Daily Kos :: Cliven Bundy wants to tell you about ‘the Negro.’ I want to tell you about Cliven Bundy

Cliven Bundy believes in sovereign citizenship. It is an offshoot of White Supremacy and very dangerous because they attack the government and they will use anyone to “test” their theories. Actor Wesley Snipes got trapped in tax problems and went to prison because of listening to sovereign citizenship theories about federal income taxes. The men who screwed him went to prison too, but they had nothing to lose.

Spirit In Action

Apologies to all those who will surely be offended-one way or another- by this but I believe it is important to tell the whole truth.

And I am tired of trying to laboriously explain the sociopolitical background and facts associated with this and other recent events.

It sickens me that good people I have associated with in spiritual community support not only this self absorbed idiot but also the idea that people bringing guns to “defend” this criminal from justice is the start of a positive change.

It is not. You cannot tear down the master’s house using the master’s tools!

You engage in the same low frequency negative attitudes and behaviors as the cabal/current criminals in charge and you perpetuate the system if violence, power over and greed that causes so much suffering.

It takes real courage to use nonviolence as a tactic because you are placing your faith…

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Posted on 04/25/2014, in Potpourri, Trials & Cases and tagged , , . Bookmark the permalink. 61 Comments.

  1. Now that it’s known he never had any right to use that land, and 20 years ago terminated his privilege to use that land, by not paying his lease, I wonder if those RWNJs are just using his ugly words now as a way to back pedal by feigning moral indignation.

    Thank you for this. We all know that DONE also considers himself a sovereign citizen. These folks are dangerous in that they attract the weak and hateful. Yesterday I saw so many comments on new sites board about how it’s Obama that divides us on race. Oh Puleeze, it wasn’t Obama who said those hateful words. It never is.

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  2. If anyone is interested, there’s a petition on White House.gov to enforce the law against Bundy.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/enforce-grazing-laws-against-cliven-bundy-extent-law-allows/g6y7smks

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  3. We are witnessing a gang of thugs out of control. They need to be arrested!

    “Deadbeat on the Range”
    by Timothy Egan

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/opinion/egan-deadbeat-on-the-range.html?emc=edit_th_20140418&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=50582198&_r=0

    “Imagine a vendor on the National Mall, selling burgers and dogs, who hasn’t paid his rent in 20 years. He refuses to recognize his landlord, the National Park Service, as a legitimate authority. Every court has ruled against him, and fines have piled up. What’s more, the effluents from his food cart are having a detrimental effect on the spring grass in the capital.

    “Would an armed posse come to his defense, aiming their guns at the park police? Would the lawbreaker get prime airtime on Fox News, breathless updates in the Drudge Report, a sympathetic ear from Tea Party Republicans? No, of course not.

    So what’s the difference between the fictional loser and Cliven Bundy, the rancher in Nevada who owes the government about $1 million and has been grazing his cattle on public land for more than 20 years? Near as I can tell, one wears a cowboy hat. Easterners, especially clueless ones in politics and the press, have always had a soft spot for a defiant white dude in a Stetson.

    “This phony event has brought out the worst of the gun-waving far right, and the national politicians who are barely one degree of separation from them. Hundreds of heavily armed, camouflaged supporters of the scofflaw turned out Saturday in Nevada, training their rifles on public employees who were trying to do their job. The outsiders looked like snipers ready to shoot the police. If you changed that picture to Black Panthers surrounding a lawful eviction in the inner city, do you think right-wing media would be there cheering the outlaws?

    “With their assault rifles and threats, the thugs in the desert forced federal officials with the Bureau of Land Management to back down from a court-ordered confiscation of Bundy’s cattle. One of the rancher’s supporters, Richard Mack, a Tea Party leader who is in the National Rifle Association’s Hall of Fame, said he planned to use women as human shields in a violent showdown with law enforcement.

    “We were actually strategizing to put all the women up front,” Mack said in a radio interview. “If they were going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot.”

    “That’s who Fox and friends are playing with these days — militia extremists who would sacrifice their wives to make some larger point about a runaway federal government. And what’s more, the Fox host Sean Hannity has all but encouraged a violent confrontation.

    “At the center of the dispute is the 68-year-old rancher Bundy, who said in a radio interview, “I don’t recognize the United States government as even existing.” A real patriot, this guy. You would think that kind of anarchist would draw a raised eyebrow from the Tea Party establishment that provides Bundy his media oxygen. After all, wasn’t the Tea Party born in a rant by Rick Santelli of CNBC about deadbeat homeowners? He complained about taxpayers’ subsidizing “losers’ mortgages” and he said we should “reward people that can carry the water instead of drinking the water.” Believe me, Bundy’s cattle are drinking an awful lot of our water, and not paying for it.

    “But instead, people like Senator Rand Paul have only fanned the flames, warning of a Waco-style assault. Paul, who wants to be president, further showed himself to be stunningly ignorant of the public lands legacy created by forward-thinking Republicans a century ago. Maybe Paul also doesn’t recognize the existence of the United States government. “They had virtual ownership of that land because they had been using it,” he said on Fox, referring to the Bundy clan. “You need the government out of it, and I think that’s the important point.”

    “No, Senator, the renegade rancher has no more right to 96,000 acres of Nevada public range than a hot dog vendor has to perpetual space on the Mall. Both places belong to the American people. Bundy runs his cattle on our land — that is, turf owned by every citizen. The agency that oversees the range, the Bureau of Land Management, allows 18,000 grazing permits on 157 million acres. Many of those permit holders get a sweet deal, subsidized in a way they could never find on private land.

    “What’s more, the land is supposed to be managed for stewardship and other users. Wild-horse advocates would like a piece of the same range. The poor desert tortoise, which has been in Nevada a lot longer than Bundy’s Mormon pioneer stock, is disappearing because of abusive grazing on that same 96,000 acres.

    “Ranching is hard work. Drought and market swings make it a tough go in many years. That’s all the more reason to praise the 18,000 or so ranchers who pay their grazing fees on time and don’t go whining to Fox or summoning a herd of armed thugs when they renege on their contract. You can understand why the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association wants no part of Bundy.

    “These kinds of showdowns are rare because most ranchers play by the rules, and quietly go about their business. They are heroes, in one sense, preserving a way of life that has an honorable place in American history. The good ones would never wave a gun in the face of a public servant, and likely never draw a camera from Fox.”

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  4. Quotes from Jon Stewart on his show:

    Dude, you’re a welfare rancher trying to pull off the world’s largest cattle dine ‘n’ dash.

    and, commenting on Bundy holding the American flag:

    You see that thing you’re holding there, fella? (audience laughter) If you reject the American federal government, at least have the decency to create your own damn flag.

    From “MUST-SEE: Jon Stewart rips into Cliven Bundy and his demented defenders”
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/22/1293714/-MUST-SEE-Jon-Stewart-rips-into-Cliven-Bundy-and-his-demented-defenders

    (2 video windows of this Jon Stewart segment at the link above.)

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    • I saw that Jon Steward clip the other day and he is SO on target with it. This guy is everything and I mean EVERYTHING I hate.

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  5. Sharon Burney

    Cliven Bundy and his supporters, then unsupporters, behind closed doors supporters and probably on again supporters shortly, are a walking population of ignorant opportunistic contradictions. The land they speak of never belonged to his ficticious ancestors to begin (even in his fairy tale version); that land was stolen after annhiliating an entire race of people. The true vehicle fueling his rant is once again a narrative against the climate of culture change, the panic of white males to a non existent threat to their white privelege and domination due to the change in demographics in this country, the anger of having to possbily answer to a black president and any minority in a posistion of perceived power, and the desire to manifest that fear and anger into real threats of arming themselves and engaging in domestic warfare to protect the benefits of their white privelege at all costs. This is done while simutaneously pretending that racism is not the core of this message, and that minorities are not bright enough to see the overt message they are sending we will kill anything and anyone that tries to get in the way of the continuation of our dominance over any other race. If this was a black organization they would have shot and killed any and everyone right away, just as the did the Move Organization in Philadelphia in 1985. Cliven needs to pull himself up by his bootstraps, stop living off the welfare he claims Negroes only know how to do, and not use black people to distract from his freeloading. I do find it interesting once again the conversation of black people picking cotton is used by a white man, and trying to convince people that we were happy and better off doing it. Makes you wonder if they are trying to reinstitute slavery again.

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    • Sharon,

      Your points are right on target!!

      I can’t envision it being stated any better!

      Thank you for this!

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    • Sharon,
      Good to see you!

      Makes you wonder if they are trying to reinstitute slavery again.

      When you hear sovereign citizens like Bundy say the “original constitution,” they mean the pre-Civil War constitution. They do not honor post civil-war constitutional amendments. That includes the abolition of slavery, citizenship for everyone born in this country, women voting rights.

      In their ideology, slavery was “unlawfully” abolished and when you get into their code words, you find that they mean different things when saying “unlawful” as opposed to “illegal.” They have formed their own world within a world and definitions to go along with it.

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    • Yeah, what is it about these guys? The Duck Dynasty guy said some very similar things about blacks being happier in the good old days of segregation etc. You’d think we’d know better by now, but apparently we don’t *shakes head*

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  6. A local TV station in Las Vegas did a search into Bundy’s family tree.

    http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25302186/an-abbreviated-look-at-rancher-cliven-bundys-family-history

    Looks like Bundy has lied, no surprise there, about his family owning the land since the 1870s, His father bought the ranch in 1948, 2 yrs after the BLM was created, and didn’t start to raise cattle until the 1950s.

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    • Thanks for this update, towerflower.

      Ametia posted this important 20 minute video. I wish everyone had the time to learn this history that Clive Bundy is tied into.

      “Rachael Maddow Presents History of Southern Racist, Jim Crow & Links to Republican Syncophants”

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  7. We must fill the universe with enough positive energy to negate these violent and hateful people. Hugs, Barbara

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  8. No, D.P. Sovereign citizens are known for putting minorities on the front line so if any harm comes, it comes to the minority first. Just ask Wesley Snipes.

    https://twitter.com/RustyTrombone75/status/459873645612261376

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    • Bundy is a racist. Even Sean Hannity FINALLY recognizes that NOW. (Oops, Sean, you supported a racist, unpatriotic yahoo.)

      Bundy: ‘I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro…’

      04/24/14 09:13 AM—Updated 04/24/14 09:33 AM
      By Steve Benen

      Political figures who rallied to defend Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy must have known they were taking a risk. Indeed, much of the Republican establishment chose to do the exact opposite precisely because they were afraid to gamble on a man who doesn’t recognize the legitimacy of the United States government.

      But some prominent GOP officials rolled the dice anyway. Fox News and Glenn Beck celebrated the rancher as a hero, while U.S. senators like Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Dean Heller (R-Nev.) cheered Bundy on, calling him a “patriot,” even as he declared an ability to ignore laws and court orders he doesn’t like.

      It’s become increasingly difficult to maintain this posture. For one thing, anyone relying on the threat of violence to act above the law hasn’t earned the backing of anyone in the American mainstream. For another, some of the basic elements of Bundy’s claims now appear to be false.

      Making matters considerably worse, the New York Times’ Adam Nagourney reports that Bundy spoke with supporters over the weekend about his views on a variety of societal issues.

      “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids – and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch – they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

      “And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

      Congratulations, Sean Hannity. You really know how to pick ‘em.

      And that was a week ago, before Bundy decided to start prefacing his remarks by saying, “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro….”

      Frankly, it was pretty obvious before that federal lawmakers like Rand Paul and Dean Heller were making a huge mistake rallying behind Bundy. When it comes to choosing a proper cause celebrate, it’s best not to choose a man who’s said, “I don’t recognize [the] United States government as even existing,” and whose supporters appeared prepared for a confrontation – a potentially violent confrontation – with American law enforcement.

      http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bundy-i-want-tell-you-one-more-thing

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      • You lose, DP.

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        • He’s losing it on Twitter, which is not good for him because it documents his harassment and provides evidence that his focus is on demeaning minorities, those with Down Syndrome, and also attacking those who he believes are White if they disagree with his superiority ideologies.

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      • I hope someone sees this comment because, I want to know why did he bring AA into his problems with the government and just what do they have to do with him? Also, I’m not buying the, oh we didn’t know he was a racist either. They knew that he was just like them and, they know it! It really pissed me off, that he chose AA to rant and lie about.

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    • Yes, Cliven Bundy is a racist.

      Racists (many of whom were formerly Southern Democrats and who knows what now..…Tea Partiers, state’s rights advocates, White Supremacists, and probably Sovereign Citizens who go ahead and vote even though they don’t recognize the U.S.) have a horrible grip on the GOP.

      Thank you, Ametia, for finding this:

      Published on Youtube on Nov 16, 2012 with this comment explaining its content:

      The Republican party’s racist & racialized political strategy gets explained by one of the GOP’s most famous political strategists. Everything from busing to tax cuts are related to psychologically manipulating the electorate into voting against people of color.



      The strategist in this Youtube audio says:

      “Here’s how I would approach that as a statistician or a political scientist, or no as a psychologist which I’m not, is…is how abstract you handle the race thing. In other words, you start out with, and now…… ya’ll don’t quote me now on this…i don’t want…

      
”You start out in 1954 by saying nigger, nigger, nigger. By 1968, you can’t say nigger. That hurts you, it backfires, so you say stuff like…uh forced-busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you getting so abstract now you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all of these thing you talking about are totally economic things & the byproduct of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it, I’m not saying that. But I’m saying, that if it is getting that abstract and that coded …uh that we…we’re doing away with the racial problem one way or the other…uh you follow me? ’cause obviously sitting around saying uh we want to cut taxes, we want to cut this, and we want- is much more abstract than even the busing thing. uh… and a hell of a lot more abstract than nigger, nigger, you know.

      So I- any way you look at it, race is coming on the back-burner.”

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  9. Sharon Burney

    Good Morning Xena , hello Yahtzee, I have been here just reading and watching, as always thank you for continuing in the struggle. It amazes me how people try to justify racism by finding an uninformed cluessless black person to costamp their oppression. One of the most dangerous and telling signs of our conditioning to oppression, is that if you strip away a culture and race’s identity and connection to their culture as was forced upong blacks during the slave trade their identities will remain lost. If you have no idea of who you are, what your heritage and cultural identity is, and most importantly the accurate history of your oppression in an enviroment created and established on the backs of your oppression how will you truely become enlightened to the truth ? Not without true diligence and an opportunity of acknowledgment and intervention of the education of enlightenment. This is what allows a dialogue to take place on whether or not overt racist dialogue, slurs, actions and abuse to occur primarily when it applies solely to black people. If he had said and done these things to people who were not black or latino there would be no hesitation. Punishment would have been swift and immediate. Blacks have been so conditioned they are complicit at times in their own oppression, focusing on the woman behind the tapes, afraid to boycott, excusing his comments, dismissing his comments. I believe that the entire NBA should have refused to play, the stadium should be empty, refuse to watch the games on tv, boycott the advertising monies, if he does not want black people at his games, then why go? He is still reaping the financial benefits of you being there with your sign. The NBA players boycott when they don’t receive the slaries they feel they deserve, you cannot boycott for civil rights?

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    • I so agree with your points, Sharon. (and am printing out your comment for my personal future reference.) Did you see this article? —–

      “Civil rights movement education remains ‘woefully inadequate’ in a majority of states, SPLC report finds”

      http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/civil-rights-movement-education-remains-woefully-inadequate-in-a-majority-of-state

      —————

      News from today:

      Sponsors pulling support of Los Angeles Clippers”

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/clippers/2014/04/28/clippers-sterling-state-farm-carmax-withdraw-sponsorship/8413967/

      LOS ANGELES – Sponsors are pulling a fast break away from the Los Angeles Clippers and their embattled owner, Donald Sterling.

      As the condemnation of Sterling and his racially insensitive comments spread Monday, major financial supporters of the NBA franchise announced they were severing ties with the Clippers.

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      • In rapid succession, the mass exodus included used car seller CarMax, State Farm Insurance, Kia Motors America, airline Virgin America, P. Diddy’s water brand, AQUAHydrate, Red Bull, Yokohama tires and Mercedes-Benz.

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        • On Twitter:

          CarMax @CarMax · 9h
          The statements attributed to the Clippers’ owner directly conflict with our culture of respect. @CarMax is ending its sponsorship.

          /large

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        • From Yokohama’s Facebook page:

          Yokohama Tire
          6 hours ago
          Yokohama Tire’s statement regarding our sponsorship of the Los Angeles Clippers:

          Yokohama Tire Corporation does not tolerate discrimination in any fashion. The alleged remarks by Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling are completely unacceptable and we find it necessary to immediately suspend our sponsorship of the organization as a result. We will continue to assess the situation and weigh our options. Meanwhile, we wish to express our continued support to the Clippers players and fans.

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        • “Sponsors pulling support of Los Angeles Clippers”

          http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/clippers/2014/04/28/clippers-sterling-state-farm-carmax-withdraw-sponsorship/8413967/

          Excerpt:

          Michael Gordon, principal and chief executive officer at Group Gordon, a corporate and crisis PR firm in New York, was pretty definite about the future for the Clippers with Sterling as owner.

          “For Sterling himself, it’s over. There’s no crisis management in the world that will fix this, so he has to go,” Gordon told USA TODAY Sports. “Not until he goes can both the Clippers and the NBA fix this.

          “Of all the parties involved – Sterling, the Clippers and the NBA – the one primarily in crisis management right now is the NBA. They’re the ones that need to move quickly to get rid of Sterling and get in a more responsible, thoughtful owner. As soon as that happens, assuming it’s the right owner, everyone can begin to heal.”

          Until then, corporate sponsors are doing damage control. Amtrak, Anheuser-Busch and Corona beer have not totally cut ties but made it clear what direction they expect the NBA to go:

          *An Amtrak spokesperson told USA TODAY Sports the company is working to remove any remnants of a sponsorship agreement it had with the Clippers that expired at the end of the regular season.

          “Amtrak believes the language used is unacceptable and is inconsistent with our corporate belief to treat everyone with integrity and dignity,” the company said in a statement. “As with any sponsorship advertising, some assets remain in market – to that end we are diligently working to remove all sponsorship assets.

          “Moving forward, we will continue to monitor the situation as we look to make decisions about 2014-15 sports marketing sponsorships.”

          *Anheuser-Busch released this statement:

          “As the official beer of the NBA, we are disappointed to hear the alleged recent comments attributed to L.A. Clippers owner Donald Sterling. While Anheuser-Busch and Bud Light are not team sponsors of the L.A. Clippers, we fully support the NBA’s efforts to investigate quickly and trust that they will take appropriate action.”

          *Constellation Brands, parent company to Corona, emailed this statement to USA TODAY Sports:

          “Like everyone else, Corona is appalled by the comments allegedly made by the owner of the Los Angeles Clippers. These comments run counter to the type of brand Corona aspires to be. Because of this, we are suspending our sponsorship agreement with the Clippers until the NBA completes its investigation.”

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          • Corona ‏@Corona 13h
            We’re appalled by the alleged comments of the LA Clippers’ owner & are suspending our sponsorship until the NBA completes its investigation.

            SportsCenter
            ‏@SportsCenter
            Sprint suspends marketing activities w/ Clippers, saying in statement: “We deplore the reprehensible comments expressed in the audiotape.”

            Chumash Casino @chumashcasino
            28th April 2014 from TwitLonger
            Full statement regarding our L.A. Clippers sponsorship:

            “We’ve always been proud supporters of the Los Angeles Clippers, however, the recent statements attributed to the Clippers’ owner have forced us to reconsider our relationship. We remain supportive of the members of the team and we wish them the very best going forward. As a group that has long been marginalized itself, the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Indians and the Chumash Casino Resort are especially sensitive to maintaining the dignity of all people.

            We cannot ignore any statement that causes harm or hurts any group. As a result, we’re withdrawing our sponsorship of the Clippers organization.”

            Vincent Armenta, Tribal Chairman of the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Indians

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          • NewsBreaker @NewsBreaker · 1m
            NEW: Adidas is suspending its current marketing partnership with the Los Angeles Clippers. (via @JGolden5) @CNBCSportsBiz

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    • Sharon,
      Your comment is profound!

      I did hear a lawyer on MSNBC say that the players have contracts, and they cannot boycott without there being repercussions for breach of contract. Hopefully, they can find a loophole. Contracts require that all parties thereto fulfill their promises and conduct themselves in certain ways.

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  10. “The real tragedy of Donald Sterling’s racism: it took this long for us to notice”

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/28/donald-sterling-racism-la-clippers-owner

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  11. “Police investigating Cliven Bundy-related threats to Harry Reid”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/cliven-bundy-harry-reid-threat-106106.html

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  12. Sharon Burney

    Great Articles Yahtzee thank you for sharing. Thank you Xena, I understand the players and their contracts, hopefully their protest will be louder next time.

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    • Sharon,
      I hope there won’t be a next time, but as the saying goes, everything done in the dark shall come to the light. So, let the light shine and expose the evil thoughts and deeds of darkness so they can be dealt with and eliminated.

      On another topic, your previous comment was so profound that it caused me to think back to a high school classmate named Lenita McClain. She wrote profound articles. Here’s a link to a story paying honor to her.

      http://www.beachwoodreporter.com/books/mcclains_pain.php

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      • Oh, Xena.

        I read the article.

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        • Yahtzee,
          Lenita was a writer for our high school newspaper. I was not one in her clique, but we got alone fine. (I was not a housing project person. She was southside and I was westside so our only interaction was in school.)

          I was very proud of her. Our graduating class had many students who were “firsts.” It was 1968 — a year of transformation and going after dreams.

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          • I certain can see why you were proud of her.

            Words escape me right now after such a deeply moving article.

            1968………

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  13. “Cliven Bundy standoff: Locals want armed militia out, lawmaker says”

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-cliven-bundy-congressman-20140507-story.html

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    • A commenter under a Bundy article posted this comment with a link to an article he provided.

      KaJo503U:

      “The terror of armed men occupying our land will never be forgotten.
      And in the next state over, some of Bundy’s militia terrorists left the Bundy Ranch reservation and are stalking the BLM.”

      “Federal Land Worker Threatened on Utah Highway:”

      http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/b

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      • Yahtzee,
        I read a report the other day where the Bundy armed sovereign citizens threatened media reporters, even saying they would burn down the hotels they were staying in, unless they left the area.

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