disrespect for human life and liberty!

              That cop has prior racial harassment accusations. not just ordinary harassment complaints, but RACIAL allegations that resulted in lawsuits. this guy getting in trouble for abusing ppl is not brand new. and since his abusive behavior went unchecked and unpunished they escalated to murder, just like zimmerman.

              That guy has an attitude and I see this sorta macho-type body language as he attacks Eric, i see a man trying to be a badass. he’s a big guy and he was gonna put Eric DOWN, and he wanted to do it himself. he wanted to put as much pain on Eric as he could and he wanted Eric to know it so bad that when he was forced to move his arm he jumped up and got in front of Eric’s face and crammed it into the pavement with his whole body weight.

              This is sickening & they ALL need to be charged with murder!

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            • Mothman,
              I did find a study conducted by the NYC Civilian Complaint Review Board about the use of the choke hold. It’s uploaded to the blog’s media files but I have not yet added it to “Documents” on the right border — will do so very soon.

              https://blackbutterfly7.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/ny-police-dept-chokehold-study.pdf

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          • crustyolemothman

            Xena,

            “The Patrol Guide strictly forbids NYPD officers from using a choke hold to restrain suspects. That has been the rule for 20 years.”

            Thank you for your reply. I was well aware that the use was against NYPD regulations, however as far as I have been able to find, there is no law against the use of it in the state laws. My question is, can that rule be used directly in seeking criminal charges, or can it only be used to amplify charges brought using an actual statute of the law? I really don’t think that any of us actually think that the present laws that apply to the use of force by the law enforcement community is working properly at this time, however until we as members of the society demand changes to those laws we will continue to see what we perceive as abuse by the police to the citizens that they “allegedly” serve…

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            • Mothman,

              I was well aware that the use was against NYPD regulations, however as far as I have been able to find, there is no law against the use of it in the state laws.

              Ahhh. But that would require a different set of laws for law enforcement than what applies to all citizens of the state. IMO, the logical question to ask is, if a person was choked and there is medical evidence, would the prosecutor make an arrest under the state laws for assault? If a person died from being choked, what laws apply?

              Choking is not an act of subduing. It is intended to cut off the flow of oxygen. It is intended to cause fear and alarm — not submission, because the person performing the choke hold has the physical power to continue the act until death. Choking directly conveys to the person being choked that they are being killed.

              I really don’t think that any of us actually think that the present laws that apply to the use of force by the law enforcement community is working properly at this time …

              What bothers me is that law enforcement sees the need to take human beings to the ground, press their heads into the ground, and lay on their backs, etc. before the person can hear and comprehend instructions. People are not robots operating by remote control. The wearing of bullet proof vests is a waste of time when cops use physical force and guns FIRST to “subdue” or fire first to purportedly stop a threat. We, the taxpayers, give them more and more tools to protect themselves, while they still kill unarmed citizens.

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            • crustyolemothman

              Xena, This case has exposed the dark underbelly of the allowed use of force in subduing suspects by the various law enforcement agencies. If my comprehension is correct the argument that the police used in this case was that it was not in fact the controversial choke hold that was used to restrain Mr. Garner, but was instead a commonly used tactic called a neck hold. I’m going to give a link to a law site that explains the various types of restraints and exposes the truth as to what can happen if the neck hold is done incorrectly. The other point that I personally find questionable, used by the officers was that Mr Garner was resisting arrest, IMO he was not so much resisting as refusing to be abused while being arrested. The use of “reasonable force” is in need of a more concise and less ambiguous definition. Perhaps I am asking for to much when I ask that both the suspect and the arresting officer be subject to laws that are easy to understand and comply with…

              http://www.aele.org/law/2013all12/2013-12MLJ101.pdf

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            • Mothman,

              Perhaps I am asking for to much when I ask that both the suspect and the arresting officer be subject to laws that are easy to understand and comply with…

              That’s not asking much at all. What I’ve seen on videos looks more like those football cartoons of cops piling up on one person rather than making an arrest. I don’t know why they all have to get physically involved once the person is on the ground. Knees in the back; knees on the neck; knees on the head, IMO, is inhumane.

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          • crustyolemothman

            shannoninmiami,

            “involuntary manslaughter is certainly not the only charge for pantaleo the choker, I see clear murder charges for knowingly using a banned chokehold that causes the victim to stop breathing!”

            While I agree with you on what should be able to happen, it seems that the local prosecutors office in NY City, has taken the stand that my attorney told me they would. According to what my attorney told me, the laws that apply to the police departments nation wide are so ambiguous and biased in favor of the officer, that it is virtually impossible to bring charges and if brought to get a conviction. He also is the one that told me the charge of involuntary manslaughter would be the only charge that was realistic to bring and even that would probably not see a conviction.. These laws are in bad need of change, but only the people of this nation working as a unified force can bring this about. I would hope we could see this happen, however because we are dealing with well financed political opposition groups, I actually don’t think it will happen in the near future. Now try to realize that what I say is simply
            “my opinion” and nothing more. If my emotions were to dictate “justice” there would be a lot fewer individuals wearing badges and carrying guns… perhaps it is good that my emotions are not considered as law…

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            • Yeah I know what your saying. but i’m saying the laws are interpreted to suggest police have this super extra-ordinary discretion to use lethal force – UNTIL/UNLESS-
              the “objectively reasonable force standard” in those same laws finally kick-in.
              because sometimes reasonable people decide (for whatever reason) this time, it’s also reasonable politically that they do..

              It’s the same thing as that could’ve happen in Zimmerman’s trial if the prosecutors prosecuted like the ones in the wafer case.

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      • Yahtzeebutterfly,
        I share your thoughts and feelings. It doesn’t surprise me that the grand jury did not indict and this is why — a precedent was already set in the State of Maryland. There, it was a Down Syndrome man. Ethan Saylor happened to be White, but the ideology that he was or could be a burden on society fits the agenda, just like Hitler’s propaganda against Jews, gypsies, those of African descent, little people, and the mentally ill. Here, we see the homeless included in the brutalization and/or killing by members of law enforcement.

        It’s frightening that Americans who sit on grand juries are buying into that agenda.

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  9. You might have read where I’ve written about the Mark Anthony Barmore killing in 2009, in a church’s daycare center by 2 cops in Rockford, IL. One cop, Oda Poole, already had a reputation for killing 3 unarmed men before his encounter with Mark. A movie has been made about it. It is scheduled for release next month.

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    • yahtzeebutterfly

      Whew….just watched this trailer to the movie.

      It is going to be a very emotionally difficult movie to watch…. but necessary.

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    • Very intense !

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    • http://whatzenalotionbar.wordpress.com/police-assassinations/

      Mark Anthony Barmore 23, Aug. 24, 2009 Rockford, IL – Officers Oda Poole and Stan North were in a prisoner transport van when informed by a dispatcher Barmore was wanted for questioning in regard to a reported incident involving a woman and knife. An outstanding warrant for Barmore indicated he should be “considered armed and dangerous.” Unarmed Barmore ran inside the church to avoid police, entering through a locked door before it could close behind Sheila Brown and her daughter, Marissa. He tried to hide in a large storage room with no possible exit other than the door he entered, which was located in a reception/work area in the corner of the large room in which 12 children, 4 to 12 years of age, were being cared for by three adult staff. Poole and North, entered with drawn weapons, according to witnesses and called for Barmore to come out. It is unclear exactly what happened as he came out. What is clear is that one officer fired once and the other fired three times, leaving Barmore dead on the floor with three entry wounds in his back. Two of the three staff people working in the room with the 12 children were members of the pastor’s family—his wife, Sheila, and his daughter, Marissa, were witnesses to the shooting. The daughter left the room during the shooting, running up the stairs to notify Apostle Melvin Brown, her father, the pastor. The officers called for supervision and support, both police and medical pronounced Barmore dead. Investigative procedures required in all cases of police use of deadly force began immediately, including statements taken from Sheila Brown, Marissa and each of the 12 children interrogated separately, allegedly without parents, lawyers or DCFS representatives allowed to be present. Although a grand jury, as well as other agencies, ruled the shooting justified, an outside investigation by Independent Assessment & Monitoring alleged the officers had not acted according to department policies and training in the minutes leading up to the deadly use of force. The report also identified a number of other alleged deficiencies, including no apparent supervisory oversight during the incident. The Police Department completed its own review. No action taken against North, pending the outcome of his application for disability, which is being considered. Poole was suspended for 30 days and will be subjected to a fitness-for-duty evaluation before he may resume full-time duties. Murdered by Rockford PD

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      • Hey Lady! Thanks for that summary. State’s Attorney Joseph Bruscato later held Marissa and her mom in contempt of court for failing to appear before the grand jury. The Appellate court reversed and remanded, and then he charged Marissa with making a false police report. I haven’t checked on the status of that, but it also went on to appeal.

        Mark’s mom awoke one night to find a burning cross in her front-yard.

        People native to Rockford walked around town asking why “outsiders” came to Rockford to report on the story and some got involved in advocating that the cops be arrested.

        In response to Jesse Jackson saying that he examined Mark’s body and found 3 bullet wounds in Mark’s back, and no wounds whatsoever on the front of Mark’s body indicating that the wounds on Mark’s back were exit wounds, the coroner said that Jackson was not a doctor.

        Poole was terminated, but he sued to be re-hired and the union arbitrators found in Poole’s favor. In January of this year, he was suppose to be examined by an independent psychologist. Last I heard, he was on administrative leave.

        Stan North did resign and retire on disability. The incident messed up his mind. I do honor his honesty as he did not seem to want to be a cold-blooded killer. Any decent person who kills another should have a conscience about it.

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        • Thanks for the update… I’ll add it to the bio… I’ve been so busy trying to collect information plus my Granddaughter and her BF were here for 2 weeks, then of course I got sick and still can’t get rid of the hacking cough so I really haven’t followed up on any cases other than what’s glaring on HP and FB… Hope you had a fantastic Thanksgiving and always filling in the blanks, and keeping everyone in the loop. 🙂

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    • OMG this is the case you’ve been talking about for so long and they made a movie! wow

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      • Shannon, YES! Mark Anthony Barmore was killed in 2009, but we will not forget. Not only did Oda Poole and Stan North shoot Barmore in the back 3 times killing him, they desecrated the church and also traumatized the children who witnessed his death.

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  10. yahtzeebutterfly

    WED DEC 03, 2014
    “Black police association in St. Louis takes bold stand to support the Rams football players”

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/03/1349063/-Black-Police-Association-in-St-Louis-take-bold-stand-to-support-the-Rams-football-players

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  11. roderick2012

    The Cop Who Killed Tamir Rice Was Found Unfit for Police Duty in 2012

    Tim Loehmann, the Cleveland police officer who shot 12-year-old Tamir Rice to death last month, resigned from a smaller Ohio police force in 2012 after being found unfit for duty. Among other obviously disqualifying behavior, Loehmann was “distracted” and “weepy” during his firearm qualification session, according to just-released records from his brief tenure with the Independence police department.

    “He could not follow simple directions, could not communicate clear thoughts nor recollections, and his handgun performance was dismal,” Independence Deputy Chief Jim Polak wrote in a letter on November 29, 2012, according to records obtained by the Northeast Ohio Media Group. “For these reasons, I am recommending he be released from the employment of the city of Independence. I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies.”

    Loehmann resigned from the Independence force on December 3, 2012, just four days after Polak’s letter and six months after joining the department. In March 2014, Loehmann joined the Cleveland police department, in part, according to his father, because he wanted “more action” than the Independence department could offer.

    http://gawker.com/the-cop-who-killed-tamir-rice-was-found-unfit-for-polic-1666341124/all

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    • crustyolemothman

      With that information in mind, one can not help but wonder why his lead officer pulled the car right up next to what could possibly have been an adult with a real weapon exposing this rookie officer to what could only be described as high risk of death… I think we need to look at this other officer much closer, did he pump this rookie up on the way there and actually encourage him to shoot as soon as they got there? Something simply does not add up in this case…

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  12. yahtzeebutterfly

    Demonstration going on now in NYC. Livestreaming:

    http://www.ustream.tv/stopmotionsolo

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  13. yahtzeebutterfly

    WED DEC 03, 2014 AT 04:33 PM PST
    “When your hopes are rejected: Life after the public lynching of Eric Garner”

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/03/1349181/-When-your-hopes-are-rejected-Life-after-the-public-lynching-of-Eric-Garner

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  14. peni4yothot

    “Makes me want to holler, throw up both my hands…………Father, Father….

    (Marvin Gaye)

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  15. yahtzeebutterfly

    Shaun King retweeted
    Brooke Jarvis @brookejarvis · 2h 2 hours ago
    It’s easy to read #EricGarner’s final words and feel like he’s speaking for thousands

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  16. yahtzeebutterfly

    Lisa Bloom @LisaBloom ·
    “Cop whose chokehold killed Eric Garner had 2 recent suits for racial bias and excessive force. “Broken” doesn’t begin to describe our system

    Cops waited 7 minutes to give Eric Garner CPR. Remember the nurse who wanted to aid Mike Brown but was blocked by cops? I do.”

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  17. ‘Black Bachelorette’ Dr. Misee Harris Forced To Resign Dental Practice For Michael Brown Support

    The lead dentist in the office had a friend infiltrate Dr. Harris’ private Facebook page. Dr. Harris has written:

    “It is as though the partners at my former dental practice believe that a black person who has made it to success in a white-dominated field like dentistry is expected to show gratitude and humility, and to ‘act white.

    The offers for employment are now flowing her way.

    http://www.liberalamerica.org/2014/09/15/misee-harris-forced-to-resign-ferguson/

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    • Good for her!!

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    • Wait X, I swear this entire story was written about on what I think was like a black feminist women’s blog several months ago, a LONG time before Mike Brown was killed.
      instead of Mike Brown tho, she was fired for her support for Trayvon Martin!! I swear when I saw the title i was like “ANOTHER Dentist lady”???!! Didn’t i just read about one who was fired because her internet stuff supportive of another black kid’s death?!

      i didn’t really pay attention to what she looked like but i remember she was she was on TV, and the part of her meeting with the ‘office director’ and i remember that was the exact scenario!!

      i’m gonna try to find the original one i saw AND read lots of comments on it and it was kinda weird because the blog owner was extremely upset about some comments that slip my mind right now but i decided not to make a comment because of it…

      i hope i can find it bcuz this trips me out. bcuz either i’m having a Deja vue or this is some sort of internet chain-like story.. recycled by changing the name of the victim to Mike Brown…so crazy!

      i also remember some commenting on her options for the future like opening up her own private practice etc..
      wow.. lmoa

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  18. Two Things relating to the story I wrote about “toy” guns. First the City of Cleveland is offering a “toy” gun buy back in the community. http://thegrio.com/2014/12/03/toy-gun-tamir-rice/ They will trade comic books for the toy guns.

    Next, twitter and FB are hot with a recent post from the St. Louis police on FB dealing with this issue. The general thought that it is an insensitive post and the have since taken it down but it is still available to view through a side link on the grio page and also on twitter. They mention Tamir but wouldn’t comment on it and basically said what a child should do if they encounter police while holding a “toy” gun. They only briefing mentioned the need to talk to your child about these “toys”.

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    • typo alert briefing=briefly

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    • they have some audacity to discuss “Hot Topics” of dead kids! i’m as pissed at these cops& officials like the Sanford pigs! it would be really nice, since roorda even has a criminal history (lying on police reports) & BOTH chiefs of police, the stl county & ferguson, clearly lied on TV with the media watching and documenting & hopefully mc collugh’s ethics if not worse can be considered & the feds will DO SOMETHING about them and get them OUT of public service! It’s time these high up guys are held to the fire and punished for their corruption!

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    • Towerflower,

      They mention Tamir but wouldn’t comment on it and basically said what a child should do if they encounter police while holding a “toy” gun.

      Oh sure — only they didn’t give Tamir time to do anything. The rules always change for citizens giving them the impression that cops listen when they think a weapon is involved.

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  19. yahtzeebutterfly

    Wesley Lowery @WesleyLowery · 2h 2 hours ago
    DOJ patterns and practice report completely skewers the Cleveland Police Department

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/04/cleveland-police-doj_n_6270220.html

    Wesley Lowery @WesleyLowery · 1h 1 hour ago
    Full DOJ report on Cleveland Police use of excessive force here:

    http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2014/12/04/cleveland_division_of_police_findings_letter.pdf

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    • yahtzeebutterfly

      Shaun King @ShaunKing · 2h 2 hours ago
      Now, knowing what the DOJ just found, PLEASE go read & share my latest on the Cleveland PD’s lies about Tamir Rice @

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/04/1349386/-New-lie-in-the-shooting-death-of-Tamir-Rice-discovered-Police-never-saw-the-tip-of-the-gun-at-all

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      • yahtzeebutterfly

        Shaun King @ShaunKing · 2h 2 hours ago
        Attorney General Eric Holder just announced that their study determined Cleveland PD has engaged in a pattern of unnecessary force/violence.

        Attorney General Holder also cited the Cleveland PD for extreme “shootings, blows to the head and excessive force against the mentally ill”

        W/ these findings, @TheJusticeDept is imposing immediate sanctions on the Cleveland PD and they will now be monitored by an independent body

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        • They need to do away with a departmental IA division, just the fox guarding the henhouse. There needs to be an independent agency with no ties to a police department who conducts these investigations. Even the report above lists the problems with the IA process and their willingness to accept versions of their own officers vs looking at all the evidence. Even when they find a problem they offer no training to prevent it from happening again.

          One of the scariest stories they list is when a person who was being held hostage, escaped his captors and ran out of a house which was surrounded wearing only his boxer shorts, he did what any person would do and ran toward the police, he ran toward help and was shot.

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          • One of the scariest stories they list is when a person who was being held hostage, escaped his captors and ran out of a house which was surrounded wearing only his boxer shorts, he did what any person would do and ran toward the police, he ran toward help and was shot.

            Thanks for bringing this up. I just reblogged from the Fifth Column where they mentioned this case.

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    Christopher Hayes @chrislhayes · 1h 1 hour ago
    StL Police Union spox says McCulloch didn’t want to indict, only convened GJ ” to oblige the public outcry”

    http://www.msnbc.com/all/mcculloch-supporter-mcculloch-never-intended-indict-wilson?hootPostID=9ab0df4c2f77a19f66bb844430c01d8e

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    Wesley Lowery @WesleyLowery · 3h 3 hours ago
    Read @ConnieSchultz writing from Tamir Rice’s funeral

    http://www.creators.com/opinion/connie-schultz/if-our-grief-were-colorblind.html

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  23. This man is amazing it’s gives me chills. I mean it’s unbelievable.
    think i’m watching the movie tonight.

    MALCOLM X: THE POLICE ATTACK YOU THEN CHARGE YOU WITH ASSAULT!

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    17-year-old poet @voice · 16h 16 hours ago
    “A poem I wrote about Eric Garner, written solely with rearranged letters from the entirety of his last words:”

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4C2CQ7IUAAGPsk.jpg:small

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  25. Thanks for everything you share Xena. Very touching post. I think it helps to throw in something nice, positive and uplifting once in a while… breaks the mood… I think a lot of us would be reaching for that rope if there wasn’t some hope out there. 🙂

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    Benjamin Crump, Esq. @attorneycrump · 19h 19 hours ago
    Grand Jury Refuses To Indict Cops Who Killed Man With Down Syndrome Who Wouldn’t Leave Movie
    http://alternativemediasyndicate.com/2014/12/08/grand-jury-robert-ethan-saylor-no-cop-indictment/ … via @ALT_MED_SYN

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