Frank Taaffe To Talk With The FBI?

120323-Frank_TaaffeTwitter is buzzed with news allegedly from Frank Taaffe that he is scheduled to meet with the FBI and DOJ. When going into Taaffe’s history of his advocating for George Zimmerman, we should keep in mind that such an interview with federal investigators might not be limited to Zimmerman’s state of mind when he stalked, followed, and killed 17-year old, unarmed Trayvon Martin.

During jury deliberations, Taaffe did not keep it secret that he knew what was happening in the jury room. That might be something in which the FBI wants more information.

The nation awaits and while waiting, if Frank Taaffe is sincere about his change of heart, the least he could do is post retractions for his racist ideologies on his Facebook page and website. Otherwise, Frank’s “come to God” moment appears to be something personal between himself and George Zimmerman, rather than repentance for his disparaging of minorities.  How about it, Frank?

 

 

 

 

Posted on 07/04/2014, in Department of Justice, George and Shellie Zimmerman, Justice For Trayvon and tagged , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 97 Comments.

  1. Do you know when this meeting is supposed to take place?

    Like

  2. What’s it all about, Taaffe?
    Is it just for the moment…
    What’s it all about when you sort it out, Taafe?

    Like

  3. Two sides to a story

    I can only hope that his leaving his vile sites up is part of his repentance – not trying to scrub it all but to allow the world to see his dirty work. At the same time, it smacks of him just having a personal vendetta with GZ.

    Time will tell!

    Like

    • Two sides,
      Taaffe should leave the sites up, but at least post retractions of his earlier views. Heck, he could even embed the Youtube video of his interview where he says George racially profiled Trayvon.

      Like

  4. “Zimmerman BFF Frank Taaffe Says Blacks ‘Don’t Do Anything Productive For This Country’ (VIDEO)”

    http://samuel-warde.com/2014/02/zimmerman-bff-frank-taaffe-says-blacks-dont-do-anything-productive-for-this-country/

    Like

  5. Just thinking of Frank Taafee is disturbing.

    Like

  6. This news should pretty well answer the question of why suddenly FT decided to throw Zimmerman under the bus.. He would sell his mothers soul to save his hide and Zimmerman might have a real problem if FT knows as much about that night and more importantly events that occurred prior to that night.. My money is on FT being up to his proverbial eyeballs in a criminal enterprise involving he and Zimmerman and possibly another individual… Will the Fed’s cut him a deal to hang Zimmerman, but more importantly is whether Papa Zimmerman will have enough pull to save Zimmerman, thus leaving FT hanging from the tree alone? With the way this whole thing has gone to this point, I think we will see FT in hot water alone…

    Like

    • I would love to have been a fly on the wall the last time GZ and FT spoke.

      Like

      • This might be a little off topic, but do you suppose that Zimmerman is delaying the divorce to prevent his “wife” from testifying against him in a court of criminal law? I would suspect his fear of the truth being told is pretty strong at this point, and it would not surprise me if FT and or Shelly end up in tragic accidents in the very near future…

        Like

        • Good point, can’t she still testify though if she wants too? Idk, I know exactly what you mean about them having ‘accidents’ but wonder if anyone is willing to stick their necks out for GZ at this point, to do something criminal for him.

          Like

          • “…can’t she still testify though if she wants too? …” Yes, if she wanted to of her own free will, she could have at any point said what she knew. If he said to her after the murder to the effect “…..told ya I plug one of them…..shit, I didn’t think I’d ever catch up to him once he ran. But when I cut him off ahead of the T, it was game over” she could have given a statement to the police, or anyone for that matter. Crump is probably the only one who would have done anything however.

            My money is on he did say something like that.

            Like

        • I think the question of could she testify willingly while still married to Zimmerman would best be answered by one of the lawyers that frequent this blog, or I suspect Xena could answer that question quite well. I don’t actually think she would testify against him at this stage, simply because there is bound to be a large fear factor still in her life, fear for her own safety and the safety of her parents as well. I think we all have seen the acts that Zimmerman is easy able to commit and the ease that he seems to avoid prosecution for his acts as well. On the question of does he still have supporters that would commit a criminal offense (even a major one) for his benefit, I strongly suspect he does, he might have to dip into the pool of his fellow gangsters back in Virginia to do it, but it could be done… FT would be the easy one, he could have an auto accident while drinking and very few questions would probably be asked… especially if it happened in Seminole County Florida… Where whether we like it or not, Zimmerman still seems to be a hero to many people…

          Like

          • When you are married, you certainly can testify against someone if you wish. You cannot be made to, however, if you don’t.

            Like

          • crazy1946,

            I think the question of could she testify willingly while still married to Zimmerman would best be answered by one of the lawyers that frequent this blog, or I suspect Xena could answer that question quite well.

            My question is based on the default set aside and Florida dissolution of marriage law. In some states, once a divorce has been granted by default, the only matters that are actually set aside are those dividing property. It’s called bifurcation. In other words, Shellie and George might be divorced, and the only jurisdiction that the court has now is to divide property, debts and assets.

            Shellie could still testify of her personal knowledge — maybe not what George said or told her.

            Like

          • Xena, Thank you for the clarification on the possible status of the Zimmerman divorce. If that is the case in Florida then it would now seem that with the major setback that he has received in his gazillion dollar lawsuit against NBC, it would be in his best interest to now end the payment (or at least the charges from the attorney, not that he will pay him) or attorney fees. Then again we are not talking about a normal or reasonable individual, we are instead talking about Zimmerman…

            Like

            • crazy1946,
              Right — I think the long delay in the divorce case is because George doesn’t have the money to pay his lawyer. Remember that he did a video that his divorce lawyer posted on his website. IMHO, it’s because George still thought that he could get donations.

              GZ caused his own problems and it’s time for him to ask his supporters for a job, even if it means he has to relocate to another state. Which goes to say, none of those supporting him and believing in his innocence have anything to offer him other than lip service and a folding table for him to sit at to give his autograph.

              Like

          • Karma is a beautiful thing.

            Like

    • @Crazy & Yahtzee:

      Just seeing the name of FT gives me indigestion! LOL! I agree with you. FT must be up to his eyeballs in some criminal enterprise which involved Fogen, and maybe others. FT will not go down alone for Fogen! He will make a deal and tesify and tell it all! Let’s remember that Frank Taafee knows where the all of the bodies are buried and several individuals must be shitting in their pants! As much as I do not like him, I hope he remains safe. I can see someone trying to enact revenge upon him for what he is about to do. He certainly knows what Fogen is capable of doing.

      Like

      • peni4yothot

        Hi Deborah, remember the cousin who said fogen molested her? She also stated how people feared him, that he is very aggressive/confrontational. One of Taffe’s early interviews was similar.
        One fact which didn’t come out in court was z/Shellie had a fight the night prior. That tid-bit along with the txt/emails/vm will lend to his state of mind.

        Like

    • Jueseppi,
      Hello dear friend. Thanks for the reblog.

      Like

      • Happy 4th of July, hope your family had a safe fun holiday…..summer is finally here.

        Like

      • To your 7/5/2014 3:27 post…….

        “……has to relocate to another state.”

        Isn’t a state of disaster where he resides now ?? That’s close enough for me, in fact, it’s to close.

        Like

        • Racer,
          I thought that maybe Sarah Palin would be able to get Zimmerman a job in Alaska on a pipeline or as an ice road trucker — maybe even a body guard for Bristol.

          Like

          • Ha! I don’t like Sarah, but Bristol seems like a nice enough girl–does she really deserve to hang out with a psycho like that?

            Like

            • eurobrat,

              does she really deserve to hang out with a psycho like that?

              Yeah, I see your point, After putting up with her psycho mom and thrown into the national spotlight, she shouldn’t be tortured further. 🙂

              Like

            • I watched a reality show about the Palin daughters once and they did seem relatively decent and down to earth. That being said, I’m sure their hag of a mother has influenced how they view the world…unfortunately….

              Like

          • I have to agree with eurobrat……nobody should have to deal with this 5’8″ pile o’ shit.
            On the other hand, maybe as an ice road “Ice thickness explorer” ya know….driving ahead to see how thin the ice pack is………..alone.

            Like

          • 🙂 Don’t give him any ideas….he would probably do that if the pay were high enough.

            Like

          • I was thinking he should work the jack hammer on a highway crew…..it would get the aggression out of him plus tire him so he would be too exhausted to go into a rage with his next girlfriend.

            Like

  7. I don’t believe FT has changed for a second, his twitter history is rich with racism, and people with his mind set don’t change over night. I think this is all about Taaffe getting back at George, regardless, if he has important evidence against GZ than hop to it. I for one don’t believe the 2 had a super close relationship, but both have the same beliefs, and that’s what ties them together, they went out on patrol together and bonded to a certain extent. GZ is cagey and for the most part puts on an act for those around him he doesn’t completely trust, the last thing he wanted was to be known for what he truly is.

    Like

    • yes, I agree, Frank Taffee is only concerned with helping Frank Taffee

      Like

    • Lexiechey, you make an excellent point when saying they both have the same beliefs.

      I always thought there was something very suspicious with Taaffe leaving his home unsecured, and George just happening to see Burgess standing outside of it.

      Like

  8. More use of a gun by a child to shoot another child. Do you really think the injury would be as bad had a gun not been available to use in this incident? Don’t the gun owners of this nation realize the toll that these weapons are taking on our nation, or is it that they love their guns more than they love their neighbor? In this case we have two (plus their collective families) children whose lives are forever changed and not to the better. Is this what our nation has become, a shooting gallery where those that are the better shot win the prizes?

    http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_26091440/antioch-police-arrest-14-year-old-shooting-11

    Like

    • crazy1946, Had it not been a 22, that kid would probably be dead. Kids are not buying guns so it is the adults who are making it possible for them to get their hands on them.

      Yes, you are so correct. There are two families now whose lives are changed forever.

      Like

  9. yeah, something’s up, can’t wait to find out what that’s all about.

    Like

  10. towerflower

    Even if Taaffe spills his guts and confesses all that he knows, I wonder how much can really be used. Meaning, due to his past conversations, I wonder if his testimony will be mostly disregarded. I hope not.

    Like

    • towerflower, IMO even if FT “spills his guts” and tells all he knows, I don’t think it would make the grade allowing the DOJ to charge and convict Zimmerman of a hate crime. I do think it would answer the lingering question of was Trayvon actually murdered by Zimmerman… I know in our eyes there is no doubt that he did, but many people in this nation still think that he acted in self defense. Now if he and FT and others were operating a burglary ring or something similar, then the state could then place charges on him for that, and perhaps the DOJ could go after him using the RICCO laws, based on the concept of organized criminal activity. But quite frankly don’t expect anything to happen until after the elections are over with, this could become a highly charged political problem if acted on prior to that…

      Like

    • towerflower,
      I suspect that there are layers of things under investigation. Remember Eric Gallagher? He alleges that there was a plan in place by the HOA to violate the Fair Housing Act. The SPD drive-throughs and NW were part of that plan to harass Blacks out of the Retreat at Twin Lakes and discourage others from moving in.

      Taaffe’s racial ideologies included separatism.

      If that encouraged George to target Blacks, then it pertains to his frame of mind before he killed Trayvon. That is what U.S. Attorneys look for — the frame of mind before and while committing the crime. George was a renter — a tenant — a conduit for those wanting Blacks out of that community.

      Like

      • No, I don’t remember Eric Gallagher! but that’s exactly the kinda stuff I wanna hear more about!
        i hope everyone who was involved in the lies, before & after, get nailed right along w.the killer. I’m tired of all the bigotry that is allowed to go down in that town, i want them all ruined!

        Like

        • Shannon, I don’t agree with everything Eric says, but what he wrote about the HOA and violation of the Fair Housing Act, and his support for saying it, is very credible.

          When this financial data is viewed in conjunction with the decision by the HOA Board Members to hire the Sanford Police to enforce its HOA Board policies, and its decision to create the Neighborhood Watch program operated by George Zimmerman which functioned in the manner that it did with Zimmerman patrolling the neighborhood on a nightly basis with a gun, the impression is cast that those setting policy within the community did not look at themselves as the cause of their own bad financial investments. Instead, the impression is given that Board Members sought to assign such blame upon those who moved in to the community after the collapse of the real estate market, thus changing the demographics of the community.

          http://redyankeepress.blogspot.com/2012/05/zimmerman-gets-little-help-from-cracker.html

          Like

  11. i remain cynically optimistic (a tough line to walk) that taafe has the ability to redeem himself. it is entirely possible that he has become active in AA at this point, due to traffic violations and court enforced or other reasons. if that is the case, making amends and doing the right thing will become paramount to his well being. as an atheist, i have no belief in an afterlife or even karma and that our only chance is to do right in this world and that is its own reward.

    taafe has a long way to go on the redemption process, but it appears that he is trying (there is my own personal cynical optimism again). i am sure that he does have information which could be vital to the DOJ and at this point, i can only hope that he does the right thing. i am glad to know that they are still working the case.

    Like

    • Hey fauxmccoy!

      I don’t believe that people need religion to have good morals and to treat others like they want to be treated. But, I do believe there is a spiritual principle just like the natural principle of reaping and sowing. Rose bushes do not grow as the result of planting onion bulbs. So, as you say, our awards come from our actions.

      There are times, such as what Taaffe has experienced, when certain events can change their way of thinking. Along with losing both of his sons then his brother, his house finally foreclosed. Taaffe cannot blame any of that on minorities “taking over the country.” He went on a hate-speech filled diatribe, set up a website to sell T-shirts, and went on HLN and Fox, but none of that saved or gave him what he really needs.

      Taaffe needs to come clean.

      Like

  12. Pssht. His “change” is about as authentic as Zimmerman’s innocence – it doesn’t exist!

    Like

    • Hey Caleb!!!

      It appears that Taaffe certainly was able to breach the jurors. He knew what was happening in the jury room. The DOJ might have more interested in that than what Taaffe has to say about George.

      Like

      • So true, although I must confess I do wanna know what caused the rift between him and his fellow bed buddy George.

        Like

        • Well Caleb, maybe Taaffe discovered, like the Donnelly’s and Shellie, that George is only interested in himself. Taaffe bailed George out when he was arrested for threatening Samantha with a gun. Shortly after that, George purportedly sold a painting. Who knows if George bothered to pay back Taaffe?

          Like

          • And the whole time he was defending Zimmerman he kept on saying “I know him so well.. I know his heart” and all this b.s. Apparently he didn’t know him as well as he thought.

            Like

            • Caleb,
              I didn’t watch much television news pre-trial and when I heard of anyone advocating for Zimmerman being on television, I intentionally avoided watching. However, during the trial I had HLN on most evening and that is when I got the true image of Taaffe.

              After the verdict, I thought he would fade into the woodwork but then he came out to defend Dunn. That spoke volumes.

              Like

            • Absolutely. And Nancy Grace somehow must think he offers good commentary or he’s just so idiotic that she knows he will always say something so stupid she can yell back at him for lol

              Like

            • Caleb,
              I’m with you on the second part. Nancy Grace liked having Taaffe on her show so she could humiliate an idiot.

              Like

            • I often enjoy hearing her yell at the people on the other end of the line lol. But I must admit, I was off-put after she said on air the night before the Zimmerman verdict: “Everyone should respect the verdict of the jury no matter what that verdict may be” and went off on that lecture. I didn’t hear her saying that in the Casey Anthony case.

              Like

  13. Transcribed from the taped interview. Full interview available on soundcloud.

    Like

    • how do I find soundcloud? How do I find this?

      Like

      • Rachael,
        I found one of the links that was in a comment on the thread about cyber-extortionists, but when I went to it, it said that it no longer existed. I’ll ask on Twitter about it and get back to you as soon as I get an answer. I do remember listening to both of the tapes.

        Like

      • Wow, that call gz made (pictured in Manalo’s photo) was to Osterman according to Taaffe…hmm…wonder where Osterman was that he was able to arrive so quickly with Shellie who was at her Dad’s…

        Like

        • I still can’t get over the fact that Osterman was told at the scene by one of the officers something like it was “clean”, which I think implied that they thought at the scene that everything seemed to match what gz was telling them.

          Like

        • Yahtzee,
          That is where I get confused. According to GZ’s phone records, the first call he made after killing Trayvon was to NEN. I remember Racer saying that the phone records were very relevant, but sadly, we did not hear about them in the state’s case. According to Osterman, Shellie called him saying that George “shot somebody else.”

          Like

        • Xena, what you summarize is what I have always understood…But now Frank says differently??

          Like

          • Yahtzee, that is why Taaffe’s assertions are questionable. Not only that, but anything that George did that evening after killing Trayvon, unless Taaffe was an eyewitness, is mere hearsay. Taaffe can testify to what George stated to him, but not what George stated to others. The DOJ would only be interested in what Taaffe knows about George’s frame of mind before and when he killed Trayvon and if George stated anything to Taaffe supporting his frame of mind.

            Personally, I don’t think that the DOJ needs anything from Taaffe to proceed on indicting George because George gave enough direct evidence of his frame of mind. Remember this?

            Like

          • Thanks for this, Xena.

            No doubt the DOJ has those gz text messages and WILL use them to make their case against gz.

            Also, thanks for making clear that the DOJ would only be interested in gz’s frame of mind before and at the time he killed Trayvon.

            Like

          • I will never understand why his text messages were not brought out.

            Like

            • Rachael, because the State of Florida decided not to prosecute Zimmerman for committing a hate crime. Zimmerman’s texts and emails would not serve as evidence that he murdered Trayvon, but might serve as evidence of his state of mind. That is what federal prosecutors look for when investigating violation of civil rights.

              Like

          • I don’t understand Xena. You are saying there was nothing in GZ’s phone records or text messages that could be used as evidence for murder rather than B’S self-defense?

            Like

            • Rachael,
              Right. Bernie brought up the texts because Zimmerman said that he told police officers to tell Trayvon’s parents that he was sorry.

              I suspected that the State would withhold certain information such as the texts, because it is part of the federal investigation. Remember how O’Mara tried to get the FBI file but was denied?

              Like

          • roderick2012

            Xena: I suspected that the State would withhold certain information such as the texts, because it is part of the federal investigation. Remember how O’Mara tried to get the FBI file but was denied?

            And that’s why I always thought that the State was going to throw the case and allow the Feds to convict Piglet.

            Another thing I find interesting is that neither Rev. Al nor Tracy has disclosed the details of the texts they received from Piglet which makes me believe that they had some assurances from the Feds that they will prosecute Piglet…eventually.

            Like

            • Roderick,
              I could be wrong, but I do not believe that the State intentionally threw the case. That opinion is based not only how trial was conducted, but also juror interviews after the verdict. If Zimmerman had stood up in court and confessed that he did not kill Trayvon in self-defense, Juror B37 still would have acquitted him because of her personal biases that George’s heart was in the right place and he had already learned his lesson.

              Regarding Zimmerman’s texts, it’s my impression that they were not sent to the “Reverend” and Tracy, but to someone else about them.

              Like

            • Lisa bloom said in her 20 yrs. of covering trials, she has never seen the state ignore evidence and not question or object. BDLR has 30 yrs. experience and has only lost one case in those 30 yrs. of course, the state threw the case. Lisa Bloom’s book is worth every penny and I’m sure it’s on amazon in paper used book for very little money. It will bring a lot to light about the ins and outs of how the state proceeded. It is not just a recapture of the factual knowledge we all collected.

              BDLR has a ferocious reputation and he presented this trial like it was his first.
              Sorry.to disagree with you Xena but Fl. gov Scott is very corrupt. Ask why this trial would be prosecuted by a North Fl. Prosecutor?

              I bought her book in online form so I wish I could send you a hard copy but it is very insightful in how they proceeded and what they left out, ignored, did not object to, etc. ….you get the picture.

              Like

            • 2dogsonly,
              I have Lisa Bloom’s book and posted about it at least twice on this blog.

              Lisa concentrates on the prosecution not pointing out where Zimmerman carried his gun and that it was impossible for Trayvon to see it. However, the prosecution, by way of Adam Pollock’s testimony, showed that Zimmerman could not have gotten his gun out of the hostler and taken that shot while on his back. Which is why I say, regardless of what the prosecution did, Juror B37 would have used her biases and excuses to acquit Zimmerman.

              Like

            • Xena, I think we have to agree to disagree. I was referring only to your statement that you don’t think the state intentionally threw the case. I just agree with Lisa bloom’s statements that she has never seen such incompetence and I know he is a ferocious prosecutor. He either intentionally threw it or is the most incompetent prosecutor ever. And that’s not his history. He’s only lost one case in 30 years.

              Like

            • 2dogsonly,
              After the verdict, there were comments on another blog by those who are of the opinion that the state threw the case. That blog’s owner also took that stand. No problem. What I hoped to see were posts supporting that opinion. At the time, I stood in neutral territory.

              What I saw during the trial was more directed at O’Mara’s dirty tricks. For example, as Lisa pointed out in her book, Judge Nelson should have never allowed Donnelly to take the witness stand. He had sat in court before he was named as a witness. O’Mara pulled an ambush. The prosecution did not see that coming. As the saying goes, hind sight is always 20/20.

              Before the ink was dry on the verdict, Juror B37 interviewed on AC360 and that launched me into re-watching juror voir dire and reporting and making a video about it. What I posted on 3Chics about it got more than 6,000 views in one day, and moderating comments was almost like screening airport passengers for WMDs. It didn’t leave me much time to get back to what I observed of O’Mara’s dirty tricks.

              We can agree to disagree although what I hope, eventually, is that a person or persons who believe that the State intentionally threw the case, would give their reasons why based on the trial. What did they hear in words, and not general performance, that indicates deliberately throwing the case? Was it lack of cross-examination and if so, what could have been done differently?

              If the state deliberately threw the case, then why is it that some jurors went into deliberations believing that Zimmerman was guilty?

              In other words, I’m not beyond being convinced to change my position but for that to happen, I have to know why and be able to support it with what can be heard at trial.

              Like

            • Your article on 3 chico’s was wonderful.

              Xena asks:”Why did some jurists believe he was guilty if state wasn’t trying to throw the trial,”
              2dogs says: “well, he was obviously guilty and they had to work to overlook that fact which Judge Corrupt came thru for them when one, I think 37, tried to ask a question and was essentially told don’t bother ( am paraphrasing here). And in jury instructions, left out the all important part of need to retreat if you are initiating confrontation. They were told to concentrate only on the self defense and not what led up to it.

              My personal feeling about MOM is that’s what defense attorneys do and it’s up to the prosecutors to stop stupidity. BDLR let so much stupid shenanigans in, I just imagine he and West’s conversations behind closed doors, e.g. “Oh, can you believe they let uncle do right testify that what he heard in war 30 yrs. ago would have any relevance to a kid screaming or even an adult screaming in terror.?” Just for starters. No objection from state on this bit of complete stupidity. And the cardboard oh and the concrete is a weapon. No objection from this seasoned prosecutor. No interference when West put Rachael thru hell on the stand. No ” asked and answered”.

              Forgive me Xena, for disagreeing with you on your own blog which is wonderful but really if they weren’t trying to throw the case, then why did Angela Corey have that great smile.,and she’s as tough as BDLR.

              Like

            • 2dogsonly,
              No need to apologize for disagreeing.

              For starters, opening and closing statements are not testimony. Seldom are there objections and seldom do judges sustain unless it’s an actual statement of testimony given by the attorney.

              I was disappointed that Judge Nelson allowed Donnelley to testify, and also that she didn’t allow the initial aggressor portion of the law to be included in jury instructions. The question is, would that have changed the biased mind of Juror B37?

              The case went to the jury and as Frank Taaffe made it clear before the verdict, the jury was breached.

              Whenever there is a case that makes national news and involves race, our federal U.S. Attorneys know that effects the decision of jurors. The thing is, they have to allow the states to first exercise jurisdiction and if by chance the defendant is convicted, then there is less work for the feds.

              Of course Corey smiled. Most politicians only have two facial expressions — scowling and smiling. 🙂

              Like

          • roderick2012

            @ Xena

            But you have to question why the state didn’t use one of its challenges to get rid of B37 and why they allowed an all-female jury be seated when it’s common knowledge that women are more likely to acquit than men.

            Thanks for clearing up the fact that Piglet didn’t send those ‘inflammatory’ texts to either Tracy or Al Sharpton. I had a difficult time believing that Sharpton could keep anything like that a secret even if it were for a good reason.

            We will continue to agree to disagree that the trial was thrown especially after the fact that the State didn’t ask that the contents of Trayvon’s cell phone be sealed along with Piglet’s text messages and what not.

            Like

            • Roderick,

              But you have to question why the state didn’t use one of its challenges to get rid of B37 and why they allowed an all-female jury be seated when it’s common knowledge that women are more likely to acquit than men.

              They did try. O’Mara argued that the other jurors that the prosecution challenged were all White women.

              We will continue to agree to disagree that the trial was thrown especially after the fact that the State didn’t ask that the contents of Trayvon’s cell phone be sealed along with Piglet’s text messages and what not.

              The state had no reason to request that the contents of Trayvon’s cell phone be sealed because the contents were inadmissible evidence. O’Mara’s releasing of the purported contents, (still no evidence that Trayvon had knowledge of the secret section), was nothing more than his attempt to taint the jury pool and give the haters something to throw around to disparage Trayvon.

              Even with Zimmerman’s texts being sealed, the state could have entered them into evidence, but only had Zimmerman taken the stand to testify. In other words, the same rule of evidence applies to both parties.

              Like

          • I think the prosecution was surprised and disappointed by the court testimonies of Serino and Singleton. One has to wonder how the jury “received” their testimonies.

            Like

            • Yahtzee,
              Juror B37 mentioned on AC360 about Serino’s testimony — the part that Judge Nelson told the jury to ignore. She didn’t mention about Singleton’s testimony. Also, Juror B37 mistook Donnelly for a physician.

              I was waiting for the state to ask Serino about the Capias he prepared. Since they did not, I have to presume it’s because that is something the feds did not want brought up at the state’s trial.

              Like

          • Wonder if Serino’s lawyer, Jose Baez, will become involved again at some point.

            Like

          • roderick2012

            Xena : They did try. O’Mara argued that the other jurors that the prosecution challenged were all White women.

            I thought there were two types of challenges. One where you could have a juror removed for any reason and the reason was that she lied because part of her testimony she stated that he didn’t read newspapers or listen to the media but she called the demonstrations riots.

            Xena :The state had no reason to request that the contents of Trayvon’s cell phone be sealed because the contents were inadmissible evidence.

            Or as Dr. Bao stated the State believed that Trayvon got what he deserved as witnessed by the State agreeing that Trayvon actually punched Piglet.

            Xena :Even with Zimmerman’s texts being sealed, the state could have entered them into evidence, but only had Zimmerman taken the stand to testify. In other words, the same rule of evidence applies to both parties

            I’m sorry but the fact that the State agreed with the Defense to have Piglet’s texts sealed proves that they weren’t on Trayvon’s side nor did they plan to win the case in the court of public opinion (the same one from which the jurors are picked during a high profile case).

            Like

            • roderick,

              thought there were two types of challenges. One where you could have a juror removed for any reason and the reason was that she lied because part of her testimony she stated that he didn’t read newspapers or listen to the media but she called the demonstrations riots.

              Correct; pre-empt and for cause. Each side only has so many. I remember some discussion on Leatherman’s blog that the State probably didn’t object to Juror B37 at voir dire because they wanted to save their pre-empts and then have her rejected for cause.

              Or as Dr. Bao stated the State believed that Trayvon got what he deserved as witnessed by the State agreeing that Trayvon actually punched Piglet.

              That, I can believe because in an interview after trial, Corey said that they never denied there was an altercation. Yet at trial, they did argue that none of Zimmerman’s DNA was found on Trayvon fingernails. That would be inconsistent but what I think is that Corey did not investigate alternatives as to how Zimmerman got his ‘s boo-boos so she defaulted to his head bashing story.

              I did anticipate an expert witness to testify that the gun’s recoil is how Zimmerman hurt his nose. Also, I was disappointed that the State did not remind the jury the chronological order of Zimmerman’s story. He shimmied his head off the sidewalk. When he shot and killed Trayvon, the concrete was no longer a “weapon.”

              I’m sorry but the fact that the State agreed with the Defense to have Piglet’s texts sealed proves that they weren’t on Trayvon’s side nor did they plan to win the case in the court of public opinion (the same one from which the jurors are picked during a high profile case).

              I could agree with this if not but for the fact that there was (an still is) an open federal investigation.

              Like

          • roderick2012

            Xena: That, I can believe because in an interview after trial, Corey said that they never denied there was an altercation. Yet at trial, they did argue that none of Zimmerman’s DNA was found on Trayvon fingernails. That would be inconsistent but what I think is that Corey did not investigate alternatives as to how Zimmerman got his ‘s boo-boos so she defaulted to his head bashing story.

            This should have been the biggest trial of Corey’s career as well as Bernie and John Guy’s yet they had over a year to prepare a motive and alternative theories , but they gave the jury nothing at trial.

            Why did the State depose Shelly right before the trial and not call her to establish Piget’s state of mind?
            We all know that Piglet’s life was falling apart. He had allowed his friends to throw him a graduation party even though he knew he wasn’t graduating.

            Joe Oliver stated that Piglet was a recovering alcoholic who had contacted Oliver about a week before Piglet murdered Trayvon probably to tell his AA sponsor that he had fallen off the wagon. He murdered Trayvon three days before he was supposed to be evicted which gave him a really good motive to catch a bad guy and hold him until the police arrived so he could be the hero.
            Xena:I did anticipate an expert witness to testify that the gun’s recoil is how Zimmerman hurt his nose. Also, I was disappointed that the State did not remind the jury the chronological order of Zimmerman’s story. He shimmied his head off the sidewalk. When he shot and killed Trayvon, the concrete was no longer a “weapon.”

            There should have been several expert witnesses ( especially an MMA expert and a re-enactment by people who were approximately the same as Trayvon and Piglet)but all we got were prosecution witnesses who had not been prepared by the prosecution team.

            Why were Osterman or John Good called if the State weren’t planning to claim that they were co-conspirators because they were both defense witnesses and the State if it had tried would have been able to impeach their pro-Piglet testimony.
            Xena:I could agree with this if not but for the fact that there was (an still is) an open federal investigation.

            The text messages were labeled as ‘inflammatory’ which probably means ‘racial’ so why was the FBI wasting time interviewing Piglet’s friends to determine if Piglet were racist?
            I think that crazy is correct and Papa Zimmerman either knows a lot of secrets about some powerful people or he knows people who know secrets about powerful people.

            Like

            • Roderick,
              I have some of the same questions that you do. What we don’t have are answers. Still, it’s my impression that regardless of what the prosecution didn’t do, that Juror B37 received her instructions from O’Mara during voir dire, and she was going to keep that jury in deliberations until they reached a not guilty verdict.

              think that crazy is correct and Papa Zimmerman either knows a lot of secrets about some powerful people or he knows people who know secrets about powerful people.

              George worked for a company that gave him access to the personal information of others. Most of those companies, as well as lawyers who work in collections, subscribe to services that provide that information. George went door-to-door getting the names of his neighbors when he was starting neighborhood watch.

              Just like the cyber-extortionists, they don’t want personal information for the truth but rather, to use it to intimidate, lie to slander and defame, intimidate family members and friends, wreck havoc at places of employment, and register with background check sites to change that information to agree with their lies.

              Like

            • Four days away from the anniversary of our world view shifting, a walk down memory land and some of what state failed to present. H/t to bcc.list
              http://bcclist.com/2012/09/11/links-to-sites-created-by-bcclist-com-commenters-regarding-the-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-shooting/

              Like

    • Wow Oh Wow!

      Like

  14. DOJ need to get Osterman too. He went on Dr. Phil & said when Shellie called him & said Z shot someone, Osterman said on Dr. Phil he shot someone else.
    Also in the FBI reports from Z’s fiance she said Z went to play basketball & Z came home late & was very quiet & she got a call from another female telling her Z was questioned by the police. Lots of secrets. The Ostermans, Shellie, Jonathan Good, Jenna, all know more.
    They need to be subpoenaed.

    Like

  15. Tubs told Det. Singletary that a nice witness”his words” called his wife and she called ” my friend Mark who was there and they were here in 5 min”. I think that’s the call MOM wanted kept quiet cause it would be too ” explosive”. We thought it was due to finding out Shelly was not even at their home that evening. But there was a reason for that bank photo, left un identified. I think Frank is absolutely telling the truth when he says that call was to Mark. I think tubs called Mark , as he was still in the car , to fill in what he had just done. And that’s why he took him. Shellie and dogs into his home while all hell began to break lose.
    And apparently Mark was the “security person ” that accompanied tubs out of jail but 100lbs. Heavier. ( Mark)

    Like

  16. Aware, I don’t remember anything about tub’s having a fiancé either. He took up with honey pot right after trial ended but that was long after the Dr. Phil show.

    Like

  17. I want to let you all know that Frank Taaffee is planning on writing a book. The information is on his facebook page.

    Like

    • Bonnie, nothing has been posted on Taaffe’s Facebook page since April. If he posted about writing a book before then, that has now been rendered moot with his most recent interview where he said that he is not writing a book.

      Like

      • In two hours EST,it will be a one year anniversary when my world shifted. The Martins are making the world a better place, Rachael graduated from HS and is going to be on CBS ( check that) morning talk show tomorrow.
        Ok, nothing is ever perfect…tubs is still free but the hurt we and they felt is less acute and it is always painful to see the depth of the law descend when the entire fucken world is watching.
        But the hurt was so much more intense one year ago, if you want to read some heart wrenching comments, click back to bcc.list and damn if he didn’t get his first troll at the end.. Crick never had a troll, he made us quote where we were getting info before expressing an opinion.
        We still keep Tray in our hearts and the Martins in our thoughts.
        Thanks, Xena for giving us a place to continue to post and word salad at new Whonoze too. Very very very grateful for this.

        Like

        • Hi 2dogsonly,

          For me “the hurt” is just as strong today as it was a year ago. IMO, it is just as strong for those who understand the implications of the verdict and for those who continue to be DIRECTLY affected by the verdict.

          The verdict was a heart wrenching eyeopener displaying the state our country is in….not just Seminole County…not just Florida.

          I would assert that the power of the strong “hurt”, the deep grief, the sickening, shattered inner feeling, the righteous anger and incensed reaction to the verdict has been used this last year and at the present as fuel and in a constructive and effective to push for positive change.

          The tears that were flowing in eyes the night of the verdict have been relegated to the heart so that the task ahead can be seen clear vision. Strong determination can now be seen in those eyes.

          Like

%d bloggers like this: