Ted Wafer Trial – July 29, 2014
It is really disturbing having to follow the trial without being able to watch it. So, the camera-person made a mistake on the first day. Can’t that be forgiven?
Yahtzee is doing a fabulous job following and reporting what reporters in the courtroom are tweeting. It’s lots of reading and I honor her for doing the job.
WXYZ-Detroit recaps yesterday’s testimony. They also report that Wafer might take the stand on Wednesday.
Posted on 07/29/2014, in Cases, Renisha McBride, Videos and tagged Renisha McBride, Ted Wafer, testimony, trial. Bookmark the permalink. 233 Comments.
We Hold These Truths To Be Self-Evident 
Court reconvenes at 9:00 a.m. this morning.
Here are 2 Twitter sites reporting the trial proceedings:
Oralandar brand-wms is a Detroit News reporter (courts beat): https://twitter.com/oralandar_DN
Mandi Wright, a photographer for the Detroit Free Press, tweets photos from the courtroom: https://twitter.com/DetroitMandi
LikeLike
LikeLike
Reblogged this on The ObamaCrat™.
LikeLike
good morning everybody!
LikeLike
Good Morning faux and everyone 🙂
” Live tweets: Firearms expert expected on stand today in Dearborn Heights porch shooting”
by ORALANDAR BRAND-WILLIAMS
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140729/METRO01/307290058/Live-tweets-Firearms-expert-expected-stand-today-Dearborn-Heights-porch-shooting
LikeLike
Theodore Wafer Trial”
http://www.courtchatter.com/p/blog-page_20.html
Excerpt from article:
“POSSIBLE SENTENCES
Wafer faces a maximum sentence of life in prison for the second-degree murder charge. Manslaughter carries a maximum penalty of 15 years in prison.
The additional felony firearm charge carries an additional mandatory penalty of two years; Michigan law imposes the two-year sentence when a person is in possession of a firearm while committing or attempting to commit a felony.
LikeLike
“Witnesses and Testimony in the Renisha McBride Murder Trial (RECAP)”
https://thetrialfile.wordpress.com/2014/07/29/witnesses-and-testimony-in-the-renisha-mcbride-murder-trial-recap/
LikeLike
Good Morning!
LikeLike
Medical Examiner’s report:
LikeLike
Police Report:
LikeLike
oralandar brand-wms @oralandar_DN · 3s
everybody’s just about in place this morn. court shld be starting soon in wafer trial..last juror coming in now
LikeLike
about four more prosecutorial witnesses to testify before defense puts on its case..pros. expected to rest wednesday.
LikeLike
court in session
LikeLike
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi · 1m
Trial in porch shooter case starting soon here @freep. A glimpse of #RenishaMcBride car after her crash.
LikeLike
pros and atty sidebar with judge first
sidebar over…
judge calls another case right quick..it’s an arraignment on information..real quick proceeding
LikeLike
def atty asks judge before jury comes in to allow pics of mcbride’s cell phone pix to rebut what pros saying. one pic has her w/gun..
mcbride’s aunt has said the gun is not real. carpenter: “why can’t i bring in cell phone pics to show she deals drugs” about mcbride
carpenter” “it is so critical to this case”
def atty: we plan to recall amber jenkins (mcbride’s best friend)
def atty:mcbride’s demeanor cld have changed since the accident. her blood alcohol was decreasing. don’t know about marijuana state.
LikeLike
def atty: her blood al. level decreasing and she is capable of causing damage to wafer’s doors
def atty: requesting that she be able to admit mcbride’s FB and Twitter acct where, she says, McBride’s handle was young and thugging
LikeLike
It’s pathetic that the only defense that TW’s attorney can offer now is to smear the victim. Disgusting and vile on the part of the defense.
LikeLike
Just what I was thinking, crustyolemothman!
LikeLike
oh gawd, this is sickening.
LikeLike
carpenter says FB of McBride shows she was first aggressor says at15 mcbride damaged someone else personal damage
pros athina siringas says McBride FBpage in no where shows evidence in the case. “c’mon…this case mr. wafer said this was an accident..
def atty objecting now to siringas’ remarks about ax shooting
pros says wafer had an oppor to see renisha mcbride and he can testify to what he heard..”did he say he’s in fear??”
LikeLike
pros says the FB info. is irrelevant..def atty now says “Mr. Wafer has a right not to testify.”
judge says photos are inadmissable here..they don’t tend to show the vic was the first aggressor
on twitter acct: seems as though she deactivated acct in june, 2012, says judge. photos don’t paint portrait of what hap. on porch nov. 2
judge: i dont think screen name young and thugging shows she was prob. first aggressor. says too long ago
LikeLike
If the defense insists that she was selling drugs then the pros should suggest that TW was a customer and must have owed her money causing her to be there to collect… I suppose that TW could have been in a drug induced rage when he murdered the victim, right. The defense needs to be careful, what they say can be turned around and used against them…
LikeLike
Love your comment, crustyolemothman!
LikeLike
How the HELL is it critical to this case? What does it even remotely have to do with it? I am SO sick of the victims being demonized – all toxicology reports for victims but not for shooters. Too much, just too damned much.
LikeLike
It has NOTHING to do with the case!
LikeLike
oralandar brand-wms @oralandar_DN
mcbride’s aunt has said the gun is not real. carpenter: “why can’t i bring in cell phone pics to show she deals drugs” about mcbride
– – – – – – –
i would think that *if* mbride was dealing drugs that she would have been found with a lot more than $56 on her as well as having more than the 1-2 blunts she smoked with her friend. (note: based on actual experience with real dealers)
LikeLike
I agree
Plus…remember….she had to go out to someplace to get a blunt before her friend went to Renisha’s house to play the drinking card game with her.
If she had been a drug dealer, she would have had the stuff on hand AT home BEFORE the card game.
LikeLike
good points. she would also likely have drugs in her car or on her person at the time of death as well.
this line of potential questioning is total bullshit with no basis in reality.
LikeLike
jury in now..judge doing daily check to make sure the jury has not been exposed to publicity/internet info on case
LikeLike
first witness up: james bivins
LikeLike
It sounds as if the defense has just now figured out they have no defense… They should have attempted to reach a plea for manslaughter…
LikeLike
First Witness – James Bivens
james a. bivens jr. is chief of wayne county prosecutor office criminal investigative unit
bivens is former detroit police department homicide dt.
pros has bivens look at map of area where wafer lives..its the outerdrive/west warren area..bivens and 7 inves. canvass area.
investigators went out 4 days and 4 night..and knocked on 80-100 doors..noone located who had info on the shooting. only one witness located
that was ray murad, who test. monday
his invest. took statements from mcbride’s mom and dad and best friend amber jenkins. pros done..def atty cross exam
def atty asking bivens about his interview with amber jenkins, mcbride’s best frnd
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi · 11s
James Bivens Jr. chief of the criminal investigation division for Wayne County Prosecutor’s Office, on stand.
LikeLike
bivens interviewed jenkins at a coney island parking lot. he says the location was at her request
sidebar after def atty asks bivens to go get his notes from upstairs (pros office in ct house) on interview with jenkins.
LikeLike
bivens interviewed jenkins nov. 21 about nov. 2 shooting..def atty asking why he waited so long
def atty asking bivens if wayco pros office has enuf investigators..
LikeLike
marie osborne @marieosbornewwj 37s
#TheodoreWafer judge rules photos FB & Twitter accounts can NOT be admitted by defense. Says they are too far removed from date of incident.
LikeLike
Just effin common sense!!!!
LikeLike
i’m happy as hell to see some, rachael.
LikeLike
Kinda wild, huh?
LikeLike
I thought this issue was all worked out pretrial.
Why is the defense bringing it up again?
The jury was not in the courtroom to hear about Renisha’s handle and twitter postings….let’s just hope that when the jury members go home that none of their relatives and friends will tell them about all of this!
LikeLike
Thank Goodness!
LikeLike
jury being excused for 5 min
judge asks def atty to find case law related to her request
everyone taking 5 min break
LikeLike
Thank you Yahtzee for the posts. I caught up here.
You would think by the 3rd or 4th request Carpenter would have case law recited by now! This isn´t the first Judge that has denied those request to submit the “evidence”. Unless Wafer saw McBride with a gun, or he was buying drugs from her, I see no relevance to that information. Wafer stated it was an accident. Most everything in Carpenters opening the Prosec. has shown to be untrue already. Carpenter is attempting to set up appealable issue in regards to the denial of the Judge.
LikeLike
I agree with you very logical posting, Dannywarrior.
LikeLike
”
oralandar brand-wms @oralandar_DN · 32m
def atty: her blood al. level decreasing and she is capable of causing damage to wafer’s doors”
Read that and think for a moment, the defense attorney is suggesting only that she was capable of damaging the door, and nothing else… It would seem that even the defense is now admitting that they have no real claim of potential injury or death possible to TW….
LikeLike
I agree! They are now attempting to show that TW had a reasonable fear due to Renisha´s possible temperment. But, we already know she could not have been aggressive, loud, and there may have been no interaction what so ever until he opened the door and shot, because TW´s neighbor heard very little. No shouting, no talking ….
LikeLike
And, everyone at the accident scene said Renisha was calm and not confrontational.
LikeLike
That as well.
Has it ever been determined when and why TW bought the gun? Early on I heard he had paintballs shot at his car & he had believed those people came back. I also heard he had renewed a PFA on a women.
LikeLike
A gun to combat kids playing with paintball shooters?? That’s like a person shooting dead a person who throws popcorn at him in a theater!
LikeLike
“It would seem that even the defense is now admitting that they have no real claim of potential injury or death possible to TW….”
yep!
LikeLike
So is the defense attorney saying that thousands upon thousands of our youth should be shot dead because they have a groovy twitter handle and have alcohol and drugs in the blood??
LikeLike
This break is turning out to be longer than 5 minutes.
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
#TheodoreWafer in court during 5 minute break during day 4 of his trial in the fatal shooting of #RenishaMcBride
LikeLike
wow, even watching the ‘great’ seal of florida during court breaks was more interesting than waiting for a tweet to pop up
LikeLike
Not for me, the crooked seal drove me nuts (well actually more nutz!)…
LikeLike
perhaps, but it beats the crap out of twitter.
LikeLike
Just a minor observation… While Zimmerman put on weight for his trial to show that he was too fat to counter the alleged attack from Trayvon, it seems that TW has lost weight to indicate he was to frail to fight off an attack without the aid of a gun…
LikeLike
In his defense…. He has little legal defense! The man is aware he may spend the rest of his life in prison.
As for GZ his a$$ got fat on purpose(still is fat) to gain and keep sympathy from his following that he once had an active life that is now ruined because of a “malicious prosecution”.
LikeLike
good point, that I hadn’t heard before. maybe the state should’ve emphasized how active that fat bitches lifestyles was.esp since he was training 3x wk 3hrs a day in MMA so he could be in top shape to chase & detain imaginary ‘suspects’ far better than throwing them around like when he was a ‘bouncer’
LikeLike
Ah. The State of Florida fumbled that case so bad! Would have thought how long it lasted we would have had a detailed account from the moment GZ laid eyes on TM!
His whole life is imaginary! Anyone who puts any faith in this guy from now on will have blood on their hands. They are enablers, and very very naive to just how manipulative he is! He will hurt someone else again.
LikeLike
I really wish he’d hurt himself. or better yet. run up to a real thug & get his face bashed into the sidewalk. that wld be poetic justice. esp when/if he survived and hospitalized in a coma, w/his skull cracked open and his brains shoved back in, I’d personally like to ask him why he wasn’t wearing his invisible helmet that he wore the night he killed a boy.
LikeLike
tubs has a job now. working security at Pampano Pat’s in Deland.
LikeLike
Was gonna say….I can envison him in full out riot gear awaiting those dang gun thefts coming to steal that precious mental he loves! Lol.
LikeLike
ct back in session: def atty arguing that bivens notes are “discovery” for the case and that defense is entitlted to them
LikeLike
Is this lady getting instruction on how to try this case from the MOM/West team?
LikeLike
Absolutely….taint the information going to the public and hope that friends or relatives of jurors tell the jurors about it when the jurors return home!!
LikeLike
def atty tells judge (jury not in court right now) she wants to see bivens note because there are 2 state wits. who contradict each other
LikeLike
If one were to question that there are two Pro witnesses that contradict each other, how does the defense answer that the one main witness that they will call has already contradicted himself more times than that?
LikeLike
Good point!
LikeLike
Really would have enjoyed seeing this legal argument unfold. :-\
If I remember correctly this happened during GZ trial with medical examiner. Judge allowed it but not as evidence and copies were destroyed. The cause was because he was relying on his notes for testimony which is not allowed.
What does the card game hours prior to even the accident have to do with the shooting in the eyes of the defense? That Renisha was in a rage 9, 10, 11 hours later? Other witnesses have made statements about her behavior after the accident.
Knowing the trial is almost over, I agree with Prosc…..delaying on purpose.
She would be able to point out the contradictions during closing arguments!
LikeLike
def atty” after reading case law:”it is clear your honor we are entitled to those notes.”
pros objects say “no where” in this case law does it say note
Pros: case law says you get the report or statement but not underlined notes
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Cheryl Carpenter says case law indicates defense entitled to notes.
LikeLike
pros: “if you want to know what mr. bivens has. go talk to mr. bivens. she knew about mr. bivens.” says now def attywants to interrupt trial
def atty objects strongly to pros. characterization of her..issue is about amber jenkins statements to Bivens
def atty says the issues about the statement is about the time frame and whether amber jenkins left cause mcbride upset from card game
def atty says notes essential about mcbride’s demeanor. “i need to know what the notes say ..who is shading the truth here.
LikeLike
judge gonna review case law on the issue
LikeLike
defense attorney sounds as if she is in a total melt down. would hand over everything in my wallet to be able to see this in action — and that includes a 1921 morgan silver dollar, but almost no cash.
LikeLike
🙂
LikeLike
LMAO
LikeLike
oralandar brand-wms @oralandar_DN · 27s
judge off the bench to review case law about sharing of notes from investigators
LikeLike
judge back on bench
judge rules defense not entitled to bivens notes: this is diff. than police rough notes. judge says def can raise again w/other police wit
LikeLike
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Judge Hathaway agrees with prosecution regarding notes.
LikeLike
With the words from the defense attorney in mind, I suspect that TW will not testify… Hopefully I am wrong, I would like to hear how he can explain his thought that the gun he put the shells into was unloaded and accidently discharged!
LikeLike
i cannot imagine how he cannot testify. there is absolutely no evidence that could support carpenter’s opening statement unless he does. but it is clear now that she is grasping at straws in total desperation.
LikeLike
Thick as a Brick
LikeLike
Agreed, but can she allow him to testify and contradict what she alleged in her opening statement? The defense is in a hard spot, and digging a hole that gets deeper the more they talk….
LikeLike
to her credit — at least she did not start off with a knock knock joke. so she’s got that going for her 😉
LikeLike
yeah….and a knock knock joke would have been more appropriate to this knocking-at-Wafer’s-door case than to West’s case.
LikeLike
…..but very sick
LikeLike
def atty asks judge for notes from dearborn heights sgt gurka(spelling?)..judge says”if they are notes I shld at least take a look at them..
to see if you are entitled..gurka just rose said no notes. jury comes back in
LikeLike
lord help me, now she’s asking for some other LE notes. kinda thick in the head, isn’t she?
LikeLike
“Thick as a Brick”
and we “wise” people can’t empathize with her because we don’t know
“how it feels to be thick as a brick.”
LikeLike
❤ 😀 ❤
LikeLike
bivens coming back on stand
def atty proceeding with cross exam of bivens
LikeLike
def atty asks bivens how many witnesses they got..he says again one and that another inves. spoke with murad. that interv occured a wk later
def atty cheryl carpenter asking bivens why: “i have no idea.” givens says
LikeLike
def atty asks bivens about the golden “first 48 hours” optimum time, she says, is best time to conduct interviews and inves on case
LikeLike
bivens says neighbors told him wafer quiet and wld stick to himself
def atty showing bivens map of wafer’s neighborhood
this map being shown to bivens also extends up to mcbride’s family’s home on whitcomb street
LikeLike
map also includes brammell right where mcbride had car crash and now wafer’s home.
LikeLike
bivens inves. team also canvassed area where accident occurred
bivens’ team also went up and down warren avenue which is the main street that brammell street runs off and not far from wafer’s home
def atty asks bivens why inves didnt go to nearby 24-hr gas station on warren..east of accident scene
def atty: “it remains a mystery where she went in that 3 hour (time frame). it’s like she disappeared..”
LikeLike
def atty also asks bivens if he wld want to know if mcbride went to a drug house or not .bivens say it didn’t matter where.def done.
LikeLike
Def. attorning just had to say it…..so low down!!!
LikeLike
She is really Don West in a skirt….
LikeLike
Hang on a min. Carpenter was saying the BCA was dropping which could have allowed Renisha to damage a door (which has no evidence of being damaged), yet poses that she was at a drug house? What smoking pot? Drinking more?
Sure. Makes sense! Not! The girl stayed at a drug house and got not even a bandaid for the cut on her hand! Called no–one and didn´t ask for a ride! Oh and she left with $ and had no drugs on her at the time of death!
Who can believe this?
LikeLike
no one in their right mind. beyond that, it is completely irrelevant to the crime of her client.
LikeLike
pros. redirecting..asking him to review mom’s statement. monica mcbride
pros now asking about bivens earlier statements during cross about comments on 1st 48 . he now explains inves. process
LikeLike
bivens says despite budget issues in wayne county pros office..he was able to conduct thorough investigation in wafer trial
pros asking about murad interview ..date was nov. 9. def atty cheryl carpenter asks now about monica mcbride statements to investigator
LikeLike
bivens done before some discussion about monica mcbride’s statements to the effect that she had told her daughter to stay home.
monica mcbride has testified to that. her testimony was about renisha mcbride finishing housework
LikeLike
Breaking News-George Zimmerman finds work as security guard in DeLand store.
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/report-george-zimmerman-finds-work-security-office/ngqLk/
LikeLike
Shit!
LikeLike
A bit dangerous for the public, I would guess….
LikeLike
Remember this March 29, 2012 article?
>George Zimmerman lost job as party security guard for being too aggressive, ex-co-worker says”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-lost-job-party-security-guard-aggressive-ex-co-worker-article-1.1053223
Excerpt:
“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”
The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.
“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”
LikeLike
I know!
The fool can not stay away from firearms or things related to them.
Pompano Pats Deland Burglary
LikeLike
What a liability for that store owner! With a watchdog like that his insurance rates must have soared! 😉
LikeLike
they have a FB page, just sayin’…. 🙂
LikeLike
😉
LikeLike
From the article Joseph posted above:
DELAND, Fla. — According to a DeLand police report, George Zimmerman has found work as a security guard at Pompano Pats in DeLand.
Pompano Pats is a locally-owned store on South Woodland Boulevard that sells firearms, ammunition and motorcycles.
The report stated that the owner of the business asked Zimmerman to guard the store due to a recent burglary.
LikeLike
second pros. witnesses up: shawn kolonich..MSP forensic firearms expert on stand now. being ques. by pros terry anderson
getting objection from def atty cheryl carpenter: its about his training..he cldn’t do any unsupervised exams solo before 2011, he testifies
LikeLike
def atty questions kolonich’s credentials
kolonich entered MSP in 1997..
LikeLike
def atty says she doesn’t object now to MSP’s shawn kolonich testifying as a firearms expert
pros terry anderson’s ques. continues
kolonich did “trigger pull” test report on wafer’s mossberg shotgun at request of pros danielle hagaman-clark
kolonich did report on fired shotgun shell and also some evid from medical exam office in the case
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
MSP Det. Sgt. Shawn Kolonich to testify as forensic firearms expert.
LikeLike
kolonich also took photos for the case
anderson showing kolonich the pics he took
there are about 18 photos.first one being shown of the mossberg shotgun in the wafer case on the overheard ..
LikeLike
wafer gun length: 12 guage shotgun. barrell is 24. 3 inches and gun is 30.5 in length overall
shotgun is:no. 4 buckshot containing 27 pellets
pics also are of box of shotgun shells
LikeLike
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Det. Sgt. Kolonich describes Mossberg shotgun.
LikeLike
we’re also seeing lead fragments (no identifiable shape)..kolonich got from coroner’s office..also plastic from inside the shot shell
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Det. Sgt. Kolonich ID’s lead fragments.
LikeLike
we’re also seeing lead fragments (no identifiable shape)..kolonich got from coroner’s office..also plastic from inside the shot shell
we’re seeing the makeup of a shotgun shell..you can open it up and it looks like a “flower” from the makeup of its ingredients,
we’re looking at intact buckshot vs. distorted buckshot after it has been fired or struck an object
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Det. Sgt. Kolonich describes disassembled shotgun shell.
LikeLike
pros just gave MSP firearms expert kolonich, the shotgun to explain what guage means in shotgun reference..
12 guage is actually bigger than a 16 guage and also bigger than a 20 gauge
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Det. Sgt. Kolonich describes the 12 gauge Mossberg used in the shooting of #RenishaMcBride
LikeLike
kolonich says shotgun is a slide shotgun..it slides to load and eject shotgun..will hold 7 shotgun shells in magazine. cap. 8 though.
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Det. Sgt. Kolonich describes the slide action of Mossberg.
LikeLike
anderson asks kolonich about operating the shotgun..he said you have to go thru sev steps and there is a safety which is operators by thumb
shotgun is a pistol grip stock made for home defense
LikeLike
kolonich says pistol grip make theshot gun more maneuravable in tight spaces like in a house
LikeLike
shotgun stock also called butt stock
the mossberg shotgun is typically held parallel to the ground, says kolonich. it has 6 pounds, 5 ounce trigger pull
but can go 4 and a half pounds
gravity can play a part, says kolonich
LikeLike
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Det. Sgt. Kolonich describes trigger pull.
LikeLike
anderson ask kolonich what you have to do to make the gun fire: he says the gun does not go off unless the trigger pulled
LikeLike
wafer’s shotgun manufactured in 2008, says kolonich. shipped with pistrol grip and shoulder stock. pistol grip makes the gun more maneuv.
“there a lot of force behind a gun like this..” kolonich
LikeLike
Buckshot designed to spread as it leaves the barrel, says kolonich..
Retweeted by oralandar brand-wms
idabwellsinstitute @idabeewells
1325 feet per second: how fast the buckshot leaves the gun
ReplyReplied to 0 times
LikeLike
Kolonich also did functionality test on wafer shotgun
LikeLike
Kolonich says he saw no abnormality with wafer’s shotgun
LikeLike
Kolonich going back over written reports . Putting them into record
LikeLike
Sgt Kolonich also looking at fired buckshot pellets that are sing entered into record
LikeLike
Anderson asking Kolonich what range mcbride shit at. The MSP said close range
LikeLike
Mcbride shot within range of 8 feet says Kolonich. Def atty objects. Sidebar now
LikeLike
Jury out now for lunch break
LikeLike
oralandar brand-wms @oralandar_DN 11m
def atty also asks bivens if he wld want to know if mcbride went to a drug house or not .bivens say it didn’t matter where.def done.
– – – – – – – –
a flippin men!
LikeLike
In fact it really does not matter. What does matter is why TW opened a door and shot someone in the face. The rest the defense wants to present is after the fact gained knowledge which there is no proof of!
LikeLike
unless wafer was involved or somehow became informed about her activities prior to shooting mcbride, it has no relevance at all.
LikeLike
Because the defense attorney thinks it is ok to poison the minds of the jury with allegations that are irrelevant then she should not mind if the Pros asked TW “What time did you get home from your visit to your drug dealer” and “what kinds of drugs did you by that night from your drug dealer” and “did you see the anyone you know when you visited your drug dealer that night”? Those are fair questions, right? It plants an idea in the minds of the jury no matter what the answers are…
LikeLike
yeah, yeah, let’s do it just like that. can we sneak in a few questions about his multiple DUI arrests as well?
(oh, i wish we were in charge!)
LikeLike
Can anyone remember, wasn’t it testified by the police officer on the scene that TW’s shotgun was found inside the front door along with an empty round next to it?
LikeLike
I remember it was found just inside the door…can’t remember if the empty round was next to it.
LikeLike
From my recollection of the reports the shot gun was on the floor inside the house near the door. The spent casing was still inside of the gun.
LikeLike
Dannywarrior, Thanks for the response.. Hmmm, if he thought as his defense attorney has stated, that there were several more people waiting to maim, injure or kill him, it would seem he would have put another round in the chamber for protection from them. Or would that deduction be too simple? IMO he had eliminated the noise maker from his nice peaceful life and no longer need the gun. Anger and fear are similar emotions and often one is mistaken for the other. This man murdered in a rage of anger… How dare anyone knock on his door while he was trying to sleep, anyone that disturbs his sleep deserves to die, right? Guess it helps that the person doing the disturbing is female, black, and too drunk to defend herself…
LikeLike
Defense is attempting to show reasonable fear. Therefore his attys. are deducing he could have reasonably believed more than one person was at his doors because more than one door was approached.
You make a great point! Besides opening the only barrier he has available to these multiple assailants, he doesn´t even chamber another shell. In fact, the only shell fired was not even ejected!
Let us look back to what the DA. stated when she decided to charge ” someone who claims self-defense must honestly and reasonably, not honestly or reasonably believe that he is in imminent danger of either losing his life or suffering great bodily harm, and the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent that harm. ”
A reasonable person would not only not open the door, but if they had they would be prepared for what may be behind it. See this is why he is claiming he was unaware the gun was loaded? Setting the stage for his attys. story of a possible siege!
TW´s statements and interview never offered these narratives however!
LikeLike
Also, he has to explain the 10 to 15 minute gap between when HIS neighbor heard noise and when his neighbor heard the gunshot.
Wafer had time to find his cellphone….look how he seemed to quickly call 911 after he shot Renisha.
10 to 15 minutes….maybe taking gun out of case and going to closet to get ammo and load gun?
LikeLike
I have to run out. But, unless I missed it… I just realized Wafer has yet to have one character witness on his behalf….hummmm.
LikeLike
Retweeted by Michael Skolnik
Global Grind News @GlobalGrindNews 25m
Family Of Kendrick Johnson Files Wrongful Death Suit Against Georgia School Officials http://bit.ly/1zqKAWr pic.twitter.com/UuQtaEUnA7
LikeLike
Did the front door have a dead bolt? Several points that I was thinking about. First if he ejected the spent round from the chamber it would tell me the shot was not accidental, if he did not it would indicate he did not think there was more than one person. The dead bolt question is because if he had a dead bolt the noise of opening that dead bolt would have warned any assailant on the porch that he was opening the door, and no one in their right mind would want to give that advantage to an assailant, would they?
LikeLike
no one in their right mind would handle a gun without first checking if it was loaded.
no one in their right mind would open a solid door between them and potential home invaders.
conclusion — wafer is not right in the mind, therefore all bets off
LikeLike
Agreed.
LikeLike
If there are two locked doors you are aware of, and you believe an assailant has damaged the anterior door, no, I would hope nobody would open the only barrier between them and an assailant.
Especially if they claim they were unaware the gun was loaded.
As was testified to, the gun requires steps to place one in the chamber. He was aware it was loaded. If the Def. claims he kept it cocked with one in chamber then he loaded it to max. with one in chamber, hence knowing it was loaded. Also, the trigger takes what, six to 8 lbs? No, anomalies found. There goes that defense.
As I suspected when I discussed this on Queen Nosey´s blog way back when…. The min. distance Renisha was shot was what 8ft.? Funny how just the other day they were commenting on where Renisha´s feet were positioned on the porch. This would indicate TW opened interior door and stepped back before he shot. Right there is M2 proof.
LikeLike
Yeah, he goes to the door defensively carrying his shotgun but then claims he did not know the gun was loaded. Got it.
LikeLike
OT: Zimmerman has made the news again……http://www.clickorlando.com/news/george-zimmerman-patrolling-central-florida-shop-after-gun-theft/27202982
Pat Johnson, the owner of Pompano Pat’s, offered to buy Z a gun after his trial and the store owner is running for Mayor of Deland. The store sells mainly motorcycles but also has sells guns on the side.
Z was “patrolling” on his new NW duty when the Deland PD questioned him why he was sitting behind the store. While the store owner denies that Z is an employee he says he does know him; Z says he has permission to be there from the owner.
Z does not have a required security guard license to act as an armed security guard.
LikeLike
Thanks for this update, towerflower…especial this:
“While the store owner denies that Z is an employee he says he does know him; Z says he has permission to be there from the owner.
Z does not have a required security guard license to act as an armed security guard.”
LikeLike
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pat-Johnson-For-Mayor-of-DeLand/1384407855156603
Wannabe mayor is now doing the political two step.
LikeLike
in other words, he is back to his former ‘profession’ … surrounding himself with firearms and playing fantasy cop. fabulous, just fabulous.
LikeLike
towerflower, It would have been amusing listening to the call that I feel sure Pat Johnson received from his insurance agent informing him about the liabiality that even having Zimmerman doing patrol on his property in an unpaid position with his permission would expose him to in the event of an incident. I suspect that Zimmerman is once again ” unwanted and unemployed… Poor baby! When will he learn that his non professional enforcer of the laws persona is not wanted or needed, never mind, I know the answer, NEVER…
LikeLike
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/29/george-zimmerman-identified-as-nighttime-guard-at-florida-motorcycle-dealership/ Johnson’s store manager is questioning that the story is a political attack against his boss. LOL.
On Johnson’s twitter account (PatJohnsonforMa), Z is only one of the two followers he has. He is also a follower on the business page.
LikeLike
Hey, look at this….turns out gz told the police he was working night security!
DELAND — George Zimmerman, the Sanford man acquitted last July in the shooting death of a teen, was spotted outside a DeLand business after midnight Sunday and told police he was working night security.
Zimmerman said he stayed at the business with his dog so he could keep an eye on the business. He told police that he will be doing night time security for an “indeterminate” time, police wrote in their report. The address for Zimmerman listed in the police report is a Sanford UPS store, which houses post office boxes.
http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20140729/NEWS/140729444?Title=George-Zimmerman-claims-he-was-working-security-at-DeLand-x2019-s-Pompano-Pat-x2019-s
LikeLike
From the article it would appear that he has committed at least one or more criminal acts. He either lied to the PD about being the security guard or he told the truth and is guilty of being an unlicensed security service… Let’s see if he gets a pass on these acts like all the others that he has been given a pass on…
LikeLike
Time for the popcorn! 🙂
LikeLike
Click to access SKM_364e14072909010.pdf
copy of the police report
LikeLike
Thanks, towerflower!
LikeLike
Zimmerman tweeted the other day ‘to my friends in deland’ must be mooching off of this asshole who offered Zimmerman a gun. I asked mr pat when gz first got on twitter about offering to hire Zimmerman.. I don’t remember why other than knowing he was a business owner…
sounds like Zimmerman is homeless again & burned his bridge/couch at the last grifting spot & went there looking to grift off of this guy.
I swear if lying about security work while carrying a gun is not a crime I’m gonna freak out!!
so the cops didn’t ask to see Zimmerman’s “security license”? wtf??? so they just take the word of a killer again??
and now we hear this clown in running for mayor!?!?! OMFG!! I know Deland,
it’s the sticks but a decent area close to datona beach/ormand beach where my best friend lived for 10-15yrs.the year before she was killed, we were looking for a house close to her’s. we looked at property in deland but she couldn’t get me to leave Miami to live in such a small town.
it’s odd but that area of florida is diametrically opposite of south florida. it’s all American. from my definition/use of the term “cracker” I’d definitely describe the ppl in that area as crackers. they’re not as “southern’ as ppl in rural Georgia but more “yankee” than urban Georgia.
besides the retired or farmers, there’s plenty of biker types that i’m very cool w/ (as long as they aren’t the biker gangbangers) but hunter/rifles in the back of pickup types bother me so I can’t get along w/them.
I think Zimmerman and his afro Peruvian self will definitely stick out like a chocolate chip in a bowl of vanilla icecream.
i think it’s safe to say zimmerman is using this guy “pompano pat” for his local connections w.bikers & hunters which offers Zimmerman sort of protection from those who’d otherwise consider him an interloper. this may not work out for Zimmerman as well as he thinks..one can hope.
LikeLike
Too bad,Florida shop offers free gun to George Zimmerman.
In a letter to Zimmerman’s attorney, former Local 6 legal analyst Mark O’Mara, Pompano Pats in DeLand said it’s offering a free firearm to Zimmerman after hearing media reports that he could not obtain his Kel-Tec PF-9 from authorities.
Pat Johnson For Mayor of DeLand?
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/gun-shop-offers-free-gun-to-george-zimmerman/21034476
LikeLike
Jury out now for lunch break
LikeLike
which means shower break in california time. 😛
LikeLike
🙂
You were up early for this, faux!
LikeLike
Just to add to info from trial, here are tweets from Gina Damon:
Kolonich determined that the gun was manufactured in 2008 and, at that time, it was shipped with a pistol grip and a shoulder stock.
Kolonich testified that a 12-gauge shotgun comes back with a lot of force. “There’s a lot of force behind a gun like this,” he said.
Kolonich testified that the shoulder stock gives a person a chance to control the recoil. With a 12-gauge with a pistol grip, it’s difficult to maintain the recoil because all of that force is placed just on your hand, Kolonich testified.
Kolonich testified that a pistol grip shotgun can be shot at different angles.
Kolonich testified that buckshot are the lead pellets used instead of a single projectile.
Kolonich testified there would be a weight differential if the gun were fully loaded.
Kolonich testified that a shot from the gun could knock a screen out of its place.
Kolonich testified that the shotgun will hold 7 shot shells in the magazine.
http://www.freep.com/article/20140729/NEWS02/307290065/
LikeLike
Judge has returned.
LikeLike
jury back in…def atty cheryl carpenter cross-examining him[Det. Sgt. Kolonich]..she’s asking him about door screen and frame to wafer’s home
LikeLike
def atty asks sgt. kolonich if he examined the screen. he says no and carpenter asks why he says he was not asked to ..he’s onlyseen pics
LikeLike
def atty asks kolonich if he formed an opinion on screen door..pros objects..def atty holds screen door in front of kolonich..judge allows
kolonich says “my opinion was that the shotgun was fired through the screen” def wants to know if screen was down.
def atty asking how if he had an opinion he cld give one ..know asking if he wld give one on whether screen door insert dislodged
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
#TheodoreWafer attorney Cheryl Carpenter asks Det. Sgt. Kolonich opinion on screen.
LikeLike
LikeLike
def atty asking why kolonich didn’t ask if he cld investigate screen door: he says his dept not accredit to do crime scene reconstructions
says his has no knowledge of testing of screen door insert by any dept
LikeLike
kolonich being asked about close range he says mcbride was shot. under cross, he says it was 8 feet or less
LikeLike
under cross kolonich says mossberg 500 is a great weapon for home defense
def atty asks Kolonich about the 13 metal fragments (damaged pellets) he received during his investigation of the wafer case
LikeLike
These 13 fragments must be what ME recovered:
From my notes in Dec. 2013 as ME testified then:
Recovered 11 to 14 pellets from her brain
LikeLike
def atty wants to know from kolonich where the rests of the 26 pellets from gunshot shell went to ..he says no.
kolonich says it’s not always possible that the damaged pellets will be retrieved
LikeLike
kolonich says mossberg 500 wafer had was ambi-dextrous gun.
LikeLike
def atty doing a drawing illustrating trigger pull testing..only jurors can see..easel turned toward them away from ctroom audience
kolonich now illustrating to jurors
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Det. Sgt. Kolonich sketches out the trigger pull for #TheodoreWafer attorney Cheryl Carpenter.
LikeLike
kolonich discussing trigger pull testing on shotgun, gravity and position shotgun fired in
LikeLike
kolonich: wafer’s mossberg shotfun not sawed off and was legally owned
def done..pros anderson re-directing
LikeLike
anderson gives wafer’s shotgun back to kolonich to illustrate showing if there is any effect by gravity on horizontal pull of trigger
LikeLike
anderson asking about force and the screen(as asked by def atty). kolonich says again no tests done on screen
kolonich says there were 28 pellets in the shotgun pellet [shell]
any shotgun handled appro. can be safe, says kolonich under re-direct. pros. done . kolonich off witness stand now
LikeLike
Gurka says no prying, kick marks, damage to locks to front or side door..
gurka says his dept didn’t take screen door in for evidence cause he wanted to get search warrant
LikeLike
witness number three for the day is up. Dearborn Heights Dt.Sgt Stephen Gurka, 27 yr vet and head of the Wafer case on stand now..
LikeLike
Gurka got to Wafer home around 6 a.m. He first went to station to pick up his equipment needed for investigation at scene
Gurka said one of first officers on scene told him the shooting was accident and that the homeowner did not know the victim.
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Dearborn Heights Det. Sgt. Stephen Gurka takes stand in
LikeLike
LikeLike
Gurka got to Wafer home around 6 a.m. He first went to station to pick up his equipment needed for investigation at scene
Gurka said one of first officers on scene told him the shooting was accident and that the homeowner did not know the victim.
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Dearborn Heights Det. Sgt. Stephen Gurka takes stand in
LikeLike
we’re seeing pics of crime scene of mcbride lying on wafer porch. gurka says “there are no weapons” in her hand. her head is in bushes.
no damage to storm door or handle to storm door, says Gurka..
gurka says he sees shotgun inside home from front door.
pics of front door being shown to jurors
screen door pics shown with hole above handle
Gurka said he was trying to determine when he got to house if wafer knew mcbride.
Gurka was looking for any “evidence that someone was being entertained” at the house
Gurka was looking for evidence like pizza boxes , two glasses..
Wafer not at home when Gurka arrived. Wafer had signed consent for officers to search his home, Gurka says
Gurka says there was one spent round in Wafer’s shotgun when police examined it
Gurka says screen had a whole in it. it was locked. he measured screen from top of inside floor to middle of the hole ..
Gurka says safety on Wafer’s gun was off. Gurka says police took pictures in the house
LikeLike
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Gurka testifies he put screen back to measure
LikeLike
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi · 13m
#TheodoreWafer shotgun as observed by Det. Sgt. Gurka.
LikeLike
” screen door pics shown with hole above handle”
This is what I was was waiting to hear. The handle is waist height at best chest height from photos I have seen when someone stands on the porch. Had the screen been down before he shot Renisha…. How did he shoot her in the face?
LikeLike
We don’t know where she was standing or in what position
LikeLike
I am being forensically impatient. I am sure they will eventually get there.
We did see the position on her body when she fell which was to the right of the door. I can´t imagine she moved after being shot.
LikeLike
This is where I cannot go…..too heartbreaking…..I avoid picturing the moment of the shot + sickens my stomach to picture her injuries
LikeLike
My reply button is funky for some reason…..
Let me add How did he shoot her in the face with no damage to the mental on the door near handle when Carpenter herself even mentioned missing buck shot and the fact they spread?
LikeLike
pros showing items and pics of them: bill of sale for gun, allen wrench, nylon gun butt (came out of cainet at the home)
Gurka says when he went back on Nov. 11 screen insert in the basement..he said during both searches Wafer’s attys there
deaborn heights has no crime lab. gurka has assisted in 6 homicides.
LikeLike
Gurka no weapons ever taken off McBride’s body. Her driver’s license and $56 in cash taken. pros showing license and the cash McBride had
LikeLike
I posted this original in incorrect location:
Gurka says no prying, kick marks, damage to locks to front or side door..
gurka says his dept didn’t take screen door in for evidence cause he wanted to get search warrant
LikeLike
gurka said no burglary tools found on wafer property that nov. 2 morning
gurka then went to monica mcbride’s home to tell her about daughter’s death..
LikeLike
Gurka says he also wanted to find renisha mcbride’s cell phone. he got info on car she was driving which was in accident
Gurka then spoke to med exam about cause of mcbride’s death
gurka says maggots migrated onto mcbride’s clothes, hoodie and blue jeans, at coroner’s office. he brushed them off and sprayed clothing
LikeLike
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi · 31s
#RenishaMcBride jacket from medical examiner’s office had maggots Gurka testifies.
LikeLike
Gurka finishing up his timeless of his dept’s investigation into the Wafer case..now talking about search warrants for evid in case
cell phone records, Wafer’s home and his firearms records
LikeLike
Gurka: saw no damage to Wafer’s home back done. pros done with Gurka. sidebar right now
5 min break
LikeLike
oralandar brand-wms @oralandar_DN 33s
Gurka was looking for any “evidence that someone was being entertained” at the house
– – – – – – –
my eyes! my eyes! gak, i cannot unsee that mental image!
LikeLike
Renisha was not very tall. 5`4 in height.
LikeLike
You can go to these links of the December 13, 2013 preliminary hearing to see my notes during the live streaming:
and scroll down on this page for ME testimony at hearing:
LikeLike
Thank you very much.
LikeLike
TW looks to be abut 5′ 10″ approx. that means his elbow would be about approx. 42 to 45″ inch’s from the floor, if you consider he had his off side hand holding the fore stock on the shotgun the barrel would probably been close to 48′ from the floor, which appears to be close to the height of the hole in the screen. Now to consider to hold the weapon in both hands he would have had to have the door swung all the way to the open position it again says he did not open the door a small amount to just look around but instead opened it with the full intent of firing the weapon… The simple fact that he did not chamber another round is a pretty good indication he did not think anyone but Mz. McBride was on his property. The calmness of his voice in the 911 call is also strange and seems to be inconsistent with some one who has just suffered a large amount of fear and killed an intruder, no excitement at all, just a calm and composed voice… One thing is causing me concern, are we sure of the time the murder occurred? Are we sure that this was not the “drug house” and TW had time before he called 911 to either relocate or dispose of anything he had in his possession? NOTE: that was a question, and not a theory…
LikeLike
Of course I am speculating based on what we have thus far. I am looking at had the screen been displaced and Renisha fell at the position we saw her…..due to the barrel length and 8in. or shorter shot a right hand would produce 1. the interior door open to fit the entire 30+ in. of the gun. Had he used his right hand he was positioned to the right of the opened interior door.
2. Had he used his left hand, the interior door was ajar, his arm raised, and there was no displaced screen.
LikeLike
i think based on the neighbor’s testimony that the time of the shooting is established. he said that shortly after the shooting he notice patrol cars (i am paraphrasing, of course).
LikeLike
i am assuming we have pretty much reached the end of the case in chief, unless jenkins is called back. i think the prosecution has done a very good job. they presented a clear timeline of events, refuted almost every claim made by carpenter’s opening statement. at this point, every element of the crime has been established. i cannot identify any missteps on the part of the prosecution. well done!
yes, we have the defense case to get through, but honestly, what have they possible got to show? wafer will have to take the stand and that will be a disaster.
LikeLike
court back in session: def atty cheryl carpenter wants to put something on record
she’s suggesting letting jury go home.
defense has 7 audio clips to play. these are audio clips while theodore wafer in squad car. conversations btwn police officers
def atty says she has audio that they found$100 in mcbride’s pocket: where did it go???, asks def atty cheryl carpenter..bomb shell here
gurka leaves out of courtroom ..expecting audio to be played..def atty bringing up more about conver btwn cops
has conversation about cops saying “i know. i know..i already stepped in it” talking about poss contamination at crime scene
LikeLike
pros now saying “this is all classic hear say” from police officers
LikeLike
pros says def atty trying to impeach gurka..what does he have to do with this??in terms of $100 bill go ahead and ask Gurka aboutthe$100bill
jury leaving now
LikeLike
jury did not hear about $100 bill. they were in jury room. they were brought back into courtroom to be excused for the day
LikeLike
gurka on stand to listen to the taped conversations of the officers in the squad car
LikeLike
on the tape an officer is heard saying “she had a hundred dollar bill in her pocket” referring to the deceased renisha mcbride
“no kidding” says another officer..
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Still photo of video from Dearborn Heights police vehicle
LikeLike
also on the tape: officers speculating whether mcbride was a prostitute banging on wafer’s door.. this was in car recording of officers
def atty asks do we know what officer that is: gurka: i cldn’t tell (on the last recording we here..but is very muffled) butnowords tomkeout
LikeLike
def atty says the officers turned off mike that money. listening to a 5th audio clip now
def atty says police officers turned off mike in car that morning
Mandi Wright @DetroitMandi
Gurka listening to Dearborn Heights police audio from video.
LikeLike
5th tape also officers talk about possible charges against Wafer and someone saying “”I know I stepped in some of it” refer. to crime scene
LikeLike
Gurka says the only time he was on audio was when another officer came up to him to tell him what wafer told him.
judge: “there’s a lot of issues here”..big discussion on impeachment of officers who have not testified
LikeLike
but those Dearborn Heights officers def attys want info from are on her witness list
LikeLike
Gurka says policy for mics is that they stay on when officers have contact w/public
court over…back at 9 a.m. tomorrow
LikeLike
Don’t be too surprised if the judge orders a mistrial at this point. This is very damaging evidence, even if it does not play to the actual murder…
LikeLike
I thought that Officer planted the deer meat story! That is all I am gonna say for now.
LikeLike
I found that story to be rather strange at best, but even if none of the direct results of the poor by intent or other wise investigation are directly involved, the judge will have to order a mistrial. I had listened to this trial, even after knowing full well that TW some how would walk, and had actually started to build up hope that the criminal justice system would actually work for a change and then they pull the rug out from under me…
LikeLike
I am looking at that now.
My concern now is what if anything had the defense or prosecution done to rectify this prior to this trial? Funny how this always lays on the lap of a Judge when there is a murder trial? Makes me wonder also had this Judge used the showing of a juror as an excuse to disallow media in the court room? I am just a layman and saw something coming all day. However, I also can see that there were one last stops to set a stage for Wafer to take the stand after Spitzer once the Defense took the case. This was plan C.
I believe you are right. This would be the time the prosecution would rest and Def. would ask for mistrial or dismissal.
Rectifying what was said by police or proof of a compromised crime scene is not reason for mistrial at this point. It changes perhaps what evidence the defense may attempt to submit, it may change the course of anticipated length of testimony. It may even change the appealable issue. A mistrial? Unsure.
LikeLike
I send my prayers and supportive thoughts to Renisha’s family and her loved ones during this grueling and heartbreaking period as they sit through the trial of their daughter’s killer.
Rest in Peace Renisha.
“Doves Flying” :
LikeLike