Federal Grand Jury Scheduled To Hear Evidence On George Zimmerman
The other day, a photo of a subpoena made its way around Twitter from Frank Taaffe to Nancy Grace. I decided to wait for confirmation before reporting it. Today, Orlando Sentinel reports that the federal grand jury is scheduled to hear witnesses, and that Frank Taaffe has indeed, been subpoenaed to testify.
For those not familiar;
On February 26, 2012, George Zimmerman killed 17-year old Trayvon Martin, shooting him in the heart. It started with Zimmerman making a “suspicious person” call to the non-emergency number (NEN) of the police department. While Zimmerman was on the phone, Trayvon ran. Zimmerman got out of his truck and followed Trayvon. Minutes later, Trayvon was dead with Zimmerman claiming self-defense.
Frank Taaffe became the main advocate for Zimmerman, alleging that Zimmerman had rights to racially profile Trayvon because there was a group of Black teens in the community committing crimes.
A jury of 5 White women and 1 Latina acquitted Zimmerman. The initial aggressor part of self-defense law was omitted from the jury instructions. During deliberations, Taaffe told Nancy Grace where the jury stood on voting, and it turned out to be true. Taaffe did not say how he obtained the information.
Subsequently, Taaffe changed his opinion about George Zimmerman, saying that Zimmerman is guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin.
When Taaffe was originally interviewed by federal investigators in the weeks following the shooting, he did not tell them about a phone call he had with Zimmerman. Taaffe has since stated that in an interview he had with FBI Agent John Weyrauch, he told about that phone call, which he had with Zimmerman in the days following the shooting but before Zimmerman was arrested and charged with second-degree murder.
The federal grand jury is scheduled to meet at 9 a.m. this coming Wednesday.
Personally, I never felt that the FBI investigation rested on Frank Taaffe testifying. At Zimmerman’s first bond hearing, Assistant Prosecutor Bernie de Rionda spoke of texts and/or emails by Zimmerman that referenced Trayvon’s dad and a “reverend.” With State prosecutors having that information, they were bound to have more as Zimmerman boastfully spoke out before he was arrested.
I’ve also watched other things, such as the case against Adam Pollock for assault being placed on hold. Pollock testified at Zimmerman’s trial that there was no way Zimmerman could make that shot into Trayvon’s chest while on his back. Zimmerman attended Pollock’s gym.
There were also two significant witnesses that were not called to testify during Zimmerman’s trial, the most significant being the witness who was outside and said he came back into the house to get a knife. Additionally, there was information that Zimmerman’s defense attorney, Don West, promised the jury, such as ping logs for the cell phones, that was not produced at trial.
It also puzzled me how Zimmerman knew that the gate cameras were not working at the gates of The Retreat at Twin Lakes on the night that he killed Trayvon. After his acquittal, we learned that Zimmerman outright lied about what he did that evening before leaving his townhouse and seeing Trayvon. Shellie Zimmerman revealed that she and George were in an argument and that she had left him that Saturday and went to her dad’s house. On the other hand, George said that he cooked dinner for her that Sunday before leaving for Target to get groceries for the week.
The other item missing from the state’s case was the video from the bank that was released in discovery material. Many are of the opinion that Mark Osterman is in the video, conducting a transaction at the bank, leaving it around the same time that Trayvon left the 7-Eleven just down the road.
Justice For Trayvon!
Posted on 10/30/2014, in Conceal Carry & SYG, Department of Justice, George and Shellie Zimmerman, Justice For Trayvon, Trayvon Martin and tagged Adam Pollock, DOJ, FBI, Frank Taaffe, George Zimmerman, grand jury, investigation, justice for Trayvon, Orlando Sentinel, Trayvon Martin. Bookmark the permalink. 130 Comments.
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Hey there dear friend! Thanks for the reblog.
My pleasure Xena, always. Have a safe weekend.
The best news in a while I am so happy to hear that this is still ongoing I know My stalker has insisted there was no Grand Jury now its clear as day and its funny because once he noticed this news he then down played it calling it a waste of tax payer dollars.
Nope true justice is not a waste of tax payer dollars Mr. Stalker, what waste tax payer dollars is filing frivolous claims having your court fees waived only to wind up appealing the BS which cost the tax payers but he wouldnt know what taxes are he doesnt even work
scrodriguez, one thing we know — the stalker and his minions lie. I’ve known since December 2012 that the feds had not closed their investigation, but I did not reveal this nor my sources just to counter the lies of the “BGI” conspiracy theorists.
You’re right about the waste of taxpayer money and actually, each time that an in pro per litigant like the stalker files a merit less, malicious case without paying filing fees, it increases the fees on those people who are represented by legal counsel. Working people who really need access to the courts cannot get that access without paying the costs of filing fees and service of summons. Malicious folks like the stalker know that, and that because he has exempt income and is unemployed, his fees and costs are waived while he uses the courts to harass his victims.
Xena, excellent article….I appreciate the key points that you have brought out. Yes, there are witnesses that can help the DOJ be successful in charging and prosecuting gz.
Yahtzee, HEY! I wonder why the Osterman’s have been so quiet since the verdict. Seems as though they would have thrown Zimmerman a party.
Come on Xena, you know the Zimmerman curse by now.
Anyone associated with Piglet suffers some direct or indirect tragedy.
If it’s true that air marshalls have to keep their identity secret then Osterman should have lost his job after his cover was blown after he was exposed as Piglet’s BFF.
Then of course Taffee lost his son and Shellie had to plead guilty to perjury for lying to save Piglet’s loot and of course he left her for a month immediately after the verdict.
Piglet has made some powerful enemies and many of them know exactly what he did that night.
I hope Shellie and Taffee have some type of security because they would be considered ‘loose ends’ in the mob world and I consider some of Piglet’s followers to be scarier than the mob.
i think everybody will be safe as long as the feds only go after fogen, the powerful people are the corrupt folks in florida, they are the ones that put on a farce trial and helped cover up the internal corruption of the police, da, and now apparently state folks.
I was talking about some of Piglet’s fans going after anyone who betrays him because these clowns really identify with Piglet and don’t believe he can do any wrong.
While it’s true he has some vile characters who still believe in him, I don’t believe for one second they will leave their mom’s basements, brush their tooth, put on a shirt and shoes to actually DO anything.
GQ’s list of Least Influential people of 2012.. George made it as # 6. (published worldwide)
“There’s nothing funny about the tragic shooting death of Trayvon Martin. However, there is something morbidly comedic about a man deluding himself into thinking that his life is in danger because a black teenager walking by might assault him with a bag of Skittles. In George Zimmerman’s world, he’s a hero. Thankfully, very, very few other human beings live in George Zimmerman’s world.”
“Brush their tooth”
“While it’s true he has some vile characters who still believe in him, I don’t believe for one second they will leave their mom’s basements, brush their tooth, put on a shirt and shoes to actually DO anything.”
Although that describes 99% of Piglet’s followers it only takes one dipshit with a gun and a bullet to eliminate a potential witness.
What bothers me is the extremes they will go to defend this fool who wouldn’t know them from Adam, yet they trash anyone who dares accuse Piglet of any wrong.
It’s very disturbing.
I totally get what you’re saying. I just don’t think so though. I think most of his supporters, do so only in celebration of his having killed a Black youth, and I don’t think anyone of them is willing to lay their lives/futures on the line for him, personally..
I guarantee you I can inflict lethal damage to Fogen with a bag of Skittles. I use the sour Skittles since they burn a little going up. What I can do to his nostrils is amazing, not to mention his ears. Add a small propane torch, bolt cutters, a car lift, 2 cinder blocks, 1 4 ft. 2′ dia. .085 wall DOM pipe, some large wire ties, 2 cans of carb cleaner and some weed killer.
He can keep his little pistol…….he’ll never get a chance to even draw it. Ya kind a have to be there…….to believe it.
“I don’t believe for one second they will leave their mom’s basements, brush their tooth, put on a shirt and shoes to actually DO anything.” *giggles*
Yep. GZ is toxic.
This might be good news, but only if charges are brought. I hope this is not an effort to white wash the possible charges and make Zimmerman a free man (well he will never be a man, so I guess individual would be a better term..)! Another thought, could he be the sacrificial lamb in an effort to make the Ferguson (Michael Brown) incident go away? One might wonder what Taaffe has been offered for his testimony? Perhaps this time they will get it right. Trayvon deserves to receive justice…
Mothman, you might or might not know, but months ago I predicted that we would hear the federal grand jury’s decision in December. The FBI found something that tells them Zimmerman can be indicted, or their investigation would not have continued for more than 2 years. I’m with you — I hope they get it right this time.
Xena, Would it be asking for too much for X-mas if we could get them to bring down MOM and West as well for jury tampering? Taaffe had to have gotten that information about the jury from them… I don’t want them to be punished too severely, perhaps only 100 years of hard labor with 30 minutes off for good behavior….
O’Mara should be sentenced to not wearing his false teeth so he will have to eat soft food only, while Don West is sentenced to no vanilla ice cream, while being forced to watch O’Mara eat it. 🙂
:] Sounds like a plan. O’Mara is lying his butt off today in another article: http://www.duqsm.com/zimmerman-lawyer-blasts-media-coverage/
Hey Two Sides!
I was so thankful your link was an article, and not a video.
Just the thought of having to watch that man suck on his dentures, sloshing them back and forth, only to say a few words before he starts the whole process all over again……….
I used to cringe when he held a news conference. I would catch myself drooling half way through it, so focused on his choppers I didn’t hear a single word he said. I’m convinced his cheeks are so sunken because of the immense vacuum necessary to keep them from flying out his mouth at any given moment!
One thing about OHaha. When he’s not making stuff up, and lying………..he’s making stuff up, and lying! (And that article proves it)
Hi Kindheart! Good to see your fonts. Yeah, gets exhausting to watch videos. Yep, OM sure knows how to lie his way around . . . wonder what happened to his teeth? Maybe lying through them wore them out!
Oops. That link now returns “Not Found.”
Here’s the student reporter’s blog. Unfortunately she didn’t post the entire article and it goes to the student paper and the same 404 error: http://jen2card1.wordpress.com/2014/10/30/zimmerman-lawyer-blasts-media-coverage/
Hey……………….I heard you say it…….and you heard me say my Fed guys say basically the same thing, but said keep it on the qt.
Racer, yes I remember. I continue hoping that the federal grand jury will return an indictment.
I’ll say it again, and even though I’m a bit miffed at one of my Fed guys for something unrelated, they both said they have something on him and I’m still betting it’s centered around phone records.
Back in our HP days, I posted a possible scenario of who called who and in what order, there, on Fred’s site and I believe here. As I recall, Morpheus Flux had some great insight into this as did one other who was really into getting to the bottom of Fogens crap.
My sons godfather trains all of the Air Marshall’s and he flat out told me there is no record of Osterman being an Air Marshall. Even if he had been, he’d have been fired the second he said that’s what he did. He’s a fired cop and they don’t hire any LE that is fired, has had a bankruptcy, credit and debt issues and the like for obvious reasons. He’s a liar just like Fogen.
Then there’s Taffee who’s now on the other side of the fence. Shellie is on the other side as well. Whether he’s indicted or not by the Feds, there’s smoke……….no bout a doubt it.
I had no idea that he still has those ugly sites online! Obviously he cant be trusted to be honest now. And here Ive been, struggling to forgive him after his supposed epiphany! Thank you for saving me another second of my time spent on this sad sad man.
I dont post often but your blog is my top daily read (even better when you post more than once a day!) & I sooo appreciate your point of view– You have the ability to be forceful and inspiring, without inspiring more hate. (If that makes any sense?) Thank you sooo much for that perspective, Xena, & thank you too for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us.
renahv, bless your heart for seeing my heart, (if that makes any sense). 🙂 Thanks also for being a daily reader. Some people who contribute here say they find it hard to keep up with more than one post a week. LOL! These last several months have not been the best for me in terms of health and time, so I don’t get to write as much as I like. And, I suppose that’s the thing — I like to write, and I like reading other blogs where the people write or make their blog their personal creation through photos. (Behind on that too but plan to catch up this weekend.)
It’s good seeing you.
you’re too generous! ( But how would MOM and West have known about the jury?)
The sites aren’t active though, last I looked. If Francis is in 12-step and making amends, part of that process just might be to leave them up in order to face his past.
I agree, not all understand the nature of Bill W. steps.
I honestly believe this is why Frank has changed.
Hopefully it’s a good thing for him. I’ve prayed for transformation for that group. I thought someone in the Z family, even Z himself might ‘fess up. Interesting that it turned out to be his most visible and vocal supporter. This story has been so crazy you can’t make this stuff up!
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Well this is fantastic news!
Hey everyone how is everyone? I have a question about something. Remember during trial the defense had a witness testifying about her house being burglarized by two BLACK males? What was the relevancy for her testimony? I mean what supposedly had happened to her didn’t have anything to do with GZ and Trayvon.
Hi Wayne and welcome to Blackbutterfly7. The woman who testified about the burglary was O’Mara’s way of justifying why Zimmerman profiled Trayvon. It was his way of appealing to the jury’s racial biases. Check out the 3:18 mark of the following video.
I remember that Wayne2988.
As I recall it was to reinforce the theory that it was “Young Black Males” that were to blame for the burglaries in the area. Hence, when “Wannabe Cop Zimmernut” spotted Trayvon, what else could he do but stalk and murder a teenage black youth, armed with nothing but skittles and tea.
The Bertalan robbery/break in turned home invasion was the impetus for the racial hysteria among the RTL HOA, and Zimmerman becoming Neighborhood Watch coordinator. It was August 3, 2011 when two black males rung Olivia Bertalan’s bell repeatedly and then entered the home through a sliding door. Bertalan was home alone with her baby. She locked herself in the baby’s bedroom and called police while the thieves were downstairs. The police arrived shortly but the thieves escaped out the back. Shelly Zimmerman reportedly saw one of the black male teens run through her backyard. It was a month later when Zimmerman agreed to become Neighborhood Watch coordinator.
The significance of her testimony was that she supported that Zimmerman’s suspicion of Trayvon was justified. Black teens had invaded and robbed a house in the neighborhood, and so his suspicion was justified as a criminal profile even though the only aspect of the profile that was suspect was being black, and inside the gated community.
Of course this was done surreptitiously as all mention of ‘racial profiling’ was barred in the trial by the judge. The relevancy was that their was no strong objections made to the relevancy of her testimony; or the fact that it sought to recreate the very racial profiling that was barred because it was argued that it wasn’t relevant by the defense. So no objections from the derelict prosecution.
Welcome and thanks for sharing your information and thoughts.
They also used her testimony to portray GZ as such a good guy…….who offered his support after the robbery. This was another opened door that the prosecution didn’t take advantage of.
That’s my point. If this case wasn’t racially motivated then why use her? Using her proves that GZ racially profiled Trayvon. And remember in his 911 call he called Trayvon an a-hole. Why he said that? He told Serino that was meant for the people who victimized their neighborhood. Ask yourself this what was Trayvon doing up to the time GZ called him an a-hole? He was walking in the rain right? I mean that’s what GZ said. So not only GZ called him an a-hole for walking in the rain he said Trayvon looked like he’s up to no good like he’s on drugs or something for the same reason. Now my point is what’s the difference between Trayvon walking in the rain and GZ getting out of his truck to do the exact same thing? Can we say the same about him? If race didn’t play a part in it why the same couldn’t been said about GZ?
I have no doubt that Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon. He said “assholes” — plural. He did not see Trayvon as an individual. He said “punks” or “coons” in the plural. Since he thought that every person in Retreat at Twin Lakes committing crime was Black, that puts two and two together that he racially profiled Trayvon as a group of individuals based on Trayvon’s race.
Exactly Xena. That’s all they need. No one can defend that
Wayne, that is how I see it and I think that the FBI profilers might have also. If anyone referred to me in the plural, I would automatically think that they are generalizing with prejudice, or hallucinating, or need new eyeglasses.
This is the best news I’ve heard in a long time.
I hope Z has to wear depends just at the thought of a Grand Jury, much less all the people who have turned on him, and will be more than happy to testify before them.
Ha! Karma …………………
Justice for Trayvon
You know what makes me smile? U.S. Attorneys talk to suspects before they take the matter before a federal grand jury. They encourage them to obtain private legal counsel. (There is no appointment of a public defender until or unless they are arrested.) So, I can only imagine that Zimmerman has been living with the fear of anticipation. In other words, he’s been wearing Depends for a very long time.
Clapping hands! Heh heh heh……………..
I heard “Robbie the Racist” just stocked up on spoons…….just what I heard.
Ooooo, I’ve been on Twitter a lot lately and missed that news. Zowie! I can only hope that if the case doesn’t work out, that Z and his supporters get the scare of a lifetime. Well-played, DOJ.
Two sides, it was posted on a protected Twitter account so only approved followers received it. You can send a request to follow to me, @XenaBb7.
Thanks, Xena! I think I did once, but never heard back. I’ll try again now. I’m @katerwriter.
By the way, the subject person is in Texas. The Ohio IP is probably a website server company that hosts websites for proxy IP addresses.
Ah, Texas, that sounds about right – lots of GZ foolery there, LOL.
what is the purpose of the grand jury? What charges are they bringing? Are these Civil Rights charges or something else. I am pleased to see the feds finally doing something, but want to understand what.
Hey Valentine! A grand jury is presented with evidence to see if there is probable cause to indict. If the grand jury indicts, the U.S. Attorney for that district prepares and presents an affidavit to a Federal Magistrate Judge to issue an arrest warrant.
The investigation is to see if Zimmerman violated Trayvon’s civil rights, but I suspect there might be more charges because of the length of the investigation. There is suspicion about whether the donations he received are taxable since they were donated to him and not a not-for-profit charity. Zimmerman committed a fraud when asking for money for his legal defense, but spent it on his personal debts. There might also be some fraud in him paying rent to O’Mara and West’s partnership when they purchased a building.
Zimmerman also committed perjury by sitting like a “potted palm” while his wife misrepresented her knowledge of the donations, although George instructed her on transferring that money. That took place in state court and doesn’t seem as though the feds would have jurisdiction, but if the money came from out-of-state, they just might have a statute that gives them jurisdiction. The feds are known for charging for wire fraud.
There were questions as to whether his conceal carry license was valid and if he should have had a license under another Class since he carried his gun while on neighborhood watch patrol.
I am so glad to see they might actually bring charges against him. I simply could not find what charges. That is what I was looking for. Thanks for this one.
I know for fact that his permit was and still is invalid. He’s carried a firearm over state lines illegally. Remember, he asked for and got a refund for the mandatory CCW classes and this was in discovery. The theory is that he applied, got his pistol, then the refund, and da-da pulled some strings and made it look like there was a clerical mistake in the State Capital building.
Why this wasn’t even mentioned at trial always puzzled me, but I was told there is a master plan. One of my customers is from FL and has a FL CCW permit, and knows the routine and his dad is a cop near Sanford. My customer’s dad got some info on that as well. Back in 2012 he lent me his CCW law book, which is written by a lawyer and I quoted parts of it on HP back then (drove Dino Domingo & Pat Rugar near insane)
Even if you believe he actually took the classes, he took the wrong ones. By law, he cannot carry on any type of security / town / neighborhood watch with the alleged permit he had.
As I recall, he needed a C & G permit and he had a D or something like that. One must be trained for this and the primary training is restraint. If he’s carrying, by law, he cannot follow anyone, no matter what permit he has. Why wasn’t this brought up at trial.
As we all know he never followed Trayvon, he was merely “…going in the same direction…” He damn well knew what the law was. He also cannot, by law, detain anyone while carrying, hence the “…jumped from the bushes……er, out of the dark…” or whatever the story will be now.
Fogen is a friggin’ moron and nothing but a moron. His minions all think he’s some sharpie but if he was, Trayvon would be alive. Nooooooo, this, to me, was a thrill kill, or an adrenalin rush thing or the like. His wife left him the night before and I’d bet he was loaded on his meds and whatever else he could find and was hell bent on proving “..he’s the man”
Remember SDunn? She’s taken her blog down, but had a page where she took still shots from the 7-Eleven video. I don’t remember the exact time now, but it was long before Trayvon arrived. There’s a man wearing a red baseball cap and shorts who purchased beer. SDunn believed that was GZ.
Now, think about that and if you were an FBI agent investigating. I didn’t see if the man paid with a credit/debit card or cash.
Also, I remember what Dr. Turi said about Zimmerman and drugs, and it would eventually come to light. Well, he’s been correct about “air travel” this year and specifically, this month. (We just had an accident today of the test trip for commercial outer space flights). So I think he’s probably correct about Zimmerman’s chart too and his predictions.
I saw those pics also of the man wearing a red baseball cap and shorts, and I thought the same thing, It looked like GZ.
So did I Butterflydreamer, and that video was brought up on HP numerous times.
I pray Z goes down, and all of his nasty trash is exposed that was withheld from the trial. He is Toxic to everyone around him, and he murdered a 17 year old teen for no other reason than profiling, racism, and because He Wanted To!
He stalked, followed, accosted, then murdered a child.
And since the trial……he has proven himself to be nothing more than an obnoxious, law breaking, lying, violent Ass.
Justice for Trayvon
Butterflydreamer, my mind was not made up — it’s still open. One thing that I did question is, he dressed differently to run out for beer, than he dressed to go to Target. So, if that is GZ, then he dressed to do something other than grocery shopping.
He dressed to go hunting in the rain . . .
racerrodig and Xena….You need a Class “D” license for unarmed security and a Class “G” for armed security in Florida, you are correct that Z does not have any of these and you can check on a person’s security license online through the State and as of Z’s last security patrol at Pompano Pat’s he did not have one. I urged people to complain to the State about his “armed security” patrol without proper licensing. But with his NW patrols….he was not a hired member of the HOA but a regular citizen and that’s how he got around that.
Z had a regular Concealed License permit, there is not a “Class” assigned to it. I have one myself and I have the credentials/training to teach teach the course. Z’s license was included in part of the evidence releases….although it was a poor photo copy. They had statements of his instructors in the large evidence dump of 285 pages. Basically all the instructors said was that they didn’t remember Z and had already destroyed his paperwork as they do everyone’s after 2 years and he had just passed the 2 yr mark. I don’t understand what you mean about applying, getting his gun, and then asking for a refund. You don’t need a Concealed to buy a gun….you just have to wait (cooling off period) but with a concealed you don’t have a cooling off period to buy a firearm, you can produce the license and walk out the same day with the firearm.
Along with the various things that the State of Florida requires….background check, fingerprints, etc. They require a gun safety course that is taught by a NRA Instructor of the field being taught……there are also some waivers like if you are ex-military or a retired cop.
The safety course to be taken is not specified only that it be a safety course so I could teach a rifle safety course and the person could use the documentation from the class to get a concealed license for a pistol. The class could also be a safe hunter’s course…..not that I agree with this requirement since if you want to carry a pistol than I feel your course should be with a pistol and not another type.
At the end of the course the instructor will issue a certificate of completion and it is this certificate that must be mailed to the State of FL. My own concealed was held up in the beginning because my Instructor training certificate did not include my Instructor’s NRA number on it for them to verify……problem was that those certificates presented as an Instructor do not have a requirement to have a number on it. I was then asked to produce my NRA qualifications as an Instructor that I get from the NRA and they then accepted my application. But I can assure you they wouldn’t accept a mistake/paperwork snafu as an excuse. I had to provide proof. As an Instructor I am not legally obligated to issue a certificate of completion to any student that I feel is not worthy. I could withhold it for lack of knowledge, lack of a proper attitude, or poor handling of a firearm.
The problem with some instructors is that they are in it for only the money…..they get large classes and charge anywhere from $50-$150 a person. That last article on Z done by GQ showed what type of training the Z’s received. The reporter went with some of the family members to a concealed class at the Arms Room (Z’s new home away from home) and the reporter said the instructor was making jokes about gays and New Yorkers and when he asked about how to handle a gun since he never had, he received no training but instead told what type of gun to by. They also didn’t require anyone to shoot a gun to ensure they could safely handle one. You get what you paid for and sadly the State doesn’t ensure that these Instructors are really instructing. A good class would include a training package that the Instructor can get from the NRA at a very good price (around $9). It will include training materials on the firearm course (rifle is about rifles, shotgun is about shotguns, pistols is about pistols). It goes into the safe operation of a firearm, types, ammo, possible hazards (hangfires, misfires, squibs), proper attitude, etc. It will also include a test for the student—first step to ensure that the student paid attention and it is also used as a tool for the teacher in case everyone got the same question wrong so you can improve your teaching to cover that area better. It should also include a shooting session to ensure that the student can in fact safely handle and shoot a firearm safely. At the end of this process and only if the student successfully passes then and only then are we to issue the certificate which they use to get the concealed license. One thing we DO NOT teach is anything dealing with laws of the state. Even the state of FL gives a warning that they are not the one to ask questions to, that you are to ask your local law enforcement or consult with an attorney about any legal questions dealing with a carry. I am not a legal expert, I teach firearm safety and how to shoot.
Also Z can, with his concealed, conceal carry over state lines and numerous states will honor the FL concealed license but you are also required to honor the state laws you are in. These are the States that honor a FL concealed license.
What is interesting in this list is that when Z was hiding in Maryland, he could conceal carry through all the states except Maryland. Maryland is a “May Issue” state and you have to have a real good reason to get a concealed license in that state and they are rarely issued. So the one state he was hiding in he couldn’t carry in……not to smart for a guy who was in such “fear of his life”.
I’m sorry for the long post.
Please, don’t be sorry. It was very informative. Now, I do have a question. The gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon was registered to Shellie. Is there anything in Florida law that requires that the gun carried is registered to the carrier?
Xena, The State of Florida does not require a person to register any firearm. What the State did was track the serial number of the firearm and it was Shellie who bought the gun not George. That means it was Shellie who went through the background check and cooling off period and not George. Every firearm bought from a dealer in Florida has to go through a brief background check and you answer some questions…..like are you under a current restraining order for DV.
I was curious about Z’s arrests and DV restraining order but early on I found out his felonies were reduced to a single misdemeanor and the time had elapsed on the restraining order. A felony will keep you from ever buying or owning a firearm in Florida. So he could get the concealed carry license but the one thing I never knew was when the gun was bought. This is a big one…..if she bought it so he could avoid the restraining order issue then she would have been in a lot of trouble. Once the RO expired then he was free to purchase a handgun. The rule only asks if there is a RO currently in force.
I don’t know why it was Shellie who bought the gun instead of GZ, my only thought could be that he didn’t know if the DV time issue had been fully resolved.
I have always said in posts that if the gun is released it would go to Shellie since she was the last known buyer and she has never publicly stated that she gifted it to GZ.
Towerflower, I only remember now that GZ bought the gun after they moved to Retreat at Twin Lakes because of a pit bull running loose who never bit anybody.
Same here. Also, I wonder if not having a gun in her residence was part of her bail conditions while awaiting trial on the perjury charge, and might be at least one reason why GZ decided to go on a victory tour without her — cause he loves his guns.
While she was out on bail, Z was also out on bail. His bond required that he also have no contact with guns. At that time I believe that they only had the one pistol since the news or PD never mentioned another one. LE still have that one and it was never released after the trial since the DOJ or FBI took possession of it until the end of their investigation. But after the trial he did go on a spending spree with his new found donations to buy more guns and left Shellie……but considering Z I doubt a fear of her getting into trouble with her bond was a factor, after all it’s all about him.
” spoke of texts and/or emails by Zimmerman that referenced Trayvon’s dad and a “reverend”
I remember A.Corey battling to keep this info redacted because of it’s nature. But never used during the trial.
I also read other articles of a shuffling of these documents too, from one county to another and not allowing access to the powers requesting them. Either the feds had them shuffled and or the power machine supporting z passing these documents from county to county.
The mysterious phone message z left on Taffee’s phone, still has my antennas up. I knew there had been a GJ but didn’t keep up with it to know rather or not they were still hearing evidence.
Good info Xena!
Peni, right. There was a hearing where O’Mara argued for Zimmerman’s phone records to not be released to the public because the content was controversial. Since the feds have been investigating him since about April 2012, there’s no telling how much his phone calls and computer use was monitored. Those guys could probably tell him how many sheets of toilet paper he used to wipe his butt.
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Also in one of the hearings/trial, it was mentioned by prosecution that they were unable to obtain such/certain records. (??) IIRC
Head scratcher there because why in previous hearings did they argue to keep sensitive material (racial slurs made by z) redacted from evidence.
I believe all along in the backfield of matters, feds had been gathering stuff.
Another issue I cannot shake, the judge asking FBI when will their certification of voice analyst be complete. 18 months was the guestimate.
Call me hopelessly hopeful, but that’s where I stand.
“Those guys could probably tell him how many sheets of toilet paper he used to wipe his butt.”
Especially when they’re pressured, they can tell the ridges in each count of TP. 🙂
I do also, and I think we have good reason to believe that. Remember when O’Mara tried to get the FBI file on Zimmerman, and his request was refused? A fed attorney said that O’Mara did not submit the correct papers, and he also said that since the investigation was ongoing, that there was info that would not be released.
LOL at the TP comment.
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Not only MOM but BDLR also wanted his email, texts, and a journal sealed because of the inflammatory nature of their contents. They never came out in court and I’ve always wondered what was in there.
I didn’t know about the journal. Hmm…
I may be wrong about the journal part…..there were 3 things with writing email, texts, and…..I thought it was a journal but I might be wrong. The hearing was held in 2012 before the trial but I never could find the exact hearing again to save it.
Towerflower, I awoke with a fierce appetite, checked for comments, and went to Youtube to find the hearing but Flash crashed. 😦 I have to reboot and will see if I can find it after I feed my face and the sun comes up.
Reblogged this on WhatZen Let Our Voices Echo .
Awesome news!!!! The Professor and Crane should be posting again soon, got a note from him the other day. Can’t wait to hear his/their take and sort through the messy stuff. Thank you for getting this wonderful news to us
PS I reblogged!
Hey Lady! Thanks for the reblog. I’m behind in reading some blogs, but do hope that Fred will blog on this subject.
This is going to be very interesting!!!
I say when you keep yacking in public and running around and blabbing like the GZ’s, it’s going to catch up with you.
They love the camera and I hope it bites them big!!
PLUS, all that came out of their mouths were lies during that first one.
Does it really matter to take the oath anymore?
Yes, it is going to be very interesting. Let’s keep hoping that the grand jury will indict. Trayvon deserves justice.
You’re right Xena! I pray that every day!!!!!
JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON!
Yes Yahtzee, Trayvon wears his wings well. 🙂
Both far and wide, the word was spread,
for all to hear, TRAYVON IS DEAD!
A hush broke out, the angels knew,
exactly what, they had to do.
They turned their tears, to gentle rain,
that fell to earth, and took his pain.
Their wings they spread, and held him tight,
he now was theirs, as of that night.
They parted clouds, the thunder roared,
MAKE WAY! TRAYVON WILL MEET HIS LORD!
All heads were bowed, all knees were bent,
TO HEAVEN, TRAYVONS SOUL WAS SENT!
In memory of: Trayvon Benjamin Martin (February 5, 1995 – February 26, 2012)
Kindheart, Your poem is so beautiful and moving! Thank you for sharing it here.
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🙂 and I so love this picture also.
I love that poem!
I believe, with everything inside of me, Trayvon is at peace.
Just like I believe, Z will have none.
I believe kindness gives one peace of mind, and comfort.
Faith, inspires Unity and Closeness
Love, reaches out and touches ones soul
And Hate, Racism and Violence……..calls upon the Devil, that will claim their soul.
I believe Z is claimed, and marked to have a very Dark Future!
I totally agree. What brought me to the internet in search of blogs with people of like-mind, was a dream I had about Trayvon. Trayvon is happy. The man who killed him has no peace, no happiness, and he never will. When he said it was all “God’s plan” and he had no regrets, not even regret for getting out of his vehicle, he gave himself up to karma, because God is not going to ever take responsibility for what the killer did.
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X2 what everybody said
I do not recall Pollock stating that George couldnt make that shot while on his back, perhaps I missed it. But here are a few key notes that I believe should be really considered.
#1) Shellie and George were at odds Shellie left the night before so the entire idea that he was on his way to Target to get stuff for her to prepare their lunches really needs to be pointed out he lied
#2) Just mins before George called NEN he got off the phone with Shellie (Keep in mind they were fighting)
#3) since his acquittal he has had a series of run ins with the law the 1st being Assaulting
Shellies father and threatening them both with a gun
The 2nd being leaving a target at the home of Shellies parents a subtle threat.
3rd Yet another Domestic Violence issue, with Samantha Schiebe in which George broke her table with the but of the Shot gun and pointed the Shot gun at her face while she called 911, asking Samantha “Do you really wanna do that?”
Only for her to leave her own house and George to barricade himself inside refusing to come out.
4th Georges recent run in with Law enforcement in which he took it upon himself to patrol a local gun store
5th George getting into a bit of Road rage and following a man threatening him, only for George the very next day to show up at the mans job.
You put all of that together you have a clear picture of who George Zimmerman really is and you see a consistent pattern the man has violent burst and is quick to threaten someone with a gun.
He is going to claim he didnt follow Trayvon yet he followed a man to his job, he is going to claim he never had his gun drawn yet he had no problem threatening Shellie, Samantha and the un named Victim with his gun.
The bottom line George Zimmerman is guilty of Murder and they need to get his ass off the streets I am so happy this is going down
#2 really has my curiosity…but I guess we will never know what they talked about.
I wonder if the DOJ will investigate the 2011 RVC incident when gz allegedly pulled a gun on a UPS deliveryman.
RCV should have been “RTL”
My opinion Zimmerman gets heated when his relationships are in shambles look at his previous Domestic Violence case.
So in my opinion they were fighting Shellie was gone that night he spoke to her on the phone just moments before Seeing Trayvon likely that phone call didnt end well and George had a kid he could take his aggression out on.
Look at the clear pattern the man goes batty when his relationships are under fire
Here it is. You can fast forward to the 3:48 mark.
Way off top:
Happy Halloween Everyone!
Here is the DOJ twitter site link to give you an idea of what the DOJ is involved with:
You can just scroll down and down…it is continuous.
I was hoping I would have the time to read through the newest comments, but it looks like it’s going to be a pretty busy night here. 🙂
It’s still almost 70, and a perfect, calm clear night for all the trick or treaters to head out. And “out” they are! Yeahhhhhhhhh! (Thank goodness I made a grocery run this afternoon and picked up 3 more large bags of goodies, as I’m always afraid I’m going to run out)
I’ve already had a few dozen wee ones, and it’s only 6:45, barely dusk. (And out of those………..1 that has already asked to use my potty, LOL……….and one that was just a mass of gray stuffed material, with little tiny legs poking out the bottom? I bent over and asked: “Oh My…………May I ask who you are? The little voice inside giggled, as Mommy replied: “She’s a Pet Rock” I almost fell over laughing………
I’m going to go take my spot outside, in my chair by the door, so I can greet every single one, as I toss a handful of candy into their pumpkin, sack or bag.
I’ll BBL later……….. Happy Halloween everyone! 🙂
LOL – a pet rock!!! We had the cutest, tiniest, toddling Ninja Turtle ever. So precious.
LOL Two Sides!
Considering Pet Rocks was a 70’s thing, (when my children were small) I’m certain this was a “Grandma idea”. I’m sure had there been more children in the family, they would have shown up dressed as a “Mood Ring”, “Chia Pet”, or “Crazy 8 Ball”!!!! LOL
A Toddling Ninja Turtle………..too cute!
I Adore seeing all the children, and I’m thankful I don’t have to pay their dental bills! LOL
I finally turned my light off and shut my door at 10:00. (And I still saw children out walking around)
Xena, can you explain why the Feds are subpoenaing Taaffe to testify even though earlier this summer he voluntarily spoke to them?
Is Taaffe a co-conspirator in Trayvon murder?
I always thought that Taffee was present when George murdered Trayvon because of his emphatic declaration that Trayvon would still be alive if Trayvon had just answered George’s questions.
It would have been out of character for George to have told anyone that he was the aggressor because George is always the victim. Also I don’t believe George and Taaffe are close they just share a hatred for African Americans so he would not have shared such damning information with Taaffe.
Also I believe that Taffee was the man wearing the t-shirt whom some of the witnesses claimed to have seen that night and maybe the Feds want him to flip on George.
Federal grand juries have sessions. They don’t meet year-round. The one thing that I ponder is that maybe, just maybe, they have continued to meet since earlier this year because the feds intend to get indictments for more than one charge.
Don’t know, but there was talk of evidence that Taaffe’s input was to violate, or in violation, of the federal Fair Housing Act. I have questioned the timing in his come to Jesus moment because after years of tying up and continuing his foreclosure case, his house did foreclosure just before he admitted that Zimmerman is guilty of murder.
That was Taaffe’s ideology of superiority talking, and Zimmerman is not beyond that either. The guy in the white t-shirt? I have pondered that it was the kid running after his dog.
can anybody tell me if shellie zimmerman was at her father s hjouse who was the lady that broke down and started crying and moved gz s truck
Hi Julia and welcome to Blackbutterfly7. I don’t remember seeing a woman breaking down and crying at Shellie’s dad’s house during the altercation between them and Zimmerman, but Samantha Scheibe was there. Subsequently, it was revealed that George and Samantha lived together. It was Samantha who called the cops on Zimmerman resulting in his arrest, although she changed her story later.
I asked a lawyer about this subject and this was her reply :
As far as it being “legal to follow someone,” under U.S. civil tort law, it IS illegal to put another person “in fear of imminent bodily harm or injury.” I believe that most rational people who observed an apparent adult stranger following a young child or teenager, we would become suspicious of that person’s intent, and most of us would reasonably assume that that person probably intended to do bodily harm or injury to that child or teen. Under our civil tort law, that is defined as “simple assault.” (to be distinguished from “assault and battery”) A person does not have to touch you in order to be found guilty of simple assault. And, IMO, following a complete stranger for no apparent reason, is tantamount to placing another person in fear of imminent bodily harm or injury aka simple assault. By gz.s own admission, he followed Trayvon, first by car and then on foot, and even when asked, “Why are you following me?” he did not identify himself or provide Trayvon a reason or an explanation. Therefore, IMO, the prosecution should have made that argument, and the judge should have allowed it. So, the gz’s supporters, “it’s not illegal to follow someone” excuse doesn’t fly either.
Hi Bonnie and welcome to Blackbutterfly7. Thanks for the informative comment. I agree. Even if things happened at the “T” like Zimmerman says, being asked why he was following, not introducing himself, and going in his pocket instead, is a threatening action.
Bonnie AKA babybelle from HP
In addition, the CCW laws in FL prohibit anyone from following anybody while they are armed. I believe this should have been drilled into the jury as well.
Would it have made any difference?
Some like Juror 37 already had their mind up.
Courtesy of LLMPapa;
I was hoping Serino would do the right thing and was very disappointed he sold his soul to the devil IMO.
I hope FT won’t do the same.
Bonnie, I was disappointed and wondered why, at trial, that Serino was not asked about the Capias for manslaughter.
I will always believe there was something fishy going on .
What’s with Frank Taaffe being a no show at the GJ hearing ?
Don’t know Bonnie. It seems that because Taaffe keeps mouthing off about what should be secretive, that the hearing was continued.
FT appeared today. Story is on the Orlando Sentinel
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