Three People Dead In Shooting At Baltimore’s Columbia Mall. News Is Breaking.

 

 

Jueseppi, thanks for keeping us informed.

Posted on 01/25/2014, in Uncategorized and tagged , , . Bookmark the permalink. 39 Comments.

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  3. Press Conference.

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  4. I am sending my heartfelt sympathy and prayers to the families and loved ones of the shooting victims.

    May our Congress and State Legislatures hear our demand for a plan to end gun violence.

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  5. When does it end? How long can “they” continue to deny it? If they aren’t blind, they must be stupid. I don’t want a violent gun culture for my granddaughters. I mean I know it’s too late; it is here but it MUST end!

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    • Thank you for your strong statements, Rachael. You have a great “no nonsense” approach.

      Congress has to stop the “violent gun culture.” Right now, too many members of Congress seem to be bought off by the gun lobby. This has to end!

      https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS5En098WQyygOm6miJCIWjsGdmxxgOzm-BVcXmD948efHG2nIhZg

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    • Rachael,
      According to some gun supporters, had there been other armed people in the mall, they could have stopped the gunman. That’s kinda hypocritical seeing that the gunman shot himself anyway to save others the time from doing so.

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      • That is then just MORE guns.

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      • As incredulous as this is, I opened my shop for a bit today and the one customer I opened for had a buddy with him who made a very serious racial remark to which I responded to.

        The conversation went the way of “..more guns are the answer…” to which I drove him near to tears with logic and the law. His stance is that if everyone is armed, crime rates will plummet………Huhhhhhhh ? ? ?

        Can someone actually say that and think there is a bit of logic at all there??

        I just cannot fathom the lack of IQ in the gun NutZZ thinking in this day and age. Maybe they collectively think it’s still 1885 and Jesse James is walking down the street, because I can’t see any other excuse.

        It’s now 2014 people……this is allegedly a “Civilized Nation” but it seems obvious the gun NutZZ are in reverse.

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        • racer,

          The conversation went the way of “..more guns are the answer…” to which I drove him near to tears with logic and the law. His stance is that if everyone is armed, crime rates will plummet………Huhhhhhhh ? ? ?

          Actually, crime statistics in certain cities have increased with conceal carry. Some of it is because when someone with a gun thinks they can take on one guy, but finds 5 others appearing with 5 guns pointed at them, they end up as a statistic named John Doe in the morgue because no one was there when the cops arrived.

          Do we think that Zimmerman would have left his truck to follow a group of three, four or five guys? Nope. He probably would not have even called NEN to report them looking suspicious.

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  6. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/11/nra-gun-control-firearms-industry-ties_n_2434142.html

    Excerpt:

    According to a 2012 poll conducted by GOP pollster Frank Luntz for Mayors Against Illegal Guns, 74 percent of NRA members support mandatory background checks for all gun purchases, a position that the NRA has stridently opposed.

    “There’s a big difference between the NRA’s rank and file and the NRA’s Washington lobbyists, who live and breathe for a different purpose,” Mark Glaze, the executive director of the gun control group, said.

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  7. OMG!!! EVERY DAY!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! What in this world is it going to take for Gun Control? I wish I could have the picture & name of every gun lobbyist.I have 2 Kids & 2 Grand kids who can not be replaced!! With the way the country is looking right now they don’t have a snowballs chance in hell to just have a normal life! The state I live in doesn’t help either…Texas.I am about ready to pack my family up & move out of this country!
    May God Bless the Victims & their Families.

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  8. As most of you know, I am a gun owner. I believe in responsible gun ownership and we still don’t know the whole story behind this one and as such I’m not willing to comment on this individual case until I know more.

    But I truly believe that if you make all guns illegal, it won’t make the problem go away and yes, I’m a firm believer that then only the criminals will be the ones holding the guns. Within the history of this nation, we as citizens, have always had the right to gun ownership and yet there seems to be a rise in the gun violence and once again I have to ask why now? What has changed in society? It’s not the guns that have changed, since they have always been there so it has to be something else. With quite a few of these recent shootings there has been an underlying issue of mental illness, so why ban the guns? why not deal with the mental illness?

    Our history, as a nation, has been based on individual gun ownership. On April 19, 1775, the government went into Concord to seize the ammunition and guns of it’s citizens. The citizens of Concord and Lexington stood up to the government and said no and drove the most powerful army in the world back to Boston. Had England never tried to do this we might still be a colony but the actions of the government sparked that revolution to give us the country we have today.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not opposed to some changes…..like closing the loopholes in selling firearms at gun shows and private sales not having to undergo background checks, or raising the age for rifles and shotguns to match pistols.

    I have to ask how you feel about this story: http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/Person-Shot-and-Killed-in-Davie-Home-Invasion-238597771.html

    or another one in SANDSTONE, Minn in which armed intruders tried to rob an elderly man but because he was armed he fought back with his own firearm. In both of these stories the victims are alive today.

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    • towerflower,
      I can’t speak for others but when I say “gun control,” it has nothing to do with making guns illegal. It has nothing to do with the standard Castle Doctrine, neither justifiable homicide. IMHO, I don’t think anyone else here is saying that guns should be made illegal either.

      For that reason, your recommended links are off topic because we are not challenging gun ownership and what I mention in the above paragraph.

      I do realize that when reporting stories involving harm and/or death caused by guns, that it can be easy to draw a line and argue pro-guns or anti-guns, but that’s the case here.

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          • Yahtzee and Rachael,

            It is my strong belief that what we do here is mostly share our compassion for the family and friends of those harmed and killed, whether by beatings or by weapons. There’s been no debate here on whether or not guns should be illegal but I think we all agree that there must be nation-wide gun control laws passed.

            Along with this, IMHO, law enforcement has to be above reproach. The calls to 911 that result in innocent people being killed results in communities not trusting law enforcement.

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          • I agree with your well-stated points, Xena.

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      • You all know where I stand on the gun violence and violence in general. I’m a gun owner and keep them locked up so no – one can get to them.

        It’s the people who have some bad wiring that need to be weeded out, or denied gun ownership because they are looked into from the jump. In many states Fogen never would have gotten a CCW permit and in NJ a purchase permit without a political connection which he has. He never would be a legal gun owner on his own merit here.

        My Fed guys still say his permit is invalid and the documents proved that. If he lived in NJ, he’d be in jail as we speak. This is what is wrong. Getting a drivers lic. is a privilege…….why is gun ownership a birthright ?????

        This is sickening…….how many more lists of victims do we need to read about.

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        • NJ does have a tough requirement:

          Issuance of the permit is almost completely discretionary, and New Jersey courts have upheld the policy of strictly limiting permits “to persons specifically employed in security work . . . and to others who can establish an urgent necessity for carrying guns for self-protection.”

          Z would have a tough time getting one unless he cried about “they are all trying to kill me”.

          I disagree with your Fed friend, the cops said he had one, there is a copy of his license in the released paperwork, Osterman said he had one, the FDLE interviewed the instructor of the safety portion of his license. Nothing has been released saying he doesn’t have a valid license.

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    • for every ONE time a gun is used for legitimate self defense, 22 times it is the cause of suicide, accidental shootings and crime.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182

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      • Funny how the NRA and the gun NutZZ say the exact opposite. They all claim that there are 100 times as many “good shoots” as there are gun crimes……..

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  10. “‘Crude’ devices found in Md. mall shooter’s bag”
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/25/columbia-mall-shooting/4893295/

    Howard County Police announced in a news release late Saturday that officers had located and disabled two “crude devices that appeared to be an attempt at making explosives using fireworks” in the gunman’s belongings.

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  11. Hello in a previous post i stated that murders in Chicago are down 20% let’s see if active shootings go down. It appears that these type of shootings will increase. Also since columbine active shooters are also using explosives in some way. So there should also be an effort to study explosive purchases and explosive component purchases.

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    • m1

      Hello in a previous post i stated that murders in Chicago are down 20% let’s see if active shootings go down.

      Yes, and conceal carry in Illinois did not go into effect until January and the Governor just chose members of the Board that will review applications. The first licenses may not be issued until May. I’m working on an article about it.

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  12. This is so horrible. In the near future Malls will have ‘what to in case of’ signs beside the ‘you are here’ maps. 😦

    imnho, a person who is ‘sane’ would not do this, but sane people do ‘snap’. I’m not so sure that everyone who kills others is certifiably ‘mentally ill’.

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    • I don’t know that it is mental illness per se, but we have become a society of convenience and instant gratification. That is one of the things, IMO, that make guns so dangerous. Someone who is angry just reacts and if a gun is there, it can be used. As stated above, very few guns are really used for self-defense and end up being used for homicides and suicides. it is just way too easy to get angry, pick up a gun and regret it, because once the bullet goes out, there is no putting it back in. Too much is done in anger and retaliation. I totally believe this to be the case with Trayvon. GZ was angry that night. His wife had left him. Here was someone who fit some profile in his mind. It was just too easy. It is just too easy to pick up a gun when one is angry.

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      • I don’t know that it is mental illness per se, but we have become a society of convenience and instant gratification. That is one of the things, IMO, that make guns so dangerous. Someone who is angry just reacts and if a gun is there, it can be used. As stated above, very few guns are really used for self-defense and end up being used for homicides and suicides. it is just way too easy to get angry, pick up a gun and regret it, because once the bullet goes out, there is no putting it back in. Too much is done in anger and retaliation.

        You make this point beautifully, Rachael!

        As far as GZ…..yes…..his racist mindset (f..cking c…ns) and his rage issues while carrying a loaded gun and pursuing Trayvon who was simply “walking while BLACK” in an area which GZ mentally claimed as “his OWN space” ALL combined together, producing a lethal concoction that led to the killing of a precious child.

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  13. Reblogged this on idealisticrebel and commented:
    This broke my heart when I heard this on the news. It isn’t going to stop.

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  14. Here is the ancestry of Tyler Johnson:
    Hattie L. (Tyler) and Rupert B. Bramwell
    Randolph Bramwell
    Jean Bramwell
    Nora Ryan
    Tyler Johnson (That’s him!)

    He is a direct descendant of the first Tyler (possibly), Wat Tyler.

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