Open Discussion – May 28, 2014
Caterpillars, moths, butterflies and all creatures great and small;
NBC Breaking news has it that 4 Nigerian girls have escaped their captures.
ABC reports that the 13 people injured in Elliot Rodger’s rampage are recovering.
In response to a Supreme Court ruling that the city of Chicago cannot ban the sale of guns in the city, Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel has introduced a city ordinance that includes:
- Gun shops would be prohibited in 99.5 percent of the city. Stores would not be allowed to sell more than one handgun to individual buyers per month; they must open their books to police for inspection “at all reasonable times” and that gun stores have a video record of all transactions.
Puppy born with two cleft lips and a cleft palate is rescued and has surgery that inspires children born with the defect.
RIP Maya
What’s on your mind?
Posted on 05/28/2014, in open discussion, Potpourri and tagged City of Chicago gun ordinance, Elliot Rodger, Nigerian girls escape, open discussion, puppy inspiring children, victims recovering. Bookmark the permalink. 94 Comments.
We Hold These Truths To Be Self-Evident 
Hat tip to Crazy1946 who posted this link on the other thread.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mers-mystery/cdc-backtracks-illinois-man-didnt-have-mers-after-all-n116436
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What’s on my mind today are those who are afraid to go get an ice cream without being armed to the teeth. So sad to live in such fear and paranoia. I do believe we are moving towards redefining the 2nd Amendment.
How are you today Xena?
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Mindyme,
Such fear and yes, what we need to do is have the Supreme Court define the second amendment as it applied when it was written. It was about the intention of owning weapons.
Me? I’m pretty tired. Son is grilling steaks so I’m going to put together salad for dinner and relax afterwards. DP has until tomorrow to file suit against me for copyright infringement or the photo is restored. All his other copyright complaints were denied.
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Nice on the dinner! DiP is all talk. Maybe now he’ll give it a rest.
I don’t see any rulings on the 2A being what the ‘nuts’ want. Maybe it would be a good idea to tone it down and use some common sense.
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We have already tried it “their way,” as far as now even open carry in places where guns have NO business being – it isn’t working – IT IS NOT WORKING – sorry for shouting, but I feel like no one can hear me. Every day it is more and more and more. I know “they” don’t like it, but we really owe it to our children to try something else.
This is not the world I want my beautiful granddaughters to know. They are too young now, but this is not the future I want for them. They are too beautiful, all the children are.
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I agree Rachael. To do nothing says ‘we don’t really mind the way things are’ and that’s just not true.
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It’s not fear and paranoia, I know a person who does this and they think they are proving a point. IMO, they do more harm to the 2nd A then help.
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i agree, those losers who run around w assault rifles at taco bell do that for attention. they have no idea how irresponsible they look & how bad they are for the gunrights. they’re actually helping the gunsense crowd by parading into walmart like this.
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“It again raises the issue as to how the hell the rest of us are supposed to suss out the difference between a batshit insane bad person carrying a gun and a batshit insane “good” person carrying one or two or three guns. You know, so we know whether to feel “protected” or start running.”
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Mindyme,
That’s it!
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http://act.everytown.org/sign/NotOneMore/?source=fbno_notonemore&utm_source=fb_n_&utm_medium=_o&utm_campaign=notonemore
“Richard Martinez, whose son was killed in the Santa Barbara shootings, said the following:
“Today, I’m going to ask every person I can find to send a postcard to every politician they can think of with three words on it: Not One More. People are looking for something to do. I’m asking people to stand up for something. Enough is enough.”
We couldn’t agree more. Use this form to send a postcard to each of your members of Congress and your Governor.”
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alm383, I love your gravatar. Wish I could understand the language on your blog. Thanks so much for your visit.
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I love looking at pages like this:
Click to access %5BeBook%5D%201000%20kanjis%20-%20japanese%20dictionary.pdf
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“Outcry over Sterling’s remarks renew focus on housing bias lawsuits”
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-shelly-sterling-housing-lawsuits-20140529-story.html#page=1
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This is just too much! Posting through tears:
“Police: 3-year-old shot, killed younger brother”
Updated 4:16 pm, Wednesday, May 28, 2014
http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Police-3-year-old-shot-killed-younger-brother-5510491.php
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I really can’t take much more of this. Every effn day I post on Facebook of some senseless gunshot tragedy. WAKE UP AMERICA, are we any safer yet?
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I have to say, the silver lining of Maya’s passing (such as it is) was turning on the TV and hearing all the excerpts of her beautiful poetry. The news sounded so much more uplifting than usual this morning!
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eurobrat, I agree.
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I know my opinion won’t be popular…..but here goes. IMO, even if you take away all the guns, you will still have a problem with the mentally ill and they will find other ways. Like in 2-18-03 when Kim Dae-han, who was depressed and angry over his medical treatment, decided to kill himself and others–he didn’t want to die alone, so he started a fire in a subway train in S. Korea killing 198 and injuring 147. S. Korea has very strict gun control laws….you can get a permit for hunting or sport but you need to store the firearm in the police station. Or Gameel Al-Batouti, who was pissed at the airline who just demoted him and decided to crash EgyptAir 990 into the Atlantic killing 216. Or Aug 1, 2010 when Li Xianliang, in China, lost it and used a vehicle to kill others (up to 17 killed and 30 injured) he was later found to be mentally incompetent. China forbids gun ownership.
I could go on with these examples all of which have a high death toll. The loss of any innocent life is tragic but the real monster here is mental illness. These incidents started to climb since the 1980s and almost all the mass shootings had mental illness involved, the question should be why, what has changed since then? We have laws that protect the releasing of medical information. Right now as long as you haven’t been declared incompetent by a judge or spent time in a mental institution you can legally buy a firearm. Yet this CA shooter had been under the car of mental health experts since he was 8 yrs old but he didn’t fall into the needed categories. But more needs to be done to address mental health issues, we can’t ignore that.
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I don’t disagree with you. The problem is MUCH larger than guns. It is our whole sick violent instant gratification culture along with what you said. There isn’t just one problem here but many. Yes without guns we would still have a violent culture, without guns we would still have mentally ill, we would still have criminals etc. Yes, we would still have that WITHOUT guns.
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Very Good points.
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My point being, at least it would be WITHOUT guns – but again, we would still have to deal with it – but at least without guns.
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This CA shooter planned the event for over a year, that isn’t instant gratification. Yes, many shootings are instant but if not a gun, then what, a knife? A car? And yes, there are some cases where nothing might not have happened and it was instant gratification, like Jordan Davis since the situation didn’t allow him access to anything except his car and even then I doubt he would have used that while waiting for his g/f who was still in the store.
Also remember one thing, if there are not guns who is to say that a criminal wouldn’t still have one through other means?
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Again, there is no one-size fits all here. As far as instant gratification goes, sometimes it could mean you are angry – you reach for a gun and realize, after it is too late, you can’t put the bullet back – or in this case, sure, he may have planned it for years, but it all happened in an instant. He was finally angry enough to take that gun and use it.
And I think I totally already addressed the issue of “who is to say that a criminal wouldn’t still have one through other means?” That was kind of my whole point. Take away the guns and you will still have the violent angry instant gratification culture. As well as mentally ill and criminals
Taking away the guns might (or might not) be a start, but it is not THE answer. But at this point, I don’t think we can answer it with them. We have tried to for 200+ years now. Time to try something else.
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Guns have been in existence for how long? There was a time when people walked the streets carrying guns in the open. There’s a reason why towns and states legislated laws to stop that. People don’t necessarily change. Now, it appears we have come full-circle. We should go back in history to learn why the carrying of guns was not allowed.
In terms of mental health, it should be noted that medications and therapy have changed. When people are given medication intended to help them resolve what causes them depression, and when the patients believe their depression is caused by others, then how do they resolve the problem? By killing others and themselves.
Laws have never regulated the content of character. What I notice is that in the last 20 years or so, there has been an outright promotion of owning guns, and the reasons extend from self-defense to conspiracies of saving America from politicians.
If America cannot stop people who should not have guns from owning them, then maybe it’s time to consider allowing citizens to only be able to purchase rubber bullets unless they own rifles intended for hunting. Then, those bullets should only be sold during hunting seasons. I don’t know — just that human lives are too important to be subjected to the thoughts, assumptions and accidents of others.
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Exactly – I put my grandchildren’s rights to walk down the street, go to a movie, sit in a classroom, go to the mall and grow up over the rights of someone’s right to carry a gun.
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The earliest form of a firearm was in the 13th century and made by the Chinese. Things remained as muzzleloaders until the invention of the handgun in 1818.
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towerflower,
Thanks for the info. So I wonder, why is it that now America’s positions on guns has changed from protecting this country from invaders, hunting and maybe killing an occasional rattlesnake, to needing an arsenal for “self-defense”? What has changed in the minds and hearts of Americans?
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I believe things have changed, but I wonder if its changed as much as we think? Are we hearing alot more because the information is available through the internet, media, newspapers, tv, ect. We also know that there are 11 to 20 million people in our country here illegaly, and does that factor into this? The loss of jobs, loss of savings, retirement, homes? Alot to think about.
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In the eyes of some, it is an extreme distrust of the government today and add in some racism with the election of the first black president. They believe the government is hell bent on making us into something totally different from what the founding fathers had wanted.
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I love what Chicago did.
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renxkyoko,
I do too. Mayor Emmanuel as well as Gov. Quinn tried to stop legislation for conceal carry. They put forth a good effort. I only wish that the mayors of other cities in Illinois would follow Emmanuel’s example.
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Just a reminder:
“Wafer is scheduled to stand trial from June 2 through June 13.”
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/15/22314634-renisha-mcbride-shooting-trial-set-for-june?lite
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I’m looking forward to the Wafer trial and hope it’s live streamed.
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https://twitter.com/MrMilitantNegro/status/472163472688443392
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Why couldn’t the judge just order an coroner’s inquest into Kendrick Johnson’s death?
Remember this from November 2013? – – –
Associated Press Release
VALDOSTA, Ga. (AP) — Attorneys say a Georgia Superior Court judge told them he wants to know what federal authorities discover before deciding whether to order a coroner’s inquest into the death of a Valdosta teenager found inside a rolled-up wrestling mat at school.
” Decision Delayed On Inquest In Kendrick Johnson’s Death”
http://tallahasseeo.com/2013/11/06/decision-delayed-on-inquest-in-kendrick-johnsons-death/
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Santa Barbara student arrested after accidentally firing gun, just missing Isla Vista neighbor”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ucsb-student-fires-gun-accidentally-misses-neighbor-isla-vista-police-article-1.1809272
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From the article;
Why so many guns? Why so much ammunition? Wait, don’t tell me. It was all for “self-defense” against elephants, lions, tigers and bears.
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“State attorney wants Michael Dunn sentenced before retrial”
http://www.news4jax.com/news/state-attorney-wants-michael-dunn-sentenced-before-retrial/26192102
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That article is fairly outdated. The judge already decided to wait until after Dunn’s re-trial on the 1st degree murder charge to sentence him on the three, 2nd degree attempted murder charges.
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https://twitter.com/babzter/status/472208464668667905
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This statistical survey of the New England Journal of Medicine was proven to be flawed in many ways. http://home.comcast.net/~dsmjd/tux/dsmjd/rkba/kellerman.htm
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A few rambling thoughts about (non) gun control. If one were to ask the average gun rights supporter, how many innocent people must die to protect his right to own the weapon of mass/non mass destruction he presently legally owns, what would be the number that he would find acceptable?
While the guarantee of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is found originally in the Declaration of Independence it is also to be found in the 5th Amendment of the Constitution. I would like to know how and why the (IMO) miss interpreted (brought about by the political insight of the NRA) guarantee of weapons rights in the 2nd Amendment have priority over the right of the citizens to remaining alive?
It has been stated that the nation was formed because of gun rights, but history does not say that, at least history that has not been rewritten for political purposes (feel free to provide me with a non modern history reference that states the revolution was fought over gun rights). It has been said that even if all guns were taken away there would still be murders, that is a given simply because history if full of murder that took place long before the first gun was introduced. Can the gun rights promoters state without hesitation that without the easy access to guns that the murder/injury rate would increase, and if so, provide a non biased study to back up the claim?
I don’t propose that the removal of guns would instantly cause murder/wounding to come to a stop, but could anyone honesty say that if given a choice of a rock or a gun as a weapon that they would chose a rock? Could anyone give a valid argument making the rock an equally (normally) deadly weapon for use against another human or group of human as a gun?
I realize that to many people on this site as well as others, that guns are an important part of their life, and to some they are even more important than the life of their neighbor or in some cases the lives of their loved ones, however it could be asked, what would be their response if they accidentally shot and wounded/killed a loved one with that cherished possession? Would their gun/weapon continue to be held with such his reverence, or would they then realize that perhaps their need for this weapon of death was not as necessary as they once thought?
IMO the total removal of all guns from the hands of the citizens of this nation will never happen, not because it would save lives, but because the political power of certain groups depends of protecting that questionable right. A solution can not and will not be had until such time as we as a people have lost enough of our fellow citizens to make enough of a personal impact on each and every one of us. Until that time the carnage will continue and the political powers will continue to smile as they exert control over the majority by the minority….
Xena, please edit this as you feel necessary, I feel sure that there are errors in grammar and spelling that would render these words null and void in some peoples eyes.
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“It has been stated that the nation was formed because of gun rights, but history does not say that.”
I’m sorry but history does say this. It started on April 19, 1775, when the British marched into Lexington and then Concord to removed guns/gunpowder from the citizens. This was the beginning of what was to be the Revolutionary War. It started with protests over the King taxing the colonists to pay for wars and in most cases only the colonists had to pay the taxes while other subjects back in England did not. He denied the colonists representation back in England and the King appointed only those who he knew would follow his line. The protests were getting out of hand so the King decided to disarm his subjects and his subjects said no. The people of Concord and Lexington took a stand and forced the greatest army in the world back to Boston.
I wrote this on the professor’s blog about the intentions of the writers of the 2nd Amendment.
The 2A wasn’t created solely for protection of our borders. When we started the fight for our freedom back in the 1700s we were British citizens who also had a military, in fact, Britain had what was considered the best military and Navy in the world.
Tench Coxe wrote in 1788:
“Who are the militia? are they not ourselves. Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American…The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”
Alexander Hamilton in 1788 wrote:
“If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.”
The militia (people of the US) is the ultimate check against a state or the national government. Our founding fathers knew that power corrupts. The 2nd A is a check/self defense to that if our government tried to become a tyrannical power. It was created not solely for the defense of our country from enemies outside of our borders but to protect us from the government itself.
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towerflower, One important thing I asked you to do was provide valid links to your sources. Everything you wrote is out of the NRA playbook and while they may have been said or written, the question arises, have they been Brebarted and taken out of context? Your statement originally was that the revolution started over the taking of guns, and that simply is not true. The revolution actually was (as is written in the older non NRA versions) according to the history books begun over non representative taxation of the people of this continent, not the attempt to remove guns from their possession. It is strange that most of what the weapon of mass destruction supporters use to support their vendetta to control those of us who do not feel the need to kill/injure our fellow humans, has to be twisted and distorted to achieve that purpose. I find it strange that anyone would suggest that for me to simply go out to eat, I would have to strap on a weapon of mass destruction even before I place a Rolaid’s into my pocket, perhaps if it were not for the need of a weapon I would not have the heartburn that the Rolaid’s is for? If you were to tell me that you feel the desire to possess a weapon for hunting, and you would do so in a legal and responsible fashion, then you would have my support, however if you tell me you need to have a weapon to protect you in a public place against those like me, who do not feel an equal need to protect myself from an unknown boogeymen, then I might suggest you need more help than a simple weapon of mass destruction would provide. Have a good day, happy hunting if you decide to go out to eat after church this morning, I’m sure if you look hard enough you will find a varmint worthy of execution at your local restaurant if you search hard enough…
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http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/06/constitutional-myth-6-the-second-amendment-allows-citizens-to-threaten-government/241298/
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You might enjoy this site, or perhaps not, it gives a little bit of a breakdown of the how’s, the why’s and the when’s of our war for independence. You might note that the act that you (and the NRA) claim was the cause for the war, is well down the list chronologically of events leading up to the revolution. I will never down play the importance of guns in the past history of this nation, I do however feel that we need to take a serious look at the importance of the gun as a “weapon of mass destruction” in the future of this nation. At some point in the future, perhaps after exposure to a loss of a family member or close friend, some folks will actually start to question why the “need to be armed” is so ingrained into our society.
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/revolutionarywar/a/amer_revolution.htm
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Just another little article for you to read and attack? It does however raise a few valid points…
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/susan-milligan/2014/01/16/we-need-gun-control-to-stop-more-than-criminals
I could (and you could as well) post many more thousand links to support my opinion, but even as I did so, I would do it knowing that it would not in any way change your views… I am old, but not so old as to not realize that opinions are in most cases impossible to change.
Xena, I suppose that this will bring about another round of attacks by certain people as to my right to express my opinions in an open and public forum. I suppose that due to the fact they have severely disrupted my physical and financial existence that I should have learned to not open myself for attack. I suppose that a message will reach me within the next day or two advising me I am in trouble once again… Too bad, that as a nation we don’t revere the 1st amendment with as much fervor as we do the 2nd…
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Crazy, I hope that you do no feel that my expressing my opinion is an attack on yours. It was never meant to be that way. I know that my position on owning guns is controversial and counter to some. While I do not see myself as a “gun nut” because I do not agree with the actions of some who push the edge when it comes to the 2A. I do enjoy shooting guns and have been involved in shooting as a sport for many years, so I classify myself as a gun lover but not a gun nut. I am friends with one of these “gun nuts”. I consider him a brother as I have known him most of my life. He was not always this way but changed over the years. His political views are way out there also. So I have an insight as to how some of these people feel.
When questions or statements come up about gun laws/ownership I add to it since I do have a background that most do not have. But I did mention back in my first post that there were many things that led up to the war but it was coming after the arms that was the straw that broke the camel’s back. I also support some gun control but not an outright ban.
But I do read what you have to say and will always keep an open mind to the opinions of others. So if I have offended you, I am sorry, I never meant to offend anyone.
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towerflower, In my last post the individuals that I was talking about that would attack me for my words was not referencing you, but some outside forces that are causing me some legal and personal distress. I respect your opinion, we do disagree, but I don’t think that makes you all bad, just partly bad (ok, bad joke…). We actually agree on most topics, and I actually think that the issues of WMD’s (guns) are one of the few that we don’t agree on. At one point in my life I owned enough guns that I probably could have stocked a pretty good store, but as I have aged, I started to realize that I did not own anything that was worth killing anyone over, everything I have is pretty much replaceable. I also have finally figured out that for me to get into trouble requires me to be where I can get into trouble, so I have learned to avoid those areas. Could I walk outside later today and get shot, of course that possibility exists, but as the number of WMD’s increases that possibility increases. I realize as long as big money and big politics profit off the mfg and sale of WMD’s we will see no real change…
In closing, let me make it clear, you have not offended me, and I don’t think you attempted to in any way…
This is what we need, not more guns.
http://www.cnet.com/news/secret-service-seeks-sarcasm-detecting-software/?tag=nl.e703&s_cid=e703&ttag=e703&ftag=CAD090e536
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Towerflower,
When you write
“I’m sorry but history does say this. It started on April 19, 1775, when the British marched into Lexington and then Concord to removed guns/gunpowder from the citizens.”
you are leaving out Paul Revere’s ride the night before to warn the people that the British were going to march against the rebellious colonists.
Before that (from Wikipedia):
In late 1774 the Suffolk Resolves were adopted to resist the enforcement of the alterations made to the Massachusetts colonial government by the British parliament following the Boston Tea Party.
An illegal Patriot shadow government known as the Massachusetts Provincial Congress was subsequently formed and began to train militia for possible hostilities.
The rebel government exercised effective control of the colony outside of British-controlled Boston and in response, Massachusetts was declared in February 1775 to be in a state of rebellion.
About 700 British Army regulars in Boston, under Lieutenant Colonel Francis Smith, were given secret orders to capture and destroy rebel military supplies that were reportedly stored by the Massachusetts militia at Concord. Through effective intelligence gathering, Patriot colonials had received word weeks before the expedition that their supplies might be at risk and had moved most of them to other locations.
They also received details about British plans on the night before the battle and were able to rapidly notify the area militias of the enemy movement.
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Yahtzee, to boldly state that a weapon issue was the cause of the revolution is simply not true, perhaps it added to the cause, but it and by its self was but one of many factors that led to the war against the British by the inhabitants of the America’s.. From one of the links above, if one were to take the time to actually read the words, one could only question if that act was simply one minor act amongst many major acts that led to the rebellion..
“•1754-1763 – French and Indian War
This war between Britain and France ended with the victorious British deeply in debt and demanding more revenue from the colonies. With the defeat of the French, the colonies became less dependent on Britain for protection.
•1763 – Proclamation of 1763
This prohibited settlement beyond the Appalachian Mountains. While Britain did not intend to harm the colonists, many colonists took offense at this order.
•1764 – Sugar Act
This act raised revenue by increasing duties on sugar imported from the West Indies.
•1764 – Currency Act
Parliament argued that colonial currency had caused a devaluation harmful to British trade. They banned American assemblies from issuing paper bills or bills of credit.
•1764 – Committees of Correspondence
Organized by Samuel Adams, these helped spread propaganda and information through letters.
•1765 – Quartering Act
Britain ordered that colonists were to house and feed British soldiers if necessary.
•1765 – Stamp Act
This required tax stamps on many items and documents including playing cards, newspapers, and marriage licenses. Prime Minister George Grenville stated that this direct tax was intended for the colonies to pay for defense. Previous taxes imposed by Britain had been indirect, or hidden.
•1765 – Stamp Act Congress
In 1765, 27 delegates from nine colonies met in New York City and drew up a statement of rights and grievances thereby bringing colonies together in opposition to Britain.
•1765 – Sons and Daughters of Liberty
Colonists tried to fight back by imposing non-importation agreements. The Sons of Liberty often took the law into their own hands enforcing these ‘agreements’ by methods such as tar and feathering.
•1767 – Townshend Acts
These taxes were imposed to help make the colonial officials independent of the colonists and included duties on glass, paper, and tea. Smugglers increased their activities to avoid the tax leading to more troops in Boston.
•1770 – Boston Massacre
The colonists and British soldiers openly clashed in Boston. This event was used as an example of British cruelty despite questions about how it actually occurred.
•1773 – Tea Act
To assist the failing British East India Company, the Company was given a monopoly to trade tea in America.
•1773 – Boston Tea Party
A group of colonists disguised as Indians dumped tea overboard from three ships in Boston Harbor.
•1774 – Intolerable Acts
These were passed in response to the Boston Tea Party and placed restrictions on the colonists including outlawing town meetings and the closing of Boston Harbor.
•1774 – First Continental Congress
In response to the Intolerable Acts, 12 of the 13 colonies met in Philadelphia from September-October, 1774. One of the main results of this was the creation of The Association calling for a boycott of British goods.
•1775 – Lexington and Concord
In April, British troops were ordered to Lexington and Concord to seize stores of colonial gunpowder and to capture Samuel Adams and John Hancock. At Lexington, open conflict occurred and eight Americans were killed. At Concord, the British troops were forced to retreat with the loss of 70 men. This was the first instance of open warfare.
•1775 – Second Continental Congress
All 13 colonies were represented at this meeting in Philadelphia beginning May. The colonists still hoped that their grievances would be met by King George III. George Washington was named head of the Continental Army.
•1775 – Bunker Hill
This major victory for the Colonists resulted in George III proclaiming the colonies in rebellion.
In the end, the American Revolution grew out of increasing restrictions placed upon the colonies by the British. One interesting side note: It is estimated that only one-third of the colonists were in favor of rebellion. One-third continued to side with the British. The last third were neutral concerning the rebellion and break from Great Britain
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crazy1946,
Maybe, I did not make it clear…..I was informing towerflower that he was wrong…that
the the colonists were already resisting the British a year before, had formed a militia, and were stock up with arms to be effective in rebelling against the British.
That is why I chose to quote the Wikipedia excerpt.
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The British strategy to defeat the rebellious militia was to go after the militia’s armory.
The NRA has attempted dishonestly to revise history by purposely saying that the issue was about the right to bear arms.
It was not about that. It was about a British strategy to defeat the colonists’ militia by destroying their arsenal. It would be equivalent to the allies in WWII attempting to bomb Hitler’s arms factories.
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In other words, the British were using a military strategy against the colonists.
All I could think of was that WWII example as a comparison. Actually it is not a good comparison because I certainly don’t want Hitler’s name brought into the discussion.
The colonists’ cause was just. They and their lives were at the mercy of a parliament overseas where they (the colonists) had no representation in the decision making. The colonists had no chance to VOTE for the who they wanted to represent them in Parliament.
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Yahtzee, Actually you did make it clear, all I was attempting to do is take the history back a little (a lot actually) farther to make it plain that the incident in Lexington did not start the war. In a later post you mention Hitler, that again is a good talking point from the NRA and their followers, but the statement that he took the guns away from the citizens (as the NRA would like to have you believe) is not true, especially if one actually studies history as it was written.
What is troubling is that they feel the need to distort and lie in an attempt to prove their points, but very seldom will they provide a valid link to back up their statement, but when they do it is from a right wing site like that of “alex jones” who tells them what they want to hear. I might suggest to those who seem to think that they owe their very souls to the right to own and possess a weapon of mass destruction, that they think hard and long before continuing the road of refusing to compromise their positions, because with out compromise, they stand to lose completely…
As we have all seen, propaganda is the key weapon in the arsenal of the NRA (and affiliated) groups, it is the only thing they have placed their hope on. Too bad, because as people open their eyes to the death and mayhem that these weapons of mass destruction have forced upon the citizens of this nation, that because of their hard line stance, and their refusal to accept reasonable compromise, they will likely lose the right that they cherish…
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I left out quite a few fine details, like Paul Revere’s ride, but Paul Revere was captured and there was another who also rode and that was William Dawes but his place in history is not as well known as Revere’s. But I did mention it was a build up of grievances against the Crown.
Also in 1774 the British tried gun control by first banning the importing of guns and powder in an effort to control the colonists. Also in that time, gunpowder was mainly stored in a separate building due to being so dangerous–not the same type of gunpowder used today. A person would go to that storage to buy/retrieve gunpowder for their personal use. During that time a person might keep their own gun in their home or they might have collective guns keep in a town’s armory.
” September 1, 1774, 260 of Gage’s Redcoats sailed up the Mystic River and seized hundreds of barrels of powder from the Charlestown powder house.
The “Powder Alarm,” as it became known, was a serious provocation. By the end of the day, 20,000 militiamen had mobilized and started marching towards Boston. In Connecticut and Western Massachusetts, rumors quickly spread that the Powder Alarm had actually involved fighting in the streets of Boston. More accurate reports reached the militia companies before that militia reached Boston, and so the war did not begin in September. The message, though, was unmistakable: If the British used violence to seize arms or powder, the Americans would treat that violent seizure as an act of war, and would fight. And that is exactly what happened several months later, on April 19, 1775.”–written by David Kopel, attorney at law who has researched the history.
After returning to Boston, Gage stated that any Bostonian who wanted to leave could if they surrender their arms, 1 in 2 did and he did not let them leave.
On June 19, Gage renewed his demand that the Bostonians surrender their arms, and he declared that anyone found in possession of arms would be deemed guilty of treason.
On July 6, 1775, the Continental Congress adopted the Declaration of Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms, written by Thomas Jefferson and the great Pennsylvania lawyer John Dickinson. Among the grievances were General Gage’s efforts to disarm the people of Lexington, Concord, and Boston.
The British always remembered that without gun control, they could never control America. And Knox (Colonial Undersecretary) went on to recommend that all arms/powder be removed.
Yes the residents of Concord had advance warning, so much so that if the British military had been more observant they would have noticed some things. One is that they hid/buried some of their arms and one of their cannons. They plowed their fields and buried the arms….it was too soon to plow these fields and if the British had any farmers in the group they might have realized this and discovered the arms.
There are many stories about average people who took a stand…..one was Samuel
Whittemore, he was 80 yrs old (he was also the oldest combatant) when he answered the call to arms. He managed to kill 3 British soldiers before being shot and bayonetted numerous times, he was left for dead but lived until he was 98. There is also Hezekiah Wyman, who at age 54 was told by his wife he was too old to fight. He mounted his great white horse with a long gun and met the British on the road outside of Lexington. He would fire, hit his targets and when the British got too close mounted his horse and went down the road and did it again. He was known as Death on a Pale Horse to the British as they knew if they encountered him someone would die.
But, like I said, there were numerous things that led up to the War but it was the final, straw that broke the camel’s back, act of trying to disarm the colonists to prevent protests and uprisings that did it and it came to a head on April 19, 1775 with the shot heard round the world.
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Crazy, You are indeed correct that Hitler didn’t disarm Germany as a whole. There were gun restrictions in place before the rise of the Nazis that in the beginning tried to keep guns out of the hands of Nazis and Communists. After Hitler took power he only prevented Jews and non citizens from owning guns. But there are also several instances of where a dictator forbade guns to prevent uprisings against the government. Stalin, Pol Pot, Uganda, etc. In these cases it was not to prevent crime but to prevent uprisings against the government.
Our founding fathers realized that power corrupts it’s leaders and to place the power into limited hands without checks and balances could lead to a dictatorship. The 2A came out of that. That the government would always know that the people would be armed to overthrow an unjust government.
“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”
– Richard Henry Lee, Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights
“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
– Patrick Henry
“A free people ought to be armed.”
– George Washington
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”
– Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
“To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.”
– George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380
“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.”
– James Madison, Federalist Paper #46
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”
– William Pitt, Nov. 18, 1783
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“Grandma Of NFL Player Accidentally Shot”
http://www.abc22now.com/shared/news/top-stories/stories/wkef_vid_20378.shtml
HUBER HEIGHTS — The grandmother of a NFL star was shot inside her Huber Heights home Wednesday night.
Authorities are saying the shooting appears to be accidental after 70-year-old Mae Worthy’s husband accidentally fired a handgun he was handling in the back room of their Rolling Glen home.
Huber Heights Lieutenant Matt Dulaney said the evidence is in line with the husband’s story, “it (bullet) went through the bedroom wall, down into the opposite end of the house and it happened to strike her in the back of the head while she was sitting on the couch.”
Dulaney said the husband has been cooperative with authorities.
We found out in 2007, there was another accidental shooting between Mae’s husband, James, and her 14-year-old granddaughter’s father. A gun accidentally went off in the home that night — hitting the teen. It’s unclear who fired the weapon in that incident.
Neighbors tell us the couple have been together for decades, “they’re very nice. Very nice,” said one neighbor.
Police want to remind everyone of firearms safety, “if I have my firearm out, I’m not pointing it in any direction, other then the ground,” said Dulaney.
We’re told the case has been handed over to the prosecutor’s office for possible negligence with firearms.
Mae Worthy is in critical condition — and her husband is not in custody at this time.
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“Boy who accidentally shot himself was hunting”
http://www.rutlandherald.com/article/20140529/THISJUSTIN/705299896
CABOT — Vermont State Police say a 10-year-old boy was shooting at birds when he accidentally fatally shot himself outside his home over the weekend.
Police said Logan Cookson was hunting with family members in Cabot on Saturday when he shot himself in the abdomen with a .22-caliber revolver.
He later died at Central Vermont Medical Center.
Police said once their investigation is complete, the case will be sent to the Washington County State’s attorney’s office for review.”
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Boerne Toddler Accidentally Shot and Killed”
Updated: Tuesday, May 27 2014
http://www.foxsanantonio.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/boerne-toddler-accidentally-shot-killed-4088.shtml#.U4igocawhfQ
Tragedy in Boerne as a toddler accidentally shoots and kills himself inside his parents’ truck.
Boerne police say two-year-old Adrian Rojo died from a gunshot wound to the head.
It happened Saturday afternoon while Rojo’s parents were moving boxes out of their home on Becker Street.
Investigators say the young boy was in the driver’s seat of the family’s Jeep and found a loaded pistol in the center console.
Police tell us they still have more questions for the parents about the shooting.
“That’s the hardest part,” says Lt. Steve Perez of Boerne Police. “We want to give them time to grieve and make the necessary arrangements, and then after that we can talk to them. Get some more of the details, some of the questions that we don’t have answered at this point yet.”
Adrian Rojo would have turned three this July.
His visitation is being held this Friday from five to seven at Ebensberger-Fisher Funeral Home in Boerne.
His funeral will be held Saturday morning at ten at Nineteen:Ten Church.
To honor Adrian, people are encouraged to dress up like his favorite people: superheroes, John Deere, or policemen.
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this is sickening! how does a 2yo even manipulate a gun? a revolver? I don’t even know how to do that! must’ve had a bullet in chamber or whatever you call it.
And in these types of cases what really perturbs me that the police and community are bending over backwards to accommodate the parents, many times not even charging them for anything. yet it’s all their fault! it bothers me when i hear ppl say ‘they’ve already lost their child, what more punishment do they need?’ because although they’re suffering as parents it’s the child’s life that is gone not theirs! once they gave that child life if was that child’s life, not theirs to lose! they need to be punished just as anyone else who shot and killed any child is. I understand they’re suffering but they should also criminally for letting that child die. an accident is falling down the stairs. I’m sick of the pity party for parents when it’s their fault that their kid no longer gets to live his life!
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“Teen is accidentally shot and killed on father son fishing trip”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2639086/Briar-Newsome-accidentally-shot-killed-father-son-fishing-trip.html
A 15-year-old Georgia boy has been shot dead when a gun discharged accidentally while he was on a fishing trip with his father.
The teen, identified as Briar Newsome of Carlton, was pronounced dead at the scene. The shooting occurred around 5:30p.m. Thursday at the Broad River bridge on the Elbert County line, Madison County sheriff’s deputies said.
Capt. Jimmy Patton said the rifle went off as Briar and his father, Terry Newsome, were putting their boat in the river.
‘There is a place where a lot of people put in boats,’ Patton told the Athens Banner Herald. ‘They had a rifle they took along in case they saw a wild hog.’
‘Evidently they did this a lot. The dad was carrying the rifle and it discharged while they were trying to load the boat.’
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“Man accidentally shot self while on ATV”
May 28, 2014
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Police-Man-accidentally-shot-self-while-on-ATV-5509027.php
HALFMOON, N.Y. (AP) — State police say a man found dead of a gunshot wound in a suburban Albany community apparently shot himself by accident while he was getting off an all-terrain vehicle.
Troopers say they were called to the Saratoga County town of Halfmoon on Monday afternoon after a man’s body was found in the woods.
Police say their investigation determined that 64-year-old Darryl Bell died from accidental gunshot wound.
Troopers say Bell was attempting to get off his ATV with a loaded shot gun when the weapon discharged, causing his fatal injuries.
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“82 year old woman accidentally shot by her husband”
Posted: May 25, 2014
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/25607210/82-year-old-woman-accidentally-shot-by-her-husband#axzz33DGK34sC
An 82 year old woman was accidentally shot by her husband who was showing her an old pistol, according to the Queen Anne’s County, MD Sheriff’s Office.
Emergency responders found Mary Martin, age 82, of Earle Branch Road in Centreville, VA, lying on her couch with a gunshot wound to her torso about 7:55 a.m.on Friday, police said.
She told police her husband of more than 30 years was showing her an old pistol he had in a drawer and it went off.
84 year old Roy Martin told police he had never fired the old .38 break-top pistol and thought it was unloaded. He said he pulled the trigger once and nothing happened, but when he pulled it again, the gun fired and the bullet struck his wife, police said.
Roy Martin called 911 and put a towel over the wound until medics arrived, police said.
Mary Martin is in critical condition at the University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center in Baltimore.
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” Gun Activists With Assault Rifles Harass Marine Veteran on Memorial Day”
On Memorial Day this week, a former Marine in Texas named James got a couple calls from friends who’d spotted an unusual gathering in downtown Fort Worth: Roughly a dozen people, mostly men, were hanging out in the middle of the city’s cultural district, armed with semi-automatic rifles. James quickly knew what his friends were describing, having recently encountered an open-carry demonstration himself in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. An independent TV commercial producer who sometimes films live events, James headed downtown with his camera to get some footage.
What he saw there struck him as especially provocative. Not only had the open-carry activists come to a typically relaxed, family friendly part of town, they were displaying intimidating firearms just three days after a major gun massacre in Southern California. What he didn’t anticipate was that they would soon be pursuing him for several city blocks with cameras of their own, harassing him and later posting the footage online, where they would also level homophobic slurs and violent threats against him.
Women who speak out have been the primary target for gun activists, as I detailed in a recent investigation. But now, on a day meant to honor fallen service members, a military vet would make the hit list.
“I’ll be happy to smash assholes like him,” said one gun activist online. “Who here wants to help ruin him?” said another.
James, who asked that his last name not be used, knows his way around guns. He served for four years in the US Marines infantry, where he earned several awards for marksmanship. He is a gun owner, he told me, and a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and concealed-carry rights. But while carrying rifles publicly is legal in Texas, he felt that these guys—supporters of a movement that seeks to legalize the open carrying of handguns—were crossing a line.
The men, members of the groups Open Carry Texas and Open Carry Tarrant County, asked him which news network he was with. When he said he wasn’t, things began turning frosty. They pressed him about what he thought of their demonstration, and he replied with an unvarnished opinion that included profanities, language he told me he regrets having used.
“I’m all for responsible gun owners,” he says. “What I was taught was not to wear it around like a gold chain. What they’re doing is irresponsible. It intimidates the public, and people have just as much right to be comfortable in their public environment as these guys have a right to own their firearms.”
Suddenly he was surrounded by about a half-dozen armed men. They started badgering him with questions and accusing him of being anti-American. “I said, ‘Are you kidding me? I served in the military.’ They were trying to intimidate me, and when I didn’t cower that upset them,” he said. But he was starting to feel nervous and decided to disengage and walk away.
In a video obtained by Mother Jones that was posted online later that day by one of the activists, the group can be seen pursuing and harassing James through downtown Fort Worth. “I’m following this guy around,” declares one of them, setting off after him with his weapon slung across his back. He and others stay right behind James for several city blocks, following him through traffic and taunting him along the way. James grows more agitated and tells them off, calling them assholes and bullies.
“We’re being polite, you’re calling people names,” one of the gun activists pursuing him says.
“You’re not being polite out here with assault rifles the weekend after people lost their children,” James retorts, before again trying to walk away.
The harassment continues down the street. “Are you gonna cry?” one says. “Sounds like you’re about to cry.” Another says: “What’s wrong with that guy—is he a liberal?
“Yeah,” the other replies.
“Big time?”
“Yeah.”
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/guns-open-carry-texas-harassment-marine-veteran
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I cannot express what I am feeling right now. This is just too much!
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Hat tip to Shannoninmiami:
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“This photo, taken at the ‘end of the world’ swing in Banos, Ecuador, captures a man on the swing overlooking an erupting Mt. Tungurahua.
The eruption took place on February 1st, 2014. Minutes after the photo was taken, we had to evacuate the area because of an incoming ash cloud.”
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“Sandy Hook Hero Teacher Helps Classrooms Nationwide While Teaching Kids Kindness”
05/29/2014
http://www.people.com/article/sandy-hook-hero-teacher-starts-charity-classrooms-kindness
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“Hero boy fights attacker, stops girl’s abduction”
You can watch the video interview of this 6-year-old hero at the following link:
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2014/05/26/kaylen-woodard-stops-abduction-chicago/9594121/
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“Donald Sterling’s antitrust suit against NBA adds new wrinkle to saga”
http://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-clippers-sterling-20140531-story.html
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“Photo and caption by Sandy Scott
There are three cormorants that regularly fish by my house. Over time, by approaching them slowly, they trust my very close presence. Their eyes are so mesmerizing that I shot this with a very narrow DOF to bring the viewers eyes directly to that of the cormorant’s. I entered this in spontaneous moments in that as I was shooting the bird, he suddenly turned towards me directly looking at me adding to the impact of the shot.”
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posted in 2013:
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Uploaded on Mar 16, 2011 by CanteOhitikahoksila
” The sounds you hear on the wind are the voices of our ancestors still telling us how to sing and make the music that was given to us by the bird nation. The songs of our people will never be lost as long as we sit and listen to the wind. When we need a medicine song we only have to offer tobacco and listen. Soon the wind will whisper the song we need for healing or for helping the people.
“Later from the grouse and the woodpecker, we learned to make the drum, and from the woodpecker we also were given the flute. Rattlesnake gave us the medicine of his rattle to scare away the bad Tokas (spirits). From many animals and creatures, we were given all the things we now take for granted.
“The Standing Nation (trees) is still here to carry the voices in their branches of the ancient ones as they tell us their story and teach us their songs.
“We are told that all the earth that is ever going to be is here, on this what we call Mother Earth. All the water is here and just recycles in this bubble around the Earth Mother. All the air is here and is recycled from oxygen to carbon dioxide in this bubble. Without these things there can be no life, on this, our Mother. As for the wind, it is also here and circles around the Earth Mother, cooling her and heating her in the seasons. In this wind there is all the sound that ever was and ever will be on this Earth Mother. The wind is carrying the voices of our ancestors so we will never forget who we are, and where we came from.
“Sometimes I can go and stand on a hill when the wind is blowing and hear the sound or the ancient ones playing instruments that I do not know. The sound is so sweet that it fills me with wonder and peace. Bells and flutes, horns of birch bark, rattles, drums — all of these are in the wind that flows around this sweet Earth Mother. Ocean waves are in the sound as they crash on the shores. The voices of the animals and people and birds are here in the wind. All the music until now is in the wind. The sounds of people in laughter and in pain are in the wind. All the sounds of war and destruction are also in the wind.
“All of my relation’s voices are carried in the sound of the wind from all the places of the Earth, making one band singing and playing in harmony. So I am never alone and I am always with my people. The wind sings the songs of our people, all of our people, in one voice, in one song for peace.”
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J.D. Challenger
Kirby Sattler
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gz’s partner.
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This video, posted 4 days ago, has gone viral and now has 1,091,212 views.
Published on May 28, 2014 by Nuno Sa
@ Addis ababa
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“FBI searching for S.F. man suspected of possessing explosive materials”
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fbi-search-explosives-san-francisco-20140601-story.html
The FBI is searching for a San Francisco man who is suspected of possessing explosive materials at his home and should be considered armed and dangerous, authorities said Sunday.
The FBI’s announcement came after an extensive search of 42-year-old Ryan Kelly Chamberlain II’s apartment at the corner of Jackson and Polk streets in the city’s Russian Hill neighborhood, according to KTVU-TV Channel 2.
Investigators in protective suits searched Chamberlain’s apartment for several hours Saturday. A local TV station reported that agents found a large stash of what appeared to be the deadly poison ricin, but FBI spokesman Peter Lee said Sunday authorities do not believe the white substance was ricin.
The apartment complex was not evacuated during the search, and Lee said there was “no threat to public safety.”
The FBI described Chamberlin as white, six-foot-three and weighing about 225 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair.
AT 4:05 PM JUNE 01, 2014
Authorities said Chamberlain was last seen driving a white 2008 Nissan Altima with either with either California or Texas license plates 7FQY085 and BX9M042, respectively.
Building owner Martin Harband told the station that Chamberlain has rented an apartment in the complex for the last two years. He said Chamberlain “seemed normal,” never showing signs of unusual behavior.
Anyone with information regarding the whereabouts of the suspect is urged to contact their nearest FBI office or dial 911. The FBI can be reached 24 hours a day at 415-553-7400 in the San Francisco area. All calls are confidential. Tips can also be submitted at: tips.fbi.gov.
“FBI: Former Iowa man sought in San Francisco explosives investigation”
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2014/06/01/fbi-pursues-former-register-reporter-san-francisco/9844677/
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Manhunt Underway For Ryan Kelly Chamberlain; Explosives, Not Ricin, Found In San Francisco Apartment”
By Marcy Kreiter
on June 01 2014 10:28 PM
A nationwide manhunt is underway for Ryan Kelly Chamberlain after explosives were found in his apartment. FBI
Federal investigators are looking for Ryan Kelly Chamberlain, 42, following the discovery of explosives in his San Francisco apartment.
FBI agent Peter Lee told reporters Sunday earlier reports Chamberlain also had ricin were untrue, KTVU, San Francisco, said.
More than two dozen FBI agents, police, fire department and hazardous materials crews raided Chamberlain’s apartment Saturday.
Lee said he was unaware of any threats made by Chamberlain but he should be considered armed and dangerous. Lee, however, declined to say what materials were found in the apartment, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
“He did possess explosives at his residence,” Lee said.
Randy Bramblett, 32, a friend of Chamberlain’s, told the Chronicle Chamberlain lost his job at the sports marketing firm Project Sport in November. Bramblett said since then, Chamberlain’s behavior had gotten strange.
The University of San Francisco confirmed Chamberlain has been an instructor at the school. He also worked as an independent contractor during the 2012 NFL season, tweeting and posting Facebook links to the newspaper’s coverage.
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above is from:
http://www.ibtimes.com/manhunt-underway-ryan-kelly-chamberlain-explosives-not-ricin-found-san-francisco-apartment-1592939
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More here:
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Nationwide-manhunt-after-FBI-recovers-explosives-5520975.php
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Suspect accused of having explosives arrested near Golden Gate Bridge”
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/03/us/california-explosive-materials-suspect/
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I can’t use a vinegar spray because the weeds I pull are mixed in with good stuff that I want to grow. However, many of you might have a garden path of bricks, gravel, or chips, and you might be able to use a vinegar spray to get rid of weeds.
Meanwhile, I will just keep pulling weeds and, perhaps, meditate as I do so. 🙂
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“Trial Date Set For Theodore Wafer, Man Charged In Renisha McBride Shooting”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/30/theodore-wafer-trial-date-renisha-mcbride_n_5240179.html
…… Wayne County Circuit Judge Dana Hathaway set his trial date for July 21, though it was initially scheduled to begin in early June. The final conference date is June 20.
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