Two Dads Meet – Peter Rodger and Richard Martinez
Richard Martinez and Peter Rodger
Peter Rodger’s son, Elliot, went on a shooting spree, taking the lives of 6 people on May 24, 2014. Elliot wrote angry pieces and taped YouTube videos talking about violence, murder, and his hatred of blonde White women for rejecting him. Among those Elliot killed was 20-year old Christopher Martinez.
Christopher’s dad, Richard, was very vocal about gun violence.
“Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA. They talk about gun rights. What about Chris’ right to live? When will this insanity stop? When will enough people say stop this madness? We should say to ourselves, not one more.”
Now, Christopher’s dad, Richard Martinez, and Elliot’s dad, Peter Rodger, have met.
The two men embraced. This is the picture of what true sorrow, and forgiveness looks like:
Martinez told ABC News affiliate KEYT-TV, “We plan to work together so other families such as ours will not suffer as ours have. This was a private conversation between grieving fathers who’ve reached common ground.”
In my opinion, these two fathers are like healing ointment to each other. They are serving as a good example for others. This is what works, not the “I’m sorry for the loss of your son” followed with excuses.
Posted on 06/17/2014, in Conceal Carry & SYG, Heroes and tagged Christopher Martinez, Elliot Rodger, healing, Peter Rodger, Richard Martinez. Bookmark the permalink. 109 Comments.
We Hold These Truths To Be Self-Evident 
Reblogged this on The ObamaCrat™.
LikeLike
Mornin’ friend!
LikeLike
This was a beautiful post, thank you for sharing it with us. Good morning to you.
LikeLike
I can’t start to fathom the heart break and sorrow that each of these fathers face with the loss of their sons… Thank you Xena for providing us with a chance to see what true humanity toward our fellow man is like…
LikeLike
Mornin’ crazy1946! Kinda shows that good can come from evil when the hearts of those effected by evil are good. It’s such a change from the usual attempts to protect the reputation the perpetrator by demonizing the victim.
LikeLike
Reblogged this on The Student Becomes The Teacher.
LikeLike
Thanks for the reblog, Iboogie81.
LikeLike
*tears*…. with the hope that our nation will listen to these two fathers.
LikeLike
The SCOTUS sided with the Obama Administration yesterday on the ‘Strawman’ purchase of guns, against the NRA. Baby Steps but I honestly believe when the 2nd A is pushed for a definition, it won’t go the way the gun nuts hope it will.
These 2 Fathers have lost more than most of us will suffer in a life time. In their sorrow may they find some peace.
LikeLike
mindyme,
You mean like “militia” will be obsolete because America now has military forces to protect our land? And, “arms” will be determined by the 21st Century rather than the 1700’s?
Sounds good to me. 🙂
Yes!
LikeLike
Xena….one correction back in 1775 we were British citizens with the world’s best army.
LikeLike
towerflower,
That might be true, but the Second Amendment was not adopted until 1791. Some historians, based on an 1876 federal case, believe that the Second Amendment provided a civic duty to protect the state.
LikeLike
The federal 2A may have, but each of the 13 original states constitutions were very clear in assigning the right to bear arms and defend one’s self as an individual right with no mention of militias. History shows the right was clearly personal for anyone who has really looked into it. As an example, the PA state constitution, article 1, section 21: “Right to bear arms:
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of
themselves and the State shall not be questioned.”
LikeLike
Jeff,
Welcome to Blackbutterfly7 and thanks for your comment.
Look at the title of this post, please. It’s not about anyone who used a gun in self-defense, nor to protect the state. Two fathers have lost their sons. Other parents also lost their children due to Elliot Roger’s actions. The Second Amendment gives citizens a constitutional right to bear arms, but it doesn’t give citizens the constitutional right to commit the offense of murder.
It’s about gun control.
LikeLike
What if the 2nd A were defined to mean only the arms available at the time it was written! lol
LikeLike
mindyme,
You mean muskets? LOL!
LikeLike
This is so beautiful. THIS is how healing begins – not just for the parents, but for our entire nation. Like you said, “This is the picture of what true sorrow, and forgiveness looks like.” Not pointing fingers or condemning each other. My GOD, can you imaging how different things would have been if the Zimmerman family had been so honest and sorrowful? Imagine how this nation could look without pointing fingers and making a dead child and his family to be the bad guy.
GZ as well as his crappy lawyer could have helped heal this nation, but instead divided it.
These two, even in their deepest pain, will help do for each other and the nation what GZ and his ilk ripped apart.
LikeLike
Rachael,
I do so hope that you’re right, and I feel the same way.
LikeLike
The NRA is Targeting Kids as New Gun Buyers
Despite harrowing tragedies like Caroline’s death, the National Rifle Association is committed to expanding firearm ownership among children. The NRA’s recent convention in Indianapolis included a “Youth Day” to promote firearms for children, an event from which the media was banned. For years, gun manufacturers and the NRA have marketed firearms to children ages 5 to 12, insisting that programs such as the Eddie Eagle Safety Program ensure the safety of children. If they truly believe this, they are mistaken.
The overwhelming empirical evidence indicates that the presence of a gun makes children less safe; that programs such as Eddie Eagle are insufficient; and that measures the NRA and extreme gun advocates vehemently oppose, such as gun safes and smart guns, could dramatically reduce the death toll. Study after study unequivocally demonstrates that the prevalence of firearms directly increases the risk of youth homicide, suicide, and unintentional death. This effect is consistent across the United States and throughout the world. As a country, we should be judged by how well we protect our children. By any measure, we are failing horribly.
The United States accounts for nearly 75 percent of all children murdered in the developed world. Children between the ages of 5 and 14 in the United States are 17 times more likely to be murdered by firearms than children in other industrialized nations.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/06/gun_deaths_in_children_statistics_show_firearms_endanger_kids_despite_nra.html
LikeLike
OMG
LikeLike
Roderick…..I am a NRA certified Instructor for Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun, and Home Safety. I can assure you that the safe storing of firearms has always been supported by the NRA. In fact they teach that you do not store a firearm and ammo in the same place. Why? So that they don’t get into the hands of someone who shouldn’t have it, ie children. Also one of the 3 basic rules of gun handling, which is also taught by the NRA and shown at just about every gun range around, is keep the firearm unloaded until ready to fire. For those wishing to have one at the ready for home defense, they suggest (they suggest because it can’t be forced) you to own a quick release type of safe like this http://www.gunsafes.com/The-Gun-Box-RFID-Biometric-Gun-Box.html
The Eddie Eagle Program is a gun safety program, yes aimed at children, but it does not promote the child to own a gun. I use this program when teaching BB shooting. They teach 4 rules if a child sees a firearm:
1. STOP
2. DON’T touch.
3. Leave the Room.
4. Tell an adult.
I stress to the children that you can’t assume the gun you see will be a toy and that it might be real. I also instruct them that if there isn’t an adult present in the home then they should leave immediately and go home to tell their parents. I will also tell them that ‘unloaded’ guns do kill…..that will get a few confused looks until I explain to them that the first comment made by some is “I thought it was unloaded”. When I talk to them I just don’t tell them the rules, I also tell them stories that they can relate to one of which involved my own son. He had a gun pulled on him and a friend as they rode home from school on their bikes. He thought it was a real gun but it turned out to be an illegal airsoft pistol (I say illegal because it didn’t have the require orange tip). It was a realistic replica….just like the boy in CA had a realistic looking assault rifle missing the orange tip when he was confronted by the police and shot when he didn’t drop the rifle. I pressed charges against the boys….one who aimed the gun and the other who was driving and I did so because of how I feel about gun safety, I didn’t care if it was a toy, my son and his friend thought it was real. The teens who did this, thought it was all a joke and it didn’t sink in until they were told by the police they were lucky they didn’t witness it because then they would have returned fire after seeing the gun. But it comes down to education, not only for the owner but also education for the children in the household.
The NRA has numerous safety programs but it all comes down to the responsibility of the gun owner.
LikeLike
The National Rifle Association on Sunday offered young children free membership and the opportunity to win a high-powered rifle or shotgun.
A “Youth Day” at the influential gun lobby group’s annual convention in Indianapolis was scheduled to culminate with a prize draw in which participants could take home a WBY-X rifle or shotgun supplied by Weatherby, a major firearms manufacturer and a sponsor of the event. All were also given a free six-month youth membership of the NRA.
Media were banned from covering Youth Day. When the Guardian approached the ballroom in which the event was to take place, one of two police officers guarding the room ordered a reporter to leave and said no journalists were even allowed to be in the adjacent 350-yard corridor.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/27/nra-children-membership-youth-day-guns
LikeLike
Roderick, please tell me this is a joke. It’s as if the NRA is trying to replace parenting. There was a time, (and some parents still) take their young ones hunting and they teach them how to safely use rifles for that purpose. Children who are not taught and see that guns kill, do not have the mind to comprehend that it includes their pets and other humans. As sad as it might sound, seeing the death of an animal when hunting conveys a powerful message to young minds that includes a respect for life.
LikeLike
Xena:Roderick, please tell me this is a joke. It’s as if the NRA is trying to replace parenting.
Unfortunately many of the children were taken to the event by their parents.
Let’s hope none of their offspring emulate the Menedez Brothers when they grow up.
LikeLike
Roderick2012
True. Very true.
LikeLike
Roderick, I didn’t follow any of the convention but I have no doubt that what you said occurred. The NRA has offered youth membership for quite some time and when I was a teen, I was also a NRA member. The NRA has had a youth program for many years….over 40 for sure. It teaches marksmanship for competitive shooting, this is what I became involved in. This is the type of shooting that you see in the Olympics and I guarantee you there isn’t an assault weapon in the group. I don’t agree with all the ideas that the NRA has but it’s easier to have a voice when you belong to the group than on the outside.
LikeLike
@ TF, why did they ban the media/
What are they trying to hide?
LikeLike
The NRA is out of control!
LikeLike
Roderick…. First I am a NRA certified instructor for rifle, shotgun, pistol and home safety. I can assure you that the NRA promotes the use of gun safes. Their safety courses include the advice of owning a safe to secure your firearm from those you do not want to have access to them. They also train that you should keep your firearm and ammo separate. There are even biometric type safes for those who wish to have a firearm available for home defense in which you can retrieve it with ease but still prevent a child or stranger from getting access to it.
One of the 3 basic safety rules for the NRA and one that you will find at any range is that the firearm is kept unloaded until ready to fire.
The Eddie Eagle program is designed for youth and safety around guns. They have 4 rules.
1. STOP
2. DON’T TOUCH.
3. Leave the area.
4. Tell an adult.
I use this program when teaching BB shooting to youth. I also include real life stories on how not following the rules can cause serious harm and even death. I stress to them that you can rarely tell the difference now between a “toy” air soft gun and the real thing and to treat any gun seen as the real thing and to follow the 4 rules.
The problem is you can’t force an adult to take a safety class when they buy a firearm unless they want to have a Concealed license.
Yes the loss of a child’s life to a firearm is truly a tragic thing but to blame the NRA’s program as being a failure on that is not being fair…..after all how many of the children who lost their life went through the training? Or how many of those who pulled the trigger went through the training? It all comes down to the responsibility of the gun owner to get the safety training. Sadly you have too many adults who never go through any of the safety courses offered and those with children in the household do not get the Eddie Eagle training.
For the record, I do believe that the NRA could do more by supporting safety training to anyone who wants to buy a firearm and include the Eddie Eagle program if there is a child in the household.
LikeLike
townflower,
I would say not to many children went through training. Would it have saved lives? Perhaps a few do to accidental shootings. However, I believe the risk of having a gun in the household, and children aware of a gun, is far more of a risk, than a child who was not aware of a gun in the household, becoming curious, and an accident occurring.
Yes we have too many adults who have never gone through any of the safety courses, what is sadder is that many of them should not have guns in the first place. I’ll bet there are more guns bought in the household illegally then those purchased in gun shops. Do you think the estimated 20 mil or plus who are in the country illegally who own guns bought them in shops and took safety courses? The problem is not guns, it’s whose using the guns.
Times have changed, we are not in the era when I grew up with a dad who took me and my brothers out to the range to go duck hunting, where we sat in the cold at dawn waiting for that one duck to fly over. I never hear that story coming out of any kids mouth now days. It’s not a pretty world these days, filled with gangs, no fathers or many who spend no time with their children, a society of crazies and adults who are irresponsible. Yes there are those responsible gun owners who buy them for self defense, but I’ll bet a pretty penny more guns are used in crime 50 times more. Look at the cases we have been discussing, those who took those safety courses. Legal to carry, yes, but a nut is still a nut.
Walk outside and tell me how many kids you see dressed in there little boyscout uniforms waiting to go to school. I don’t see any. Kids 5-12 or any age don’t need to be around guns of any kind. Gone are the days of dress up cops and robbers, we are talking drive-bys now. They don’t need to practice at the shooting range, they had all the training needed playing shoot-em up video games.
LikeLike
Dreamer, You are so right. It most certainly IS a different world today
LikeLike
Dreamer, I agree it is a different world. I’m not sure which would get more curiosity from a child. But with a lot of these “accidental” type of shootings involving a child it is because the parent left it within reach of the child. That to me is an irresponsible gun owner. I also support the laws of some states (don’t know how many have them but Florida does) where an adult can be criminally responsible for a child getting ahold of a firearm, sometimes they choose not to prosecute because of the suffering of the parent if they lost a child because of it. I also believe there are quite a few people who should never have a Concealed License or own a firearm–Z comes to mind. IMO, when you have someone who has taken mind altering medication for so long they should not be able to acquire a firearm and he has proven time and time again that his anger gets the better of him.
There can be a Catch-22 with some of the mental cases. You can’t buy or get a concealed if you have been declared mentally incompetent by a judge or spent time in a mental institution. You have to also get past HIPA laws with mental reporting and some agencies do not have shared information with those agencies doing checks. The VA tech shooter fell into one of these loopholes when a judge kept him out of a mental institution and let him go for outpatient treatment instead–this loophole has since been closed because of this case.
But I do believe that if firearms are taken from law abiding citizens those who do not honor the law will still find and acquire them for their illegal acts, sadly our borders are not that secure which is evident by the amount of illegal drugs that still come in from across our borders.
But it still comes down to education and the responsibility of the gun owner in regards to when someone gets ahold of a gun within the household.
LikeLike
towerflower,
I do agree with you that those who want a gun to commit a crime will find and acquire them for their illegal acts. I feel that any gun owner should be held responsible if a minor is found with a gun in their possession, and charged if it is used in a crime. True they will find another means to acquire one if they want it, but as everything, if it is there within your reach, chances are you will use it, than if not. If you really want a drink (alcohol), you are far more likely to have that drink if it is right in front of you, then if you have to get up and go to the store. I will eat those chocolate chip cookies sitting on the plate, but not a chance I will get my fat arse off the couch and go out in the 120 degree weather to the store to get them. If a kid in the heat of the moment gets mad at someone, he is more than likely to grab a gun in the household and go shoot up the school, than if he has to go out and acquire one. He probably isn’t thinking about that Eddie Eagle Safety course he took either.
I don’t know the answers, I just don’t like the idea that there are so many guns out there not being used for the sport, nor do I like the fact that these gun fanatics are able to carry in the store when I take my 5 year old grandson to the store. How can we justify our children getting expelled from school for bringing a mini lego gun, when adults are walking around everywhere with the real thing?
As far as the illegal drugs coming across the boarder, supply and demand. If we in the USA weren’t using them, then they would have no reason to supply them.
LikeLike
towerflower,
Sorry. I think your comment automatically went to spam either because of the length, or because Word Press had the hiccups. It is now set free. 🙂
LikeLike
That image of those two fathers embracing is powerful; they both lost sons.
LikeLike
Jackie,
Yes, it is powerful. Speaks volumes. I’m hoping the best comes from their meeting.
LikeLike
LikeLike
Excerpt from linked article in above tweet:
Early weeks of June
More than 600,000 Americans clicked on the link and signed up, activating the postcard-generating tool. More than 127,000 tweets with the hashtag #notonemore have been sent, according to Topsy, a social media search service.
This will culminate in the delivery of more than 2.4 million postcards—one to each of the participants’ senators, congressional representative and governor.
Everytown’s list of supporters has grown to nearly 2 million, allowing them to send numerous emails. In the weeks after the postcard campaign, every person on the list has received numerous emails signed by Moore, Bloomberg and others with links to share on Facebook and Twitter.
I recommend reading the entire article to see what efforts are being made and what organizations are involved.
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/06/17/hashtag-activism-how-notonemore-caught-fire-online/?mod=WSJBlog
LikeLike
“20,000 mourners chant ‘Not One More’ at memorial service for California shooting victims”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10859588/20000-mourners-chant-Not-One-More-at-memorial-service-for-California-shooting-victims.html
LikeLike
LikeLike
Words of Christopher Martinez in video above:
“These people we elect to Congress, and we spend so much money on. These people are getting rich sitting in Congress.
“And what do they do? They don’t take care of our kids!
“My kid died because NOBODY responded to what occurred at Sandy Hook! Those parents lost little kids.
“Who is standing up for those kids that died back then in an elementary school?! Why wasn’t something done?!”
I pray that Congress WILL hear the cries of the children and ACT NOW!
LikeLike
Published on Dec 19, 2012 by Betsy Ramirez
Dedicated to the victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting on December 14, 2012 in Newtown, Connecticut. Pray of the Children by Kurt Bestor.
LikeLike
LikeLike
LikeLike
“How long will Washington remain in denial?”
LikeLike
Yahtzee, Unfortunately, it will be for as long as terrorist groups like the NRA are allowed to buy our congressmen and women… Remove the money and you will remove the support… If anyone finds offense to my opinion that the NRA is a terrorist group, then try to remember that “my 1st amendment” rights were written before your “2nd amendment was written” and in addition the right to life was established long before the 2nd amendment was even a thought… As long as the NRA thru its management continues to insist on blocking any and all laws that could reduce the death toll from possession of the WMD’s that they cherish so much they should be considered a menace to society and thus a terrorist organization…
LikeLike
LikeLike
LikeLike
Was posted on Youtube April 24, 2013
LikeLike
LOVE THIS!!
LikeLike
B.G.
(Administrator’s Note: This post is not about your sexual delusions. Bye)
LikeLike
“A Tiny, Secret, Street Art Monument In Boston Remembers Trayvon Martin”
http://artery.wbur.org/2014/06/18/matthew-hincman
LikeLike
this is So cool!!
LikeLike
Yahtzee, thanks so much for sharing this. Trayvon lives on in the hearts of millions.
So, when is the NRA going to do a monument for Zimmerman? Oh — that’s right. They did not support him. It doesn’t appear that anyone else wants to be associated with him either — not even his former defense lawyers.
LikeLike
Yes, it really is cool, Mindy, and Xena, YES Trayvon DOES live on in the hearts of MILLIONS!
LikeLike
LikeLike
LikeLike
LikeLike
LikeLike
Here is the latest attempt at mass murder…
http://www.policymic.com/articles/91427/the-university-of-washington-just-avoided-a-repeat-of-the-isla-vista-mass-shooting
Will it ever end?
LikeLike
Bibb Crime Files: Man accidentally shoots himself in penis
A Macon man was treated at Coliseum Northside hospital Thursday after he accidentally shot himself in the penis.
The man was parked at the gas station at about 9:30 p.m. when he attempted to holster his .45. Immediately after the gun went off, he drove to a friend’s house in Lake Wildwood. When he got to the friends house, he took off his pants and saw that he had “shot himself in the penis and that the bullet exited out of his buttocks.” The spent round fell onto the floor.
The man’s friend drove him to Coliseum Northside hospital and he was then transferred to the Medical Center of Central Georgia.
http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/macon/2014/06/16/crime-reports-macon-june-16/10631943/
LikeLike
OUCH!
glitter-graphics.com
LikeLike
My husband, after I read this to him, said, “Well, he was exercising his right to carry his gun in public….sometimes there is a price to pay.” 🙂
LikeLike
Maybe, they can make stainless steel covers or bullet proof sleeves for that area. 🙂
LikeLike
LikeLike
LikeLike
“Civil trial in boy’s accidental gun death underway”
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Civil-trial-in-boy-s-accidental-gun-death-underway-5562451.php
LikeLike
“Naumkins Go to Civil Trial, as “Nicholas’ Law” Goes to Legislature”
http://albany.twcnews.com/content/news/745781/naumkins-go-to-civil-trial–as–nicholas–law–goes-to-legislature/
LikeLike
LikeLike
“Nicholas Naumkin wrongful death lawsuit settled before trial’s end
By Bob Gardinier”
Updated 6:15 pm, Thursday, June 19, 2014
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Deputy-Naumkin-playmate-initially-denied-boys-5564556.php
LikeLike
“Tolan civil rights case to go to trial”
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Tolan-civil-rights-case-to-go-to-trial-5559285.php
LikeLike
Background info:
Uploaded on Mar 9, 2010
LikeLike
More background info (with video):
“ROBBIE TOLAN SPEAKING OUT AFTER US SUPREME COURT RULING”
http://abc13.com/archive/9535270/
May 12, 2014 5:56:41 PM PDT
By Kevin Quinn
BELLAIRE, TX — A bullet remains in his liver. But Robbie Tolan says he has not given up the fight that remains in his heart.
At a press conference Monday morning he stated, “This is bigger than Robbie Tolan. This is bigger than Trayvon Martin. My prayer is that we haven’t missed the meaning.”
It was Tolan’s first public comment since U.S. Supreme Court last week ruled that a federal appeals court had failed to consider his sequence of events the night he was shot by a Bellaire police officer outside his home in 2008. The justices ordered the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of appeals to reconsider his case.
Tolan was unarmed and shot New Year’s Eve 2008 outside his parents’ home. Police mistakenly believed he was armed and had stolen a vehicle.
He and his family filed a lawsuit against a Bellaire police officer and city officials, alleging unconstitutional excessive force was used when he was shot. A federal district court judge in Houston granted a summary judgment in favor of Sgt. Jeffrey Cotton and the city, agreeing with their arguments that government officials have immunity from civil lawsuits unless their conduct violated a clearly established right. In 2010, a jury acquitted Sgt. Cotton of criminal charges.
Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee is now asking the U.S. Department of Justice to review the federal civil case. She tells Eyewitness News that there may even be value in reviewing the state criminal case again.
Benjamin Crump, the attorney who represented Trayvon Martin, has also now been hired to represent Tolan. He says they will “never stop standing up for justice” and that the civil case should be heard by a jury.
Bellaire Police have refused to comment. The attorney for Sgt. Cotton, Bellaire police and city officials says the Supreme Court decision is procedural in nature and that he has seen nothing that would suggest to him that the court of appeals would not reaffirm its dismissal.”
LikeLike
From February 5, 2013
UNMASKING INJUSTICE – Local Racial Profiling Victim, Robbie Tolan, Featured in Powerful Documentary
http://forwardtimesonline.com/2013/index.php/state-local/item/690-unmasking-injustice-local-racial-profiling-victim-robbie-tolan-featured-in-powerful-documentary
LikeLike
“UPDATED: Federal Case Against Cop Who Shot Robbie Tolan Headed Back to Court
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2014/06/cop_shooting_tolan.php
LikeLike
Wrongful death suit filed against Cabell man who shot, killed new neighbor
June 11, 2014 1:42 PM
http://wvrecord.com/news/267724-wrongful-death-suit-filed-against-cabell-man-who-shot-killed-new-neighbor
LikeLike
LikeLike
I see that cartoon vanished.
Here is another one:
LikeLike
And, from an earlier AP article:
The judge in George Zimmerman’s defamation lawsuit against NBC Universal is set to hear arguments on a request by the media company to dismiss the case.
A hearing has been set for June 19.
LikeLike
“Hearing today in George Zimmerman’s lawsuit against NBC”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit-20140619,0,5211694.story
5:39 a.m. EDT, June 19, 2014
Excerpt:
NBC has asked Circuit Judge Debra Nelson to dismiss the lawsuit.
The hearing is set for 9:30 a.m.
LikeLike
Jeff Weiner @JeffWeinerOS · 16h
#GeorgeZimmerman vs. NBC hearing tomorrow -> MT @PIOFLCourts18: #Zimmerman v NBC
Hearing in Courtroom B, Civil Courthouse, June 19 @ 9:30 am
LikeLike
Rene Stutzman @renestutzman · 3m
#GeorgeZimmerman libel hearing about to begin in Sanford. No GZim.
NBC is asking judge to throw out suit.
LikeLike
I think that, because this is a CIVIL lawsuit, it will not be televised.
LikeLike
bob kealing @bobkealingwesh · 5m
We’re in court for #nbc motion to dismiss #GeorgeZimmerman liable suit against them. No sign of him so far. Follow @WESH for updates
LikeLike
Where’s George?
LikeLike
Rene Stutzman @renestutzman · 39s
Judge Nelson hasn’t gotten to the #GeorgeZImmerman libel case yet this morning. Is taking other cases first.Stand by.
LikeLike
Rene Stutzman @renestutzman
Here we go: Judge Nelson just announces the start of #GeorgeZimmerman v. NBC libel hearing.
LikeLike
bob kealing @bobkealingwesh
Update: #zimmerman vs #nbc called. NBC attorneys arguing for summary judgement in GZ defamation suit. @WESH
LikeLike
bob kealing @bobkealingwesh
NBC argues #zimmerman must prove “actual malice” GZ not in Sanford courtroom. Criminal trial Judge Debra Nelson hearing this civil case.
LikeLike
The hearing started about 35 minutes ago. I am still looking for a livestream.
LikeLike
Because it is civil, I don’t think there will be a live stream.
LikeLike
bob kealing @bobkealingwesh
Attorney for #nbc argues #TrayvonMartin death made #zimmerman public figure, protecting them from his defamation claim.@WESH
LikeLike
bob kealing @bobkealingwesh · 5s
Attorney for #zimmerman argues case should proceed, discovery evidence gathered. Public figure matter not appropriate argument now.@WESH
LikeLike
bob kealing @bobkealingwesh
Zimmerman atty argues GZ words took on more weight by #nbc manipulating them to make it appear he was looking for Martin b/c he was black
LikeLike
Reblogged this on idealisticrebel.
LikeLike
Barbara, thanks for the reblog.
LikeLike
It was a really important post. Congratulations! Hugs, Barbara
LikeLike
LikeLike
“Tell Target: Open Carry in Stores is #OffTarget”
http://www.momsdemandaction.org/target/?utm_content=bufferfd3b9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
“Show Target that moms mean business—by taking yours elsewhere. Target has allowed gun extremists to hold rallies in its parking lots and openly carry loaded guns in its stores.
“This weekend, go #OffTarget and spend your money at businesses that have gun sense. See below for a list of companies that already have taken a stand against open carry and for customer safety.
Then post photos of yourself shopping at Target’s competitors—or photos of what you bought there. Be sure to include an #OffTarget sign in the photo. Then, send your photos to photos@momsdemandaction.org; ”
LikeLike
“Businesses with gun sense*:
Amazon
Costco
Toys R Us
Babies R Us
Food Lion
Whole Foods
IKEA”
LikeLike
Cornelia @PaladinCornelia
@Target I’d love to buy your products in peace (not in pieces). Don’t welcome guns #OffTarget
Kim Valverde @klvalverde
@Target “You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling”~Now it’s “Bye, Bye, Bye” #GunSense #OffTarget #MomsDemand @shannonrwatts http://t.co/5WUJDha6Mm“
LikeLike
LikeLike
LikeLike
“It’s Time For Businesses To Take a Real Stand Against Open-Carry”
http://time.com/2873311/its-time-for-businesses-to-take-a-real-stand-against-open-carry/
LikeLike
LikeLike
LikeLike
“Most Dangerous Place For a Woman:Everytown for Gun Safety’s new report shows that, when it comes to guns, America is the most dangerous place in the developed world for a woman. It also talks about how to change that.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/articles/2014/06/18/most-dangerous-place-for-a-woman.html?utm_content=buffer672bc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
LikeLike
Peter Rodger is the direct descendant of the brother of John Witherspoon, one of the founding fathers of the United States.
LikeLike
Thanks for this info, V.E.G.
Wikipedia on John Witherspoon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Witherspoon
LikeLike