Open Discussion and Michael Dunn Jury Selection
Caterpillars, moths, butterflies, and all creatures great and small,
Jury selection in the Michael Dunn murder retrial started today. In his first trial, Dunn was found guilty of 2nd degree attempted murder for shooting into the SUV that contained passengers and the driver, including Jordan Davis. The jury however, hung on the 1st degree murder charge for Dunn’s killing of Jordan Davis. Dunn has claimed self-defense.
Dunn’s sentencing on the 2nd degree attempted murder convictions is postponed until after his retrial.
Jury selection is expected to take several days.
Please use this thread to discuss the Dunn jury selection and any other topic that you desire. When trial begins, I will open another thread for reporting and discussion.
Justice of Jordan Davis!
Posted on 09/22/2014, in Jordan Davis, open discussion and tagged Jordan Davis, jury selection, Michael Dunn, murder, open discussion, retrial. Bookmark the permalink. 186 Comments.
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He is/was as cute as he wanted to be! I saw this video on youtube, a while back and, I fell in Love with it. I pray, that MD will be found guilty of the murder, that he committed. But, it’s going to be awful hard, when you have the prosecution, on the side of the murderer.
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Ladystclaire,
YES! Jordan was full of fun — full of life. I truly hope that the prosecution learned from the first trial what they need to do this time around so that the jurors perfectly understand the law. Even according to Dunn’s story, Jordan was getting back in the SUV. He was no threat.
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News4jax.com will be live streaming the trial, gavel to gavel, once it begins.
They have a video of this morning’s events outside of the courthouse where Jordan’s parents spoke.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/michael-dunn-facing-second-murder-trial/28179058
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Justice for Jordan Davis. Convict Michael Dunn of murder. Here’s a guy who started the conflict,committed the only act of violence. Firing upon a vehicle and lying about the threat upon him and a shotgun. Reminds me of the killing of Sean Bell and how we were told there was a 4th guy in the vehicle with a gun. Also here is a website called legal insurrection.One of the columnist is a guy named Andrew Branca. Branca is a atty,firearms instructor and self defense instructor. In my opinion Branca doesn’t advocate self defense for black people. Branca is a Zimmerman supporter,Darren Wilson supporter,David Jannot supporter all white people who killed black people while claiming self defense. Michael Dunn and Ted Wafer also white he doesn’t state support of their killings of black people while claiming self defense.He also doesn’t condemn these killings of black people by these whites falsely claiming self defense.
However,there was one case of self defense Andrew Branca didn’t support. That was the case of Black Detective Joseph Walker killing unarmed white racist criminal Joseph Harvey The black cop who claimed he had to shoot and kill a white person in self defense he couldn’t support..The Black cop killing a white criminal he called an unnecessary killing. Here are links to the site. Look for yourself and see if I’m wrong. Also the posters are worse and the admin tolerates their vitriol. Yet when I’d comment on the hypocrisy and just ask questions,I was told an email would be sent to the admin about me. This was while I was under my old name.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/08/nj-cop-faces-1st-degree-murder-should-have-followed-law-of-self-defense/
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/09/loud-music-case-jury-selection-begins-for-re-trial-on-murder-count/
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/post-zimmerman-acquittal-civil-rights-immunity-and-perjury/
Follow these links. They will take you to other writings on the topics mentioned. Read as much as yo can and tell me if I’m correct or incorrect .
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chuquesta,
Because your comment contained more than 2 links, it went into moderation. I’m allowing the links but in general, I don’t allow links to blogs or websites that disparage Blacks or any other race. Although I believe that the knowledge of such sites should be shared so people don’t walk up on a rattlesnake, I prefer not to drive traffic to those sites.
I heard of Andrew Branca because cyber-extortionist DP tweeted to him as if he was trying to apply for a job and also tried promoting Branca’s book. I’ve seen some of Branca’s tweets and found them to be mean-spirited and disrespectful.
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I understand your view. In the future I will not post links to sites that disparage Black people. My point in putting up the links were to backup and prove my assertion. I apologize for any negativity this may have caused.
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Chuquesta,
No need to apologize. You didn’t know and I picked up on your disgust with the filth on that site, which is why I approved your comment.
When justice is served, such as with Dunn being convicted on 3 counts of 2nd degree attempted murder, and Ted Wafer being convicted, the haters come out more hateful. They have to face reality that they have absolutely no influence on how cases are decided. They assumed that their hate, lies, and disparaging of Trayvon helped Zimmerman walk. Actually, it was O’Mara planting Juror B37 in the pool that accomplished that. I picked that up after the verdict when she went on AC360, and Lisa Bloom’s interview of Maddy helped to confirm it.
What those like Branca cannot comprehend is that their methods get and are old. Their mean-spirited comments serve no purpose than to provoke online debates to keep the hate and hurt going.
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I call branca #TopTwitterLawyer because all he can do is play one on twitter since he doesn’t have any actual clients. he’s the typical short, bald, middle aged filthy troll who mocks the murders and lives of black kids to hock his dumbass pamphlet that he prints up and self publishes on amazon.
he’s always trying to give it away during high profile murder cases because then he can talk about it online which encourages other idiots with gun muscles to send him money.
the only other way he makes money is much like Zimmerman apparently, he runs around looking for fools at gunshows who’ll let him set up a booth and/or give power points on how to murder young black boys that the other impotent little angry midgets, like himself, are envious of.
when I first ran across him on twitter 2yrs ago I freaked out because of the racist hatred he tweeted about Trayvon, at the time I thought he was a practicing lawyer and had to call my old lawyer to find out if this guy was allowed to publicly speak like that as an officer of the court! and could he actually be a member of his state bar! I’d never heard a legal professional talk like that and wanted to make sure he wasn’t representing real clients. I was assured he’s not! so he’s a total hack & doesn’t practice law-other than pretend on twitter!
BTW, he’s absolutely insanely jealous of Sunny Holston for her TV career! It’s so great to watch his meltdowns when she’s on TV.
And one more thing. branca was definitely pro dunn & wafer, he just tried to keep it cool because after Trayvon, the idiots were nervous that such a blatant “racist blame the victim defense” wouldn’t work so easily this time to sway the public.
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I agree about him supporting Wafer and Dunn. He just didn’t explicitly state it. He used legalese to try to mask it. Like yourself ,I could see through it. He will use the same if Dunn is found guilty. I hope he doesn’t have Black people at his seminars. Convict Michael Dunn of murder.
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Potential juror interviews start again at 2 p.m. EST.
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Leslie Coursey tweets from this morning:
Jurors can know about the case, just can’t have formed an opinion about it.
Change of venue will only be considered if jury cannot be found in Jax. Need 16 people. 12 jurors. 4 alternates.
A total of 490 potential jurors have reported for jury service today. This pool will support all cases picking juries for trial this week.
Jurors can know about the case, just can’t have formed an opinion about it.
#MichaelDunn has new atty for this trial. Waffa Hannania, Office of Regional Conflict Counsel.
Dunn’s atty using telling judge that #JordanDavis rally outside courthouse should be considered for change of venue request.
Judge says he cannot control what happens outside courthouse.
Same state team prosecuting #MichaelDunn. Angela Corey, John Guy, Erin Wolfson.
Potential jurors being brought in now.
Potential jurors filling out questionnaires as they sit down.
Judging by buttons potential jurors are wearing, there are 100 of them in the courtroom right now.
Judge Healey telling potential jurors it’s their civic duty to serve. Thanks them.
Judge reading charge against #MichaelDunn. 1st degree murder of #JordanDavis
New jury will not know #MichaelDunn was found guilty of 3 counts attempted murder in last trial.
Potential juror, a corrections officers, says he knows #MichaelDunn. Will likely not be considered.
Two other potential jurors claim to know attys. Will also probably not be considered.
Judge telling potential jurors they will be sequestered, if chosen. Will stay at hotel, cut off from TV, Internet, newspapers.
Judge telling potential jurors trial will probably last two weeks.
Judge: Jurors will be allowed to watch movies, supervised. No TV. Cannot have outside influences.
Judge: Potential jurors cannot talk about case via text, social media. Begins now.
Judge reminding jury their identities are confidential. Filling out questionnaires now. Gonna take a sec.
Potential jurors finished filling out questionnaires.
Judge, attys about to ask potential jurors questions. Object – to find impartial jury.
Judge reading names of potential witnesses to see if potential jurors know them.
Juror #12 says he knows Tommy Stornes, saw him on TV. Stornes was one of teens in SUV where #JordanDavis was shot.
A few other potential jurors say they know police officers who could be witnesses in #MichaelDunn trial.
#MichaelDunn facing potential jurors as judge, attys work to pick impartial jury. Wearing white shirt, tie.
Judge asking potential jurors who know possible witnesses if they could still be impartial. Seems like the answer is no.
Judge asking potential jurors if they have any medical conditions that would prevent them from serving. Some say they have neck, back pain.
One potential juror with hearing problems getting headphones to help her hear.
One potential juror under doc’s care for panic attacks. Another says he can’t read English well.
One potential juror says issue in Ferguson, MO will prevent him from being fair in #MichaelDunn case.
Judge understands many in jury pool have probably heard of #MichaelDunn case. Question is whether they can be fair.
Breaking for lunch. Judge, attys will go thru questionnaires. Back at 2pm.
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What the hell is wrong with these people?!
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Kev,
Good question. Dr. Turi says it’s because of the planets and people don’t understand their stars. Others say it’s the lack of teaching good morals. Some say that people need “religion.” Then too, there is that saying about something being in the water.
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That’s actually very funny! But true in some respects. lol If only if was that simple hey?
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Kev,
Yep. If only it was that simple.
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After Ferguson, police get media training with session titled ‘Feeding the Animals’
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ferguson-police-pr-lesson-article-1.1947980#bmb=1
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” ‘Stop-and-Frisk’ Ebbs, but Still Hangs Over Brooklyn Lives”
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From LLMPapa;
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29 potential jurors have been excused. 42 are waiting to be called back for questioning.
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Although Judge Healey wants to call 100 potential jurors, 490 potential jurors were summoned.
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Leslie Coursey’s….@LeslieANjax….. Tweets:
Back from lunch. Looks like 33 potential jurors cut after questionnaire review.
Judge, attys going thru list of potential jurors who may have seen/read parts of first trial.
42 potential jurors flagged for questioning.
#MichaelDunn paying close attention to jury selection. Reading thru jury questionnaires.
SA Angela Corey asks judge to tell potential jurors that #MichaelDunn does not face death penalty.
Judge Healey plans to ask for 40 more potential jurors tomorrow.
UPDATE: 29 potential jurors excused, 42 to be called back for questioning.
Judge wants 40 more potential jurors tomorrow. Asking clerk for 40 more on Wednesday…just in case.
Juror #91 claims she saw Juror #1 discussing something with someone with a notebook. Judge plans to talk to Juror #1 now.
Juror #1 says man with notebook was another potential juror.
Judge sending some potential jurors home. They will return at 2pm tomorrow.
Asking potential jurors going home to not watch TV, read paper/internet talk to family or employer about case.
Larry Hannan tweet:
Jurors just being questioned today on their knowledge of case. More detailed questioning on other matters will wait until later.
I’m beginning to doubt we’ll get through jury selection in 3 days.
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Larry Hannan’s…@LarryHannan tweets:
Healey said he wants at least 60 jurors remaining after all questioned about case knowledge. He has 29 of them now.
Expect defense to push to get anyone with knowledge of this case excluded. Remember, they want this case out of jacksonville.
And the way to get the case out of jacksonville is by claiming no one with knowledge of case can be on jury.
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yahtzee,
“Remember, they want this case out of Jacksonville”
Have they requested it be moved to Sanford, Seminole County, Fl.? That would be the perfect place in their eyes…
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Hi crustyolemothman,
Yes, I do remember that.
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Leslie Coursey’s….@LeslieANjax….. Tweets:
Individual juror questioning begins now with Juror #2.
Juror 2 heard about case. Can set “strong” opinion aside. Sequestration ok.
Juror #2 believes if parties used “courtesy, respect” we wouldn’t be here right now. Juror #6 being called now.
Juror #6 heard about case. Formed opinion. Can set that opinion aside. Sequestration ok.
Juror #6 said #MichaelDunn felt threatened. Felt need to retaliate. Went too far.
Juror #6 feels like #MichaelDunn “could be guilty.”
Juror #7 heard about case. Not formed opinion. Juror #11 up now.
Juror #13 heard about case. Formed opinion. Can set that opinion aside.
Total of 30 potential jurors released so far today.
Larry Hannan’s…@LarryHannan tweets:
Juror #2, a white female says she has a very strong opinion of case but can put it aside.
Defense attorney waffa hanania asks juror #2 what that opinion is. Angela Corey objects, judge healey sustains objection.
Corey argues jurors opinion is irrelevant if she can put it aside. Lawyers now discussing issue at sidebar.
If lawyers don’t know potential jurors opinion on dunn case they’ll have to guess.
This is a long sidebar. Hanania seems to be trying to figure out what she can and can’t as jurors.
Corey is apparently withdrawing objection. Looks like hanania can ask question.
I was wrong. Juror says with a little courtesy and respect this wouldn’t have happened.
Juror #2 said her opinion doesn’t show bias on either side.
Juror #6, a black man, now being questioned.
Juror #6 says he thinks dunn may have felt threatened by Jordan, but shouldn’t have taken it as far as he did.
Juror #6 says he feels dunn is guilty, but that’s a moderate feeling.
Juror #11 a black female, takes stand. Said she knows about case, but can set her knowledge aside.
Juror #7 is dismissed cuz she has 7 month old daughter.
Juror #13 a black woman, says she has an opinion on case but can set it aside.
Angela Corey explains to potential juror that what she’s heard about case may not ever come into trial.
Juror 13 said media coverage of case had strong impact on her. Especially because it was another young black male being killed.
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I disagree with Corey. When people already have opinions, whether positive or negative, whatever they hear at trial is interpreted by their opinion. History tells us that evidence and facts do not change the partiality of jurors.
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I agree with you, Xena.
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Me, too! If people have formed an opinion – one way or the other – they don’t belong on the jury. It’s called “bias.”
Corey should step the heck out of the case and let her trial lawyers do their job … without having their boss in the room.
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Annie,
Absolutely! A jury can make or break the case, as we saw in Zimmerman’s trial and even Dunn’s first trial. Now, I wonder if Corey will have a change of mind and want jurors who have already formed opinions on Alexander’s retrial and not ask them what those opinions are?
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Ferguson “town meetings” :
Julie Bosman @juliebosman · 19m
Mayor of #Ferguson just announced that the planned “town hall meetings” tonight have been narrowed from 3 to two. No meeting at City Hall.
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First Ferguson town hall meeting tonight
KSDK - 19 minutes ago
Monday night the first in a series of town hall meetings will be held in Ferguson.
The news video in this link is not updated to inform listeners that that there will only be 2 locations holding meetings and that there will be no meeting at the City Hall.
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/09/22/ferguson-town-hall-meetings/16037097/
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The banner behind home plate last night:
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Leslie Coursey’s….@LeslieANjax….. Tweets:
Juror #13 has formed opinion that #MichaelDunn guilty. Says she can set that opinion aside.
Juror #16 excused. Sequestration a hardship. #18 up now.
Juror #18 heard about case. Can set “moderate” opinion aside.
Larry Hannan’s…@LarryHannan tweets:
Three of the first 4 jurors flagged for questioning are black.
Juror 13 says she believes dunn is guilty but she can put that belief aside.
Juror 13 says she will give dunn the presumption of innocence if she gets on jury.
So far we’ve had one white woman, one black man and three black women questioned.
The black man and two black women all said they thought dunn was guilty but could put it aside.
The black woman with an infant was released without being asked.
Juror 16 is a white woman. Manager of a store.
Juror 16 excused due to hardship.
Juror 18 is white woman.
Juror 18 heard about case from family member. Said she has opinion on case, but it’s not that strong.
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deray mckesson @deray
This is your work too. Issue #11 of #Ferguson protester newsletter.
“thisisthemovement #11”
Monday, September 22, 2014
http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=81643c9592bb041cc8a4ea614&id=fd9bb56a1b
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Leslie Coursey’s….@LeslieANjax….. Tweets:
Juror #19 heard about case. Can set opinion aside. Sequestration a hardship. Works two jobs.
Juror #21 excused. Sequestration a hardship. Juror #24 up now.
Juror #26 excused. Sequestration a hardship. Mother of 10 yr old.
Larry Hannan’s…@LarryHannan tweets:
Juror 18 said her opinion was informal. Not that thought out.
Defense attorney waffa hanania is making sure to explain presumption of innocence to jurors.
Juror 19 is black woman. Says it would be a hardship to miss work for two weeks.
Corey fighting to keep 19 from being excused.
Juror 19 says she won’t get paid if she is on jury. I think she works for a supermarket.
Juror 19 said she doesn’t know much about case.
Juror Says if you pull out a gun your guilty of harming someone. Said she thinks dunn is guilty.
Juror 19 excused. Not sure she can give him presumption of innocence.
Juror 21, a black woman, has training at work, is excused.
Juror 24, a white man. Has opinion on case. Says he can set it aside.
Hanania not asking everyone what their opinion is. Only those that say they have a strong opinion.
Juror 24 says he knows dunn shot Davis. Not sure if it was justified or not.
Juror 26, a black woman, has a hardship with her 10 year old child.
Juror 26 is excused.
Juror 29, a white man training to be a paramedic, says he can’t miss class.
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Leslie Coursey’s….@LeslieANjax….. Tweets:
Juror #29. Sequestration a hardship. In paramedic school at FSCJ North. Says he can’t miss class. EXCUSED.
Juror #30 knows about case. Knows about prior trial, guilty verdicts on attempted murder charges.
Juror #30 a freelance journalist. Says he can be impartial.
Total of 34 potential jurors dismissed so far today.
Larry Hannan’s…@LarryHannan tweets:
Juror 29 is excused.
Juror 30, a white man, said he’s familiar with case. Knows there was a first trial. But can put that aside.
Juror 30 said he watched about 3/4 of original trial.
Juror 30 knows there was a mistrial in first case, but not sure what a mistrial was.
Juror 30 is also a freelance journalist who thinks original verdict was correct.
Juror 32 is a white man who is a special education teacher. Not sure if anyone can replace him.
Juror 32 has hardship with his job. He’s a white man.
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Larry Hannan’s…@LarryHannan tweets:
Juror 32 says he thinks situation could have been avoided if both sides had behaved differently.
Juror 33 is a corrections officer. White man.
Juror 33 also knows dunn from jail.
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Larry Hannan’s…@LarryHannan tweets:
Juror 39 a white man knows about case. But only basics.
Juror 39 says he heard what happened but has no opinion on case.
Juror 42 is black woman. Has 8 kids. Has opinion on case but can set it aside.
Numerous jurors seem determined to evade question when asked if they have an opinion on dunn’s guilt or innocence.
Juror 43, a black man, knows about first trial, but didn’t pay it much attention.
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More from yesterday:
LarryHannan @ LarryHannan
Hanania says those three jurors all had strong opinions and were evasive about putting those opinions aside.
Prosecution agrees #42 can be dismissed.
Healey dismisses #13 says #6 could stay.
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oops…just post this here…meant to post it below in discussion with Joseph.
I have now put this latest posted comment down below where I originally meant to post it.
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“Walmart shooting: grand jury hears evidence in John Crawford III death”
Monday 22 September 2014 – 15.16 EDT
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/22/ohio-grand-jury-evidence-walmart-shooting
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Photo from the article:
This photo provided by the family of John Crawford III shows Crawford with his mother, Tressa Sherrod.
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Leslie Coursey’s….@LeslieANjax….. Tweets:
Juror #32 says sequestration a hardship. Keep in mind, judge predicts a two week trial.
Juror #33 a corrections officer. Says he has seen in jail. Knows officers who may testify. Still says he can be impartial.
Juror #39 says he heard a “man shot a kid” over playing a radio too loud. Says he can set opinion aside.
Juror #42 a single mom of eight. Judge jokes sequestration could be a vacation for her.
Juror #48 carries a concealed weapon. Says he is opinionated, but can be impartial.
Larry Hannan’s…@LarryHannan tweets:
Juror 48 a white man, says he knows about case but can set it aside.
Juror 48 is an open carry advocate and said he paid attention to case because of that.
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Leslie Coursey’s….@LeslieANjax….. Tweets:
Juror #54 says sequestration a hardship because she would have to make arrangements for her pet.
Juror #57 excused due to medi©al issues.
Juror #60 excused. Brings total to 36.
Juror questioning wrapping up for the day. Now attys tying up loose ends.
Larry Hannan’s…@LarryHannan tweets:
Juror 52 a white woman, knows about original trial, but thought the mistrial was cuz jury couldn’t agree on sentencing.
Juror 54, a black woman, knows about case. Said she can set knowledge aside.
Juror 54 says she thought dunn was guilty, without actually using the word guilty. Says dunn shot unarmed teenager.
Juror 61, an Asian female knows trial occurred. Knows he was guilty of something. Said she can keep open mind.
Juror 61 not sure that anyone can care for her animals.
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Larry Hannan
Questioning ends for the day.
These jurors will return at 2 pm tomorrow.
Different batch of jurors will be dealt with in morning.
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Okay, the reporters tweeting did not indicate that these 15 potential jurors had been excused, and so I guess that they will be returning at 2 p.m. tomorrow:
Juror #2, a white female says she has a very strong opinion of case but can put it aside.
Juror #6, a black man, now being questioned.
Juror #6 says he thinks dunn may have felt threatened by Jordan, but shouldn’t have taken it as far as he did.
Juror #6 says he feels dunn is guilty, but that’s a moderate feeling.
Juror #13 a black woman, says she has an opinion on case but can set it aside.
Juror 13 said media coverage of case had strong impact on her. Especially because it was another young black male being killed.
Juror 13 says she will give dunn the presumption of innocence if she gets on jury.
Juror 18 heard about case from family member. Said she has opinion on case, but it’s not that strong.
Juror #18 heard about case. Can set “moderate” opinion aside.
Juror 18 is white woman.
Juror 18 said her opinion was informal. Not that thought out.
Juror 24, a white man. Has opinion on case. Says he can set it aside.
Juror 24 says he knows dunn shot Davis. Not sure if it was justified or not.
Juror #30 knows about case. Knows about prior trial, guilty verdicts on attempted murder charges.
Juror #30 a freelance journalist. Says he can be impartial.
Juror #30 knows about case. Knows about prior trial, guilty verdicts on attempted murder charges.
Juror #30 a freelance journalist. Says he can be impartial.
Juror 32 is a white man who is a special education teacher. Not sure if anyone can replace him.
Juror 32 has hardship with his job. He’s a white man.
Juror 33 is a corrections officer. White man.
Juror 33 also knows dunn from jail.
Juror #33 a corrections officer. Says he has seen in jail. Knows officers who may testify. Still says he can be impartial.
Juror 39 a white man knows about case. But only basics.
Juror 39 says he heard what happened but has no opinion on case.
Juror #39 says he heard a “man shot a kid” over playing a radio too loud. Says he can set opinion aside.
Juror 42 is black woman. Has 8 kids. Has opinion on case but can set it aside.
Juror 43, a black man, knows about first trial, but didn’t pay it much attention.
Juror #48 carries a concealed weapon. Says he is opinionated, but can be impartial.
Juror 48 a white man, says he knows about case but can set it aside.
Juror 48 is an open carry advocate and said he paid attention to case because of that.
Juror 52 a white woman, knows about original trial, but thought the mistrial was cuz jury couldn’t agree on sentencing.
Juror #54 says sequestration a hardship because she would have to make arrangements for her pet.
Juror 54, a black woman, knows about case. Said she can set knowledge aside.
Juror 54 says she thought dunn was guilty, without actually using the word guilty. Says dunn shot unarmed teenager.
Juror 61, an Asian female knows trial occurred. Knows he was guilty of something. Said she can keep open mind.
Juror 61 not sure that anyone can care for her animals.
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Juror 2 heard about case. Can set “strong” opinion aside. Sequestration ok.
Juror #2 believes if parties used “courtesy, respect” we wouldn’t be here right now.
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Terrific … astounding job, Yahtzee!
Thank you!
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YW, Annie.
I am thinking that tomorrow I might just post a summary of who is still a potential juror at the end of the day instead of posting all the tweets of the day so that this page doesn’t become over burdened.
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Yahtzee,
I think that’s a good idea. I’ll be busy for the majority of the morning and early afternoon. When I get a chance to peek in, if there is need to open a new thread, I’ll do so.
Thanks for your hard work.
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My boss wasn’t at work today. She had to report for jury duty…We don’t know if its for this trial or not… 52 y/o White woman.
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Interesting!
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Mindyme, hmmmm. Maybe if she doesn’t come to work tomorrow, you’ll know if she was selected to serve on a jury that could be Dunn’s jury.
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Oh oh!
still in>> Juror 52 a white woman, knows about original trial, but thought the mistrial was cuz jury couldn’t agree on sentencing.
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I worry about that, too, Shannon.
I think Juror #2 is siding with Dunn.
She is a White woman who has strong opinions that she can put aside. However, I think she thinks Jordan should have politely listened to Dunn and turned the music down without engaging verbally with Dunn:
Juror #2, a white female says she has a very strong opinion of case but can put it aside.
Juror 2 heard about case. Can set “strong” opinion aside. Sequestration ok.
Juror #2 believes if parties used “courtesy, respect” we wouldn’t be here right now.
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#2 sounds like Zimmerman juror who said ‘both of them could’ve avoided this” or whatever that bitch said on cnn.
I’m disgusted that bigots wont acknowledge when a grown man has a gun that it’s HIS entire responsibility to avoid getting into any kind of altercation! A grown man with a gun and concealed weapons permit is what separates this from him and a teenager sharing responsibility.
Dunn knew what he was doing when he decided to pull up next to them. Dunn was the one who started the confrontation & he’s the only one who did anything violent, aggressive and illegal.
that woman wouldn’t expect her teenage son to sit quietly, especially with a bunch of his teenage friends he’s hormonally obligated to empress, while some dumbass old man bitches about their music!
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shannoninmiami ,I concur 100%.
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Co-sign 100%, Shannon.
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HA! So she doesn’t understand that Dunn’s sentencing was continued until after the retrial and it’s up to the judge and not the jury. This is too much like the Zimmerman jurors who entered a verdict while admitting that they did not understand the law.
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hey, I was pointing out that that 52yo white woman may be MindyMe’s boss! gotta see today if she goes back to work!
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Shannon,
It would be interesting to know if it is her boss.
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Laura Hettiger KMOV…… @LauraKHettiger · 15m
Another official in #EastStLouis out after scandal. This time, it’s Asst. police chief after 24yo woman says he sexually assaulted her @kmov
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People are tweeting about the 2 town meetings about to begin in Ferguson at this link:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/ferguson
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Staci D Kramer…. @sdkstl · 8m
Media ban at work RT @davidhunn: Just got kicked out of DOJ #Ferguson meeting at Our Lady of Guadalupe. Signed in, showed ID, sat down.
Staci D Kramer …. @sdkstl · 50s
Tonight’s resident-only #Ferguson town halls, closed to media, are being run by DoJ’s Community Relations Services. http://www.justice.gov/crs/what-we-do
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Yahtzee, why are they asking for identification?
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Because only residents of Ferguson are allowed in.
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Thanks.
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Shawndrea Thomas @ShawndreaThomas · 39m
A copy of a document released at #ferguson town hall meeting with topics of discussion http://fb.me/1J8jcI2I3
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Under #4 at this link it says
“Neither Ferguson Police Department nor the City of Ferguson possess any of the military equipment used during the protest. We received generator and a couple of Humvees that were painted as part of our outreach for children under the D.A.R.E. and school resource officer program. The other Humvee will be used for inclement weather.
“Our police department doesn’t use or possess tear gas, rubber bullets, stingers or any of the items used during protest.”
To me this is meaningless because, UNLESS Police Chief Jackson says he DIDN’T ask other LE agencies to bring this stuff in during the protest, he and his force are not free from blame.
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Splitting hairs … and dissing the horror that they started, fed, and KEEP feeding. SMH.
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I agree, Annie.
Plus….they are avoiding are not answering the complaints of the protestors.
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avoiding and not answering
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The Ferguson Chief of Police is 100 percent to blame. He opened his jurisdiction to be occupied by other jurisdictions using military weapons and force upon his citizens.
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Also here:
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From London:
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Canada
From Halifax, Nova Scotia
“Hands Up Dont Shoot JUSTICE 4 Mike Brown in Halifax Nova Scotia”
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Super cool!
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Yay!! Thank you, Halifax.
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How sweet it is! The ret of the world, IS NOW ONCE AGAIN, “SEEING THIS COUNTRY, FOR WHAT IT TRULY IS!” BTW, IT’S NOT HE GREATEST COUNTRY, IN THE WORLD, IT’S FAR FROM IT!!!!!
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Here is a video of the rally that the above photo was announcing:
“Stand Up To Racism” organized a Hands Up! Don’t Shoot! protest outside the US embassy in London asking for justice for Michael Brown the unarmed black teenager who was shot dead by police in Ferguson, Missouri on the 9th August
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The photo of the above poster (which is disappearing at times here) noted that
“Stand Up to Racism” called for the rally
and was supported by:
“Unite Against Facism”
“Love Music Hate Racism”
“One Society Many Cultures”
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Cool!
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Yes!
Ferguson has support from around the world!
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Antonio French…. @AntonioFrench · 2h
“@ZakiyaNaemaJack: Used pictures from @AntonioFrench’s twitter feed to create this video, Please Don’t Shoot.
Please Don’t Shoot by Jackson Beelen
Song, lyrics and performance by Jackson Beelen.
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From this morning. So far these potential jurors are still in. Apparently 50 or the 100 potential jurors have made it through the first round. This means that some were not questioned or that the reporters did not tweet about all of them.
Juror #73 says she knows about case. Can set opinions aside. Served on jury before.
Juror 73, a white woman
Juror 92, a black woman, knows a little about case. Said coworkers were upset another young black man was killed.
Judge denies motion to strike juror 92.
Juror 100 knows all about case from wife.
Juror 100 knows dunn fled the scene. But mistakenly believes he fled to st. Augustine.
Hanania asks juror 100 if he would lean on way or the other. He said he wouldn’t.
Of the 100 jurors screened so far 50 get through the first round.
New batch of 40 jurors now enters the courtroom.
(From tweets by Larry Hannan and Leslie Coursey)
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50 ***of*** not “or”
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Shaun King …. @ShaunKing · 2h
<emSo Angry. Somebody set the Mike Brown memorial on fire in the middle of the night.
pic.twitter.com/9M7C9uzl4o
Mike Brown is not a memorial that anybody can burn down. This an unconquerable movement driven by a new generation of bold women & men.
Charles Wade…. @akacharleswade · 1h
These #Canfield residents are hurt and pissed. #Ferguson
Some folks are saying it smells like gas. The smell is definitely alcohol or gas-like. It’s familiar but I can’t place it. #Ferguson
Laura Hettiger KMOV @LauraKHettiger · 3h
Cousin of #MikeBrown looks at where a teddy near memorial used to be https://twitter.com/LauraKHettiger/status/514389878705238016/photo/1
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Mike Brown’s memorial was rebuilt today and there was a vigil there tonight:
Antonio French retweeted
Charles Wade @akacharleswade · 51m
Vigil… #MikeBrown #Canfield #Ferguson
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByQxP1JCAAAZJ9g.jpg:large
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Here is the DOJ document showing what the DOJ is requesting from Ferguson (PD) —->
Click to access DOJ+Doc+Request+-+First+Request.pdf
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yahtzeebutterfly,what the DOJ is requesting from Ferguson PD is above their pay grade,those documents request is shown that Ferguson PD is on a heap of trouble,
big troubles ahead for the department and officers!
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I wonder if on page 9, the FPD will supply the DOJ w.the new ‘Feed the Animals’ continuing education syllabus?
I wonder if this ‘course’ is considered state sponsored since FDP actually pays the officer to take it and/or holding it on state funded property???
I mean is this legal? are the taxpayers actually paying for the pigs to take this racist hate based continuing edu course??? I mean the audacity of the instructor to print this up and circulate it is pretty telling of the mentality the FDP. I just cant believe it.
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Great score, yahtzee! Most interesting. Thank you.
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Any potential juror that blames Jordan Davis of his murder by Dunn need to be excused
for serving as juror,they already are biased against Davis because they are blind to recognize that the adult murderer Dunn was the one who created and escalated the situation.
Juror #2,Juror #33 they are clearly lying, they can’t be impartial!
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Joseph…
I just saw this. It was posted yesterday after this tweeter said “questioning ends for the day” at which time I had closed down.
Larry Hannan @LarryHannan · 20h
Defense wants jurors 2, 6, 13 and 42 bounced.
Larry Hannan @LarryHannan · 20h
State agrees to bounce juror #2 but not 6, 13 or 42.
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More from yesterday:
LarryHannan @ LarryHannan
Hanania says those three jurors all had strong opinions and were evasive about putting those opinions aside.
Prosecution agrees #42 can be dismissed.
Healey dismisses #13 says #6 could stay.
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66 jurors have made it through the first round. Second round questioning begins at 2 pm.
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Larry Hannan @LarryHannan · 19m
12 of the 66 jurors have concealed carry permits. All 12 are white. #dunntrial
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Leslie Coursey…. @LeslieANjax
Jury pool shrinking. From 140 to 66.
Larry Hannan … @LarryHannan
It appears as if 66 jurors made it through the first round. Second round questioning begins at 2 pm.
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ATLANTIC BEACH, Fla. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement informed the city that they are conducting a criminal investigation into Atlantic Beach Police Chief Mike Classey. Classey was placed on administrative leave on Friday, and resigned today. His resignation was effective immediately.
The police department is referring all those wanting details to the FDLE.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/atlantic-beach-police-chief-resigns-amid-criminal-investigation/28203722
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According to WJXT-TV’s tweets, it looks like 12 jurors and 4 alternates will be chosen from the current pool of 60. Judge Healey expects for opening statements to begin on Thursday.
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Larry Hannan @LarryHannan · 17m
13 of the 66 potential jurors are military veterans.
Three NRA members on jury pool.
Corey asks jurors how they feel about loud music.
Corey raises issue of dunn being white and Davis and other teens being black. Hanania objects to line of questioning.
Healey ends jury selection for day. Racial questions will be asked Wednesday.
Jury selection will resume at 9:30 am on Wednesday.
Healey said he’s relatively hopeful jury selection can conclude Wednesday.
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Thanks again, yahtzee.
One question: Is Healey the same judge that presided over the first trial?
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Yes, he is, Annie.
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Thank you.
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Those questions about race are important and since Corey raises them this time, it tells me that they plan on entering Dunn’s letters and other evidence of his racial bigotry into evidence.
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Oh, I think you are right, Xena.
(I had been wondering what Corey and her team might do differently in this retrial.)
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They’re going for a conviction of murder in the first degree. That means that prosecutors have to prove premeditation designed to effect the death of the person killed or any human being. I would think that the fact that Dunn continued shooting at the SUV as it was pulling away indicates premeditation to kill the occupants. The jury needs to hear that.
Also, if Dunn takes the stand in this trial, and gives his interpretation that an unsolved murder is self-defense when the perpetrator is caught and arrested, prosecutors should ask him if he learned that in required classes to qualify for his conceal carry license.
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Also, that witness standing to the right of Dunn’s car saw Dunn’s gun on his car seat before he used it.
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Yahtzee,
THAT’S RIGHT. I had forgotten about that testimony. Thanks for the reminder.
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Xena, Just to clarify…….with the safety training for the Concealed Carry……you only teach the safe operation of a gun and make sure the person can safely handle one, you do not teach any laws dealing with self-defense or carry.
The State will give you some pamphlets about concealed carry but there is no legal requirement to have it taught to them. It is up to the individual to learn the laws.
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Towerflower,
Thanks for the info. I have an explanation. Do you remember a blogger called TheHinkyMeter? After the Casey Anthony case, that blogger took their blog down, but opened one that had one page, which was about her/his experience qualifying for a conceal carry license in the state of Florida. I can’t find that blog now. (It might have been taken down too. It’s been over a year since I last visited it.) I specifically remember that person sharing about taking instructions, and what the instructor taught about conceal carry and the law of self-defense. It was my impression that the class that the writer spoke of was mandatory.
I might have been mistaken and thought that the pamphlets were an actual class.
With that said, anyone who carries a gun should be required to know the laws of self-defense. The States should make that mandatory just like they require that those wanting a driver’s license first take and successfully pass a rules of the road test before they get into a car to take the driver’s portion of the exam. No wonder there are people walking around with guns thinking they can kill as long as they say they were afraid.
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Xena, I have the credentials to teach the safety portion for a concealed license. The course that we are to teach is from the NRA and it goes strictly into the safe operation of a firearm and a few other areas like how to properly store a firearm. We (Instructors) are not lawyers or LE and as such to teach these things could open the Instructor to lawsuits.
I don’t remember the blogger so I can’t comment about that…..but I do know that there are many different levels of instruction. I heard recently from a friend that took a “course”, the Instructors didn’t bother to get the training materials from the NRA and never went over safety or operation of a firearm but it was mainly a shooting event. I cringed when I heard it and gave the person the NRA materials.
Another important thing to realize is that the state only requires a person takes a NRA safety course……there are many types of safety courses…..shotgun, rifle, pistol, hunting, blackpowder, etc. A person can get a CCL with a safety course on shotgun. Also if you are military you don’t need it, just produce proof that you were in the military. I can tell you from my time in the Navy, while we had the opportunity to shoot, they didn’t go into that much. You get what you paid for and a short course with no shooting (to prove that they can handle the firearm safely) is questionable to me. The classroom portion should take at least 4 hrs and include a test (the NRA supplies all of this). You’ll be surprise how many are instructors for the $$ and not for the safety of it.
The most I heard from my Instructors was an author who is also a lawyer in the Central Fla area (not the fool on twitter). He wrote a book on FL’s gun laws and they suggested that people buy that book to educate themselves. The state gives you pamphlets with the CCL that touch on the laws, but it has always been up to the individual to educate themselves and take the responsibility to learn.
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Towerflower, before I forget, butterflydreamer found the link to the blog. http://thehinkymeter.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/why-george-zimmermans-syg-defense-wont-stand/
Reading it again, the writer might have taken CCL classes in Oklahoma and not Florida.
In Illinois, military personnel receive so many “points” for the first class and are only required to take the second portion — or something like that. I noticed that in my area, instructors are offering the first 8 hours of class for free. There must not be many people interested in conceal carry or at least, not as many people as the instructors assumed. Most of the shootings in the city where I live are done by cops, with the rest being gang related or nutty family members killing each other.
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Great thought … and I sure hope you’re right, Xena!
Do you [or anyone] know what witness(es) (other than Dunn) could authenticate them? I didn’t follow the case and don’t know how the letters became public … like, maybe they’re copies routinely made by jail staff? Also, are they widely considered likely to fit under some hearsay exception?
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Annie,
As I understand it, all mail in the jail, outgoing and incoming, is read by staff. Dunn would not have been able to send any letters without them first being read by staff. As far as copying and when they are copied, I don’t know.
Any letters that Dunn wrote are not hearsay because they were written by him. Letters coming to him might fall into hearsay unless the person who wrote it testifies to its contents.
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Xena,
I remember The Hinky Meter…..Is this what you are looking for?
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“Dept. of Justice Civil Rights Division to hold Ferguson meeting tomorrow”
(It will be on Wednesday, September 24 at St. Louis Community College)
http://www.stlamerican.com/news/local_news/article_84d9088e-435f-11e4-a082-9f63b836943b.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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I think that’s great news – keeping the people aware that they (the feds) ARE working on a Ferguson Police Department investigation, rather than maintaining complete silence, which the feds usually tend to do (for good reasons).
Releasing SOME information – even if it’s not anything detailed – will help people (myself included) maintain some sanity while we watch local officials stall and stonewall and appear completely unconcerned about the horrific murder that several people actually witnessed!
From another article:
The meeting is open to all members of the public, officials said.
DOJ representatives also will explain how this investigation differs from the other investigations being conducted by the department, officials said in a meeting announcement.
The Civil Rights Division’s Special Litigation Section is investigating allegations that Ferguson police officers “use excessive force, including unreasonable deadly force; violate the law in how they stop, search, and arrest citizens; and engage in discriminatory policing practices,” according to the announcement.
The investigation also will consider Ferguson’s citation and municipal court system, the notice stated.
. . .
Those who can’t attend the meeting but would like to contact the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division about the investigation can do so at community.ferguson@usdoj.gov or 1-855-856-2132.
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2014/09/23/doj-calls-public-meeting-wednesday-on-ferguson.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bizj_national+%28Bizjournals+National+Feed%29
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Yes, Annie, I feel it will help…it has a settling effect on me.
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“A Walmart is Not a War Zone: Photos from The Journey for John Crawford”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/22/1331688/-A-Walmart-is-Not-a-War-Zone-Photos-From-The-Journey-For-John-Crawford
Excerpt:
On Monday, September 22nd, more than 100 men and women set off from a Walmart in Beavercreek, Ohio–a predominantly white suburb of Dayton–and walked 11 miles to the Greene County Courthouse in Xenia, OH. On August 5th, a 22 year old black man named John Crawford was gunned down and killed by white police officers at that Beavercreek Walmart for the crime of holding an unloaded BB gun in the store’s toy aisle. Protesters and concerned citizens honored the life of John Crawford and called for the release of the surveillance tapes that are being held by Ohio attorney general Mike Dewine so that the truth of this young man’s murder can see the light of day.
The march, which was led by the Ohio Student Association, a progressive youth organizing group based out of Columbus, was conducted today to coincide with the convening of a grand jury at the Greene County Courthouse to determine if there’s enough evidence to indict the officers for Crawford’s murder (spoiler alert: there is).
http://images.dailykos.com/images/107289/large/2014-09-22_15.03.07.jpg?1411434749
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BrownBlaze @brownblaze · 8h
Strategizing with organizers here in Dayton on how to build POWER. The display of evil in Ferguson…
http://instagram.com/p/tSs0luNVBB/
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So much injustice.
So many unarmed victims of police brutality.
So many innocent victims of profiling and stereotyping.
When will it end?
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Yahtzeebutterfly,
Think of it like this. The Native Americans were on this land before Europeans arrived, and the profiling, prejudice, inequality, and stereotyping has not ended for them.
I so wish I could be optimistic and say “I have a dream today,” but as it is, it’s only a dream, and I must continue to walk in the belief that “a dream conceived in truth never dies.”
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Guess I’ll just continue clinging to hope, clinging to the “dream conceived in truth.”
And now let’s take it up high, high, high.
Give our dreams their wings to fly.
Gotta keep the fire, and keep the fire burnin’.
Keep the hope alive, you gotta keep it turning.
Feel the music from your head, to your toes, to your shoes.
Kick em off, and take a deep breath, and shake off the blues.
This is a brand new day,that you can pave the way
Because everything is possible, shout and say, “Hey, hey”
I got it goin’, I got it going on and
Keep on pushin up and, I’ll march and move along…
(from Tim McMorris – “Give Our Dreams Their Wings To Fly”)
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But even with these problems, I’m the eternal optimist.
I keep on pushin’ forward
When it hurts, and when I’m sick of it,
I sit and then I think a bit
Get up again and recommit.
To be a part of something that can bring about some benefit.
Gotta bring change, from the inside out.
Gotta stand up, lift our voice and shout.
Gotta turn it around.
(Tim McMorris lyrics from “Turn It Around”)
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Back to Ferguson, MO … here’s something that gave me a chuckle.
(Google news has other articles about it, too, but I haven’t read them yet. And I hope this hasn’t been covered here already and I just didn’t see it.)
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/09/23/ferguson-residents-begin-using-body-cameras-to-record-police/
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Yay! That’s super!
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Alright!
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OK, I am going to be the first one to say that one day I’m really going to get myself in trouble for opening my mouth to the wrong person. I’m set in my ways, and at my age I don’t have any desire to change.
I’m going to be frank. I don’t understand most people, or their attitude, or even their priorities in life. Racism absolutely disgusts me, but so does the indifference to reaching out to someone that may need help.
I told a middle aged guy to “make the world a better place and go jump off a bridge” yesterday. As he sat in his truck, looking at me like I was nuts, I said: “no, wait here. I’ll be back in about 30 minutes so I can have the pleasure of watching you”.
Here is what happened, and yes, in my eyes it’s racist!
I had gone to the store for a few groceries, and stopped at the gas station afterwards. There was a man fueling his truck at the pump next to me when he looked up and said: “Ut Oh….Here comes trouble! Better get in your car lady.” I looked up and saw 2 teens, (both black) walking toward the gas station. I looked at them very closely, and saw they had been walking for awhile, due to being covered in perspiration, and they appeared to be counting and pooling their money. As they got closer I said “Hey guys, how are ya?” They quickly told me they had run out of gas on their way home from school, (the high school is about a mile or more down the road) and they asked me if I knew how much a gas can cost? I told them probably about 10 – 15 dollars plus the gas. Then Mr. Racist piped up again with “See lady, all they want is a hand out!”
Now I’m getting pissed, (sorry)
The one boy had called and left a message for his mother, and the other boys parents were working, so that’s why they were walking. The one boy said his father had a gas can in the garage, but that was about 3 miles down the road, (not far from where I live.) I told them great…….hop in, and I’ll take you home to get it, and then bring you back to fill it up and drop you back off at your car. They looked dumb founded, and the thank you’s thank you’s didn’t stop……..until………Mr. Racist sarcastically muttered: “Ha! I’ll be sure to let the police know I was last one to see you alive when they find you dead on the side of the road. And then under his breath, dumb bitch.”
Hence my suggesting he jump off a bridge? (And no, I didn’t mumble or say it under my breath)
The boys got the can, and the gas, and when I dropped them at the car they offered me all of the money they still had for helping them. ( 9 dollars and change…….LOL! How sweet is that?) I thought of the days when any one of my children could have needed help. I smiled and hugged them, refused their money, and left.
I live in the south and see this often. This guy at the station probably had a gun in the cab, and a rifle in the back. God knows, I really need to keep my mouth shut!
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Great personal story, Kindheart!
That racist should be ashamed…..sadly, probably has no shame.
(Did you specify how high the bridge should be? 🙂 )
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Oh Yahtzee,
This is an area where the Confederate Reenactment is heart felt, and racism runs deep.
Did I specify how high the bridge should be? ……LOL
I’ll have to remember that, as I’m sure I’ll suggest it again in the near future.
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Good for you kindheart….I love the part where you told him to wait, you’ll be back in 30 min to watch.
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Kindheart,
I am happy that you opened your mouth and that God knows he gave it to you, and your ability to open it, so you would and will.
“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.” 2 Tim 1:7
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Who caused the fire? It reportedly started about 6:30 am… I keep hearing about gunfire and looting, but no reliable reports of anyone being injured by gunfire, is this just an excuse to keep the police presence acceptable to some people?
http://news.msn.com/us/fire-at-memorial-to-slain-teen-evening-violence-fuels-tensions-in-missouri
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Mothman, l tried following Twitter about the fire of Michael’s memorial, in addition to last night’s protests. At least the people rebuilt the Memorial. We will never know how the fire started. About the protests, there are conflicting reports. Details now show that the store that was reported to have been looted was not looted.
Ferguson police and those forces they call upon, should realize that the wait for the grand jury’s decision is not helping matters. People want to know why Darren Wilson has not been arrested. The powers that be in Ferguson need to give the people answers.
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I read that the city council has already “tabled” the idea of a establishing a citizen’s review committee, too. They sure are STUBBORN!
(Hehe… They’re also probably really SWAMPED due to the DOJ investigation info request as well as some civil litigation! 😀 )
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Annie,
Yep. They are satisfied with the foxes guarding the hen house.
I actually think there should be a citizen’s board that interviews applicants for law enforcement positions. Since they have to work among the citizens to “serve and protect,” then citizens should have input into whether or not they are hired.
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Leslie Coursey… @LeslieANjax · 1h
Angela Corey asking potential jurors if they watch “CSI.” Reminds them it’s fiction.
State attorney Angela Corey asking potential jurors about race. Says she would be “remiss if she didn’t hit this topic head on.”
Larry Hannan… @LarryHannan · 56m
Corey now starts to explain premeditation to jurors. Iimportant because prosecutors have charged Dunn with first-degree murder.
Corey argues that you don’t need to have planned for days or weeks, just an intent to kill, even if it was seconds before crime
Corey done with her questioning. Defense attorney Waffa Hanania will now speak to jurors.
Three jurors have essentially been kicked off panel, but won’t be told they’re out until end.
Leslie Coursey… @LeslieANjax · 16s
Waffa Hannania, #MichaelDunn atty, starting to question potential jurors now.
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OT….. A grand jury refused to bring charges against the officers in the Wal-Mart shooting death of John Crawford. This shocks me……they need to release the tape of this shooting.
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This is horribly distressing news to me!
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towerflower,
I suspected that the officers used the call they received to prepare for situation as it was reported to them. The man who made that call should be arrested for obstruction of justice, which might then open the way for him to also be charged with manslaughter.
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Hi Xena,
“The man who made that call should be arrested for obstruction of justice,”
Exactly, do you remember Kendric McCade, IIRC the person who phoned 911 was charged in this case because he lied when he reported Kendric being armed when he was not. Hope the link will work. Pasadena shooting 2012
http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-pasadena-police-shooting-20140910-story.html
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Pen1,
The link works. Thanks for the info. In reading it, I was reminded about a call to Chicago 911 about a man who drove-by and threatened a person with a gun. 911 dispatch told the caller to call back if he was seen again. Also, I’m reminded of how Lake Mary police discouraged people from filing charges against George Zimmerman by asking if they actually saw a gun.
Then remember Jonathan Ferrell. That scared woman cost Jonathan his life based on her own fears.
I understand that the police have to be concerned with protecting themselves if they suspect that a “suspect” is armed, but going solely by the perception of the caller without further questioning by 911 dispatch conveys certain biases that extend beyond whether or not the “suspect” is armed.
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I agree that the Ritchie guy should face some sort of charges. He totally lied about Crawford waving the rifle around and loading it with bullets. While I understand that the officers thought they were going to encounter a nut based on Ritchie’s call, they still didn’t give him a chance..
I’m not convinced that the cops were discouraging people from filing charges against Z…..if anyone had seen a gun then it would have been a charge, that is why they asked. I managed to get a charge for a couple of teens who pointed what turned out to be an illegal air pistol (didn’t have an orange tip) at my son and his friend based on the fact that it was seen and not just threatened verbally. The charge….reckless display of a firearm…..is only a misdemeanor though.
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Towerflower,
Re:
Here is why I say that the cops asking that question was a discouragement to file charges — because they didn’t file any charges. It was not as if they told the people what charges could be filed so that the display of a firearm could be added — they simply asked if they saw a gun.
Good to hear that you worked at doing the right thing, and here’s hoping that those teens learned a lesson.
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“but going solely by the perception of the caller without further questioning by 911 dispatch conveys certain biases that extend beyond whether or not the “suspect” is armed.”
Xena, I cannot agree with you more. I believe Kindheart shared an encounter she experienced yesterday which clearly speaks of the perceptions/ biases of some; immediately concludes danger and undefinable fears.
Amazing how some are questioned regarding a weapon where others are taken at their word.
As always, you have a terrific blog site!
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Peni,
Thanks for your kind words, and thank you for participating here. The participants are what makes this a terrific site, and that includes you, dear friend.
There’s a case in Illinois that I’m waiting to see how it ends before reporting. It involves a false police report. It did not result in death, but that false police report completely ruined a young man’s life. He has cerebral palsy and of course, the cops didn’t understand his physical limitations. The victim has a pending lawsuit against the person who made the false police report, and the cops who abused him because of that false report.
That false report was intentionally false, and I think the man who called 911 from Wal-Mart intentionally embellished.
Years ago when I had contacts in Chicago, they told me of calling 911 and being interrogated. One person said that the only thing the operator didn’t ask was if she knew the suspicious person’s blood type.
I also read earlier that store personnel had been told to check things out and were in the process of doing that when the cops arrived at Wal-Mart. But then, anyone who has waited on a clerk in Wal-Mart to do something knows that they move when they want to, if they want to.
Campbell’s family should sue the store, and the guy who called in the false report. If nothing else, it might teach people to think twice before they call 911 reporting a “suspicious person” when the only thing that makes them suspicious is the color of their skin.
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Xena…..the problem with Z has always been that he is a smooth talker and liar. He can convince others easily with his lies and every incident with him has him blaming the other or denying a situation. So they were left with a he said/they said. Z says he never threatened the driver, yes they talked but that was it. The other driver says he was threatened. BUT if that driver said Z flashed a gun and describe it and Z had a gun with him….boom, they would arrest. This is how he got away with it in the Shellie incident. He made moves and placed his hand were his gun would be….leading Shellie to say he has his hand on the gun but when asked if she actually saw the gun she admitted no. No gun, no threat, intimidating yes.
With my son’s incident, I felt that the driver of the car and the owner of the pistol was truly remorseful and truthful when I spoke to him and his mother. I told the DA I would support a diversion program for him. The teen who actually pointed it was another story. He was arrogant and so was his father. The father knew I taught firearm safety and he told me his son would go shooting with him and he taught him never to point a gun at another person……..I told him he didn’t learn that very well since he pointed a gun at my son and his friend. He then started to verbally attack me, I was ruining his son’s life, it was only a “toy”, it was a joke—a joke I told him could’ve gotten his son or the other kids in the car killed. The cop who arrested him said he was cocky and reality didn’t set in until the cop told him if he had witnessed the event he would have shot him, only then did reality set in and he started to shake. The father even tried to bribe me by asking me what it would take for me to drop the charges. I told him I wasn’t inclined to, that if I let it go now and his son did something down the road in which someone was hurt then I couldn’t look myself in the mirror. I took the stand and didn’t back down……too bad the courts didn’t take a stand. His attorney got it dropped to Teen Court in which other teens decide on the punishment and my son or his friend were never called as witnesses. What a joke. A 17 yr old pulls a realistic gun on someone and gets teen court which amounts to a slap on the wrist, we didn’t even get I’m sorry from that one. The teen went on to brag about it on FB and I can just about guarantee that it won’t be his last brush with the law.
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Leslie Coursey @LeslieANjax · 14m
Hannania just said name of potential juror out loud. Big no-no. Sidebar with judge right now.
Sorry, but I have to wonder if this might have been intentional in order to gain a “freebie” dismissal of a potential juror. I hope my thinking is wrong.
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Trial lawyers definitely know better than that! It’s part of their “lingo” – i.e., routine practice and habit – to refer to jurors by number! Hannania is either a fool or very out-of-line.
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Right Annie. There is something about a person hearing their name that can convey one of two things depending on the situation. It can either convey a friendliness, like a familiarity. Or, it can convey intimidation, such as “the defendant will know your name if you sit on this jury and find him guilty.”
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Here’s another concern:
What is WRONG with them? Already dissing the judge’s orders! Have they no respect for the court of law? No appreciation of the solemnity of their duties and obligations?
SMH!!
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HA! And Annie, we can best believe that if they were on social media last night, they’ve been on it before discussing the case and forming opinions.
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More concern….let’s us know where defense is headed:
Larry Hannan… @LarryHannan
Hanania pointing out it’s the quality of evidence, not quantity of witnesses, that matter.
Jurors better pay CLOSE ATTENTION to testimony of Steven Smith, Dunn’s Wife, and others.
Hanania asks jurors who have family in law enforcement if they’re okay with her challenging cops. All jurors say they’re fine with aggressive questioning of cops.
Jurors better pay attention to initial question of Dunn by police investigators.
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News4JAX is now reporting that the judge is looking to seat 6 alternates in addition to 12 jurors. Yesterday, they were looking to seat 4 alternates.
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If anyone is up to watching the video of John Crawford being executed by the cops, it can be seen at the following:
http://www.whio.com/videos/news/walmart-shooting-surveillance-video-captures/vCtB6Z/
The surveillance video of Crawford in the store when the person called 911 can be seen at the following:
http://www.whio.com/news/news/crime-law/special-grand-jury-selected-john-crawford-case/nhRwM/
It’s now official in Ohio folks — anyone can call 911 and by their perception, give an ill-informed and false police report; the cops can kill you based solely on the perception of the caller, and there’s not a damn thing your family can do about it.
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The U.S. Department of Justice and the FBI just announced they will review the case of an officer-involved fatal shooting of John Crawford. IMHO, they should investigate the caller and see if he should be charged with committing a hate crime, using the cops as proxy.
http://www.abc22now.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/wkef_vid_22449.shtml#.VCMTcIQDbX1.twitter
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Great news. They need to tackle as many of these investigations as they possibly can – before a different administration takes over.
I agree about the caller, too.
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Preach it!
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12 jurors have now been selected. Now they turn to selecting alternates.
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Of the 12 chosen jurors:
7 white men,
3 white women,
1 Black man,
1 Black woman.
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That doesn’t smell good to me, at all.
Looks like Corey’s team lost another jury selection round … reminiscent of a Sanford trial that I recall.
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Annie,
I know what you mean. The thing with Zimmerman’s jury is that there were only 6. One of the 6 was uneducated, intimidated by those spouting to know attorneys or have an attorney in their family, and was placed under the emotional distress of experiencing racial bigotry for the first time.
Even if this jury finds Dunn guilty of the lesser charges, it will be good. He’s still looking at a minimum sentence of 60 years on the prior convictions, but Jordan still deserves justice.
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Xena, I know what you mean, too. But if it’s worth applying all these resources in a retrial, then it needs to end in a Murder 1 conviction because that’s what it was. Anything short of that – especially another mistrial or an acquittal – will reveal this as little more than an attempt at “piling on” to the 60 years he’s already looking at (but, importantly, hasn’t been sentenced to yet, either).
Getting back to the jury demographics, though…
First, I REALLY don’t like the 5:1 white-to-black ratio. (Duvall County’s population is 30% black – much higher than Florida’s overall black population of only 17%.)
This troubles me greatly, because I just don’t think most white people – perhaps especially in northern Florida and the South in general – have any clue about or perception of “white privilege” and the fundamentally different life experiences that blacks have compared to whites. And especially where there’s a white perp and a black victim, white jurors – consciously or not – just can’t adequately relate to a black male teenager (let alone a group of them) like they can to a white computer geek defendant (even if he is a weird unit). And we all could go on and on about this troubling aspect….
Second, I don’t like the 2:1 male-to-female ratio. (Duvall County’s population, like Florida overall, is pretty evenly split with about 51% females.)
I REALLY disliked the 100% female Sanford jury, but this is almost as bad, because men tend to dis’ female thinking, and women tend to acquiesce when they’re far outnumbered. (I realize I’m opening myself up to “misogyny” attacks again, but I’m just reflecting my life lessons.)
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If I had any confidence in Corey and her gang, I’d have some hope. But after Sanford and Dunn-1, I just am not able to view them as competent prosecutors. I mean, when you remember the Michigan prosecutors in the Ted Wafer trial, there is just NO COMPARISON! The Michigan prosecutors prosecuted vigorously and smartly. No so with Corey and her gang! I know you view Corey’s gang differently, but in my view they have not demonstrated prosecutorial competence.
All I can do is HOPE that they can get the job done this time. But – when you think about it – if they can, it might just prove that they did, in fact, HOLD BACK in Dunn1, like they definitely did in the zimmerthug case.
I offer all of this as my constitutionally-protected (if long-winded) opinion.
😉
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Larry Hannan @LarryHannan
Four alternates:
Two white females.
One white male.
One black female.
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Yahtzee,
In case you haven’t seen already, the breakdown and background of the jurors are on the new thread.
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I saw it above where I posted here. I will now go to the new thread. Thanks.
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There is no link to the new thread on this page, so I will click Blackbutterfly7 now to get to it.
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Sorry. You can find it on the right-side border under “Recent Posts” or go on the top menu and click “Home.” Please forgive me for not including the link.
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I have found it and have clicked “like”
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Yahtzee,
🙂
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Today: Dunn jury, Grand Jury re: John Crawford, Michael Brown…….. so much to take in
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Leslie Coursey @LeslieANjax
#MichaelDunn Trial will start at 12:15pm.
Judge confirms jury will work on Saturday.
Days will go from 9am to 5 or 6pm.
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You can click on this link to watch the taped video of the DOJ Ferguson community meeting that has just concluded.
The meeting has adjourned, and now individual residents can go to individual DOJ members to ask questions or submit complaints.
The media has been asked not to film these individual conversations in order that they stay private. The DOJ has assured residents that any conversation or info shared by residents will be kept private.
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930/videos/63042737/player?autoPlay=false&height=360&mute=false&width=640
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Bless you, yahtzee!
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And bless you for all of your great discussion comments under various articles! It is so good to have you here, Annie!
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Photo of members of DOJ at the meeting:
Audience photo:
Kayla M. Reed @RE_invent_ED
DOJ says all municiplaties are on notice in STL. This isnt just a ferguson isssue. It wont be tolerated anywhere #ferguson
Rebecca Rivas @Rebeccarivas
Residents afraid of talking if they have warrants, but DOJ says the information won’t be given to police
Emanuele Berry @Emanuelewithane
#DOJ is done speaking, people are asked to report claims at tables set up throughout the room.
Rebecca Rivas @Rebeccarivas
DOJ said they will be here as long as residents have questions tonight on Michael Brown case
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Here’s a super-silly comment!
You see the lady in the green dress, the emcee so to speak? And the lady to her left (our right) in the photo? Did anyone else notice a striking similarity in their dresses – the way they both had the horizontal “draping” look? They’re different variations on a theme, but I bet they both thought (and maybe said to each other) “WTH?” when they showed up at the meeting with similarly designed dresses.
It gave me a giggle, because I’ve been in situations like that meeting – where a group travels to investigate or inspect something, and everyone is in out-of-town travel mode. It’s difficult work to begin with, and then all kinds of challenges can arise – like you forgot your matching shoes or you spill something on the only outfit you brought, etc., etc. So I’m picturing them getting together ahead of time, looking at each other and saying: “Oh, jeez. Where did you get YOUR dress?” They might be federal investigators, but they’re still just people – and in this context, they’re still just women!
LOL!
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Annie,
Thanks for the laugh. Years ago, a friend attended her son’s wedding. She and her husband had divorced about 7 years earlier and her ex remarried. As mother of the groom, she took time selecting just the right dress, shoes and accessories.
She told me that at the wedding, her ex came in with his new wife. She looked at her shoes and guess what? They were wearing the same shoes. So, she said that she thought, “I’ll be damn if he didn’t go and marry another woman that has my same tastes in shoes.” LOL!
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You are such fun, Annie!
Yes, I noticed that their dresses had the same “horizontal draping” effect. While I was listening to the audio I spent sometime looking at the two dresses to see where each fold was located and noted the differences and similarities. LOL! 🙂
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Ferguson Chief of Police Tom Jackson apologizes. He wants to be part of the solution?!? He was part of the problem.
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