George Zimmerman’s Guns

CNN reports that according to documents filed Monday in the recent domestic violence case, a search of the home that George Zimmerman shared with his girlfriend uncovered 5 weapons;

3 handguns

a 12-gauge shotgun

an AR-15 rifle.

Also uncovered where 106 rounds of ammunition and two AR-15 magazines; handgun holsters, a pack of gum,  a religious pendant, a flashlight, a pocket knife, sanitizing wipe, a soft-sided gun case and a combination lock.

Zimmerman’s public defender has filed papers with the court requesting that Zimmerman’s cell phone, knife, and small flashlight be returned to him.  Also, in an affidavit filed Monday, Zimmerman alleges that he recorded the altercation with his girlfriend on his cell phone.

george-with-knife-color-smirking1Funny thing.  In the altercation that George had with his estranged wife Shellie in September 2013, he did not record the altercation with his cell phone but rather, destroyed the iPad that Shellie said she used to record the altercation.  The recording was unable to be recovered due to the main board being bent by George, and his taking it apart with his pocket knife that severed some wires.

Posted on 11/25/2013, in George and Shellie Zimmerman and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 103 Comments.

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  2. GZ needs guns to feel like a real man but he is not a real man. He is a narrcistic monster who terrorized women and children and murdered one in cold blood and was aided and abetted by law enforcement, the prosecution and his so called friends and family!

    Please forgive me, but this man infuriates me! When I seee him, I have to turn the channel or change the screen on the computer! I absolutely loathe and hate him with a passion! I continue to hear the screams of Trayvon Martin crying for his Mom and this SOB shot him straight through the heart! He shot TM with impunity and just walked away from that. He is a miserable SOB! I know this one thing: You live by the sword, you did by the sword, and one day, he will get his deserved punishment by the very same sword that he holds so dear!

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    • I feel exactly the same way.

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    • Hi Deborah. Reading your comment, I was reminded of something Nancy Grace said tonight in response to Frank Taaffe’s mantra that George was acquitted. She said, (my paraphrase), “Yeah. But we know he’s killed.”

      That is the character that George and his wasp nest of supporters forget. By his own words, he took time to aim and made sure his other hand was out of the way. George Zimmerman calculated where he was going to fire that hollow point bullet. IF it was indeed self-defense, George could have shot Trayvon in the shoulder and allowed the judicial system to determine truth and facts. But no. He deliberately killed Trayvon so the truth and facts were silenced with him.

      George Zimmerman has killed. He has no remorse and believes it was God’s plan. And America is suppose to forget this? No way.

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      • Yes, George took aim and did shoot to kill.

        In his last terrified moments, Trayvon was looking death in its face as he desperately cried for help to no avail.

        Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble.

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      • @Xena:

        Happy holidays Xena and to the wonderful posters who have posted here over the past year and a half. OMG, i remember reading what you posted in the Discovery! Fogen’s own words were that he took the time to make sure that his other hand was out of the way, and he aimed and fired directly at the heart of a 17 year old who was beggging for mercy and crying for his Momma! This man cooly and coldly murdered this kid. No, he did not aim for the leg, or the arm, he aimed at the heart which shatters the heart chambers and fills up the lungs with blood. He suffered and lingered and he eventually succombed to the tragic effects of that shooting.

        Fogen and Frank Taafee are two peas in a pod! Evil, ruthless, and racist! Taafee and Fogen do not care about anyone but themselves!Taafee’s own children despise him and they have nothing to do with him. I don’t know about his deceased sons,but his daughter has denounced everything that he stands for!! When your own children pubicly denounce you, you know you are a SOB! I don’t care about Fogen, and I don’t care if he meets justice the same way that he dished it out. That will be what he deserves!

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  3. Reblogged this on It Is What It Is and commented:
    What are we expecting to happen with this man on the loose??

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  4. George Zimmerman is the best argument we have in America for better background checks.

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  5. Mindyme, YEP! And, that background check should include a credit check, because if a person can’t handle their finances, they sure should not be able to purchase a gun unless they plan on using it for financial gain.

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  6. Per Christi O’Connor.

    For weeks I’ve been investigating George’s run ins with the law. My findings kept expanding, causing the posting of my stories to be delayed. (I thank you for your patience.) As early as tomorrow, I will post one of my two recent investigations here and on Radaronline.com.

    In, “Crimes Of The Heart,” you will learn how George’s cell phones contain evidence pertinent to the case involving Samantha Scheibe. They also contain disturbing insight to his mental health and to his overall credibility as a defendant. In my second investigation, “The Walking Man,” you’ll learn how and when law enforcement officers and agencies ignored evidence and even covered for George. Why would they do it? You can decide after seeing interactions between cops and George caught on tape.

    Jayne Weintraub has her work cut out for her. But she is known and respected as a sharp lawyer who, according to my sources, was recommended by her friend and former Zimmerman attorney, Mark O’Mara. She doesn’t come cheap. My sources say George will pay her fees in ways that include the anticipation of a book and a movie deal. Also in ways that involve the colossal 2.5 million dollar debt George declared last week.

    http://zimmermanverdict.net/

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  8. I think I will have to disagree about the credit check Xena. I worked as a Sr Credit Investigator for about 25 years, and there so many different circumstances that can affect a persons credit than just not paying their bills. I do agree that is the number one reason, there are circumstances that occur in ones life that aren’t taken into consideration of why a credit report looks poor.

    Believe me, I have heard it all. This one I’ll never forget. I worked at a bank at the time, and it was shortly after 911. I recieved a call from a man who wanted to pay his brothers mastercard bill. He said that his brother worked in one of the towers, and there was a good chance he did not make it out. You could hear the pain in his voice as he talked about it, but he called because he wanted to make sure his payment was not late, just in case by some miracle he happened to survive. I noted the account, and told him not to worry about it, I placed the account on hold.

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    • Dreamer, what a sweet story about the brother and 9/11.

      You are correct that there are many factors that effect credit, but we’re talking about purchasing a gun. Let me give an example in effort to be more clear.

      A man has a judgment against him for child support. He has not worked for 6 mths. He is delinquent in paying his debts, and the judgment is on his credit report. So he decides to eliminate the child support issue by killing the mother.

      Another one: a woman used her credit card for cash and gave it to her boyfriend who promised to pay. He took the cash, broke-up with her, and used the money to entertain another woman. When the creditor serves her summons of filing suit to collect, she forsakes paying her rent to buy a gun, hunts the man down, and kills him.

      So I suppose the issue in including a credit check with a background check, would be to ask, is there anything in either that indicates the person will use the gun to commit a crime?

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      • Okay Big Sister, You know I loved those problem solving questions in school, like if Mr jones has 15 peaches, and Martha took 10 bake in her pie, but only used 8, how many peaches are left? Ha, Ha. I had to put on my thinking cap, actually I thought about your examples while I soaked in the tub.

        My first concern would be a background check to see if they had been convicted of a felony. If yes, no need to go any further. Using your examples, we can then assume neither have prior convictions. Other than that im not sure other than possably employment history, what a background check shows. But lets assume they are now free to purchase a gun. Now moving on to the employment history. He lost his job six months ago, and what we don’t know is why. Maybe he was married, but she like to party and likes other men as well, and she was not home in the morning to watch the girls, therefore was late for work one to many times, and fired. Now they went their ways, he is unable to find a job do to the economy, his bills and child support are past due.

        He moves in with his parents, they are ill, and he gets the girls on every other weekend. There have been a couple of child molesters in the neighborhood who are wanted for attacking little girls. Due to his credit, he is cannot purchase a gun, and one night they break in, they tie him and his parents up, and you know the rest of the story.

        So, what we have is based upon the cedit report, because the background check is clear. Should a person be denied a gun based upon the circummstances that don’t reflect why a poor credit history is shown. If it stopped the murder of his ex wife, great, but what if he was not able to protect his children or parents. And the big question is, with such evil intent, what stops them from buying a gun on the street corner, or using another means to murder?

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        • @dreamer. Bless your heart.

          Should a person be denied a gun based upon the circummstances that don’t reflect why a poor credit history is shown.

          That requires another question. Would a reasonable person forsake paying their current debts to purchase a gun? Let’s apply that to George Zimmerman. He was unable to pay his debts, but able to afford ammunition and go to the shooting range. His reason for getting a gun was to protect his wife from a dog that, although off leash, had not attacked anyone. (As an after thought, Zimmerman profiled the dog based on its breed.)

          And the big question is, with such evil intent, what stops them from buying a gun on the street corner, or using another means to murder?

          Because SYG has given citizens the ability to kill under color and claim of self-defense.

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          • Perhaps they should require a psychological evaluation. But you will always have the nuts like Fogen who will schmooze their way through, and by the time the doctor walks away they will be questioning himself/herself if they are nuts.

            SYG should have been properly called LOS, Last one standing. I agree with your statement about SYG, and that needs to change. Most reasonable people would not forsake their debts to purchase a gun. Most reasonable people would not have thoughts of murder. A person who wants to kill is not going to change their mind because they can’t legally purchase a gun, they will get one by another means or use kill in another way. SYG allows you to kill by any means.

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            • @dreamer.

              Most reasonable people would not have thoughts of murder.

              BINGO!!

              There’s only one purpose for guns.

              I’m not against gun ownership to protect the home, but walking around with a gun concealed always gives the carrier an advantage to kill unarmed people under any circumstance and claim they feared for their life later. Example, Michael Dunn.

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  9. Zimmerman’s hearing scheduled for Jan. 7, 2014, is before Judge Recksieldler. Isn’t that the same judge who recused herself in the murder case?

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  10. What a bunch of fricken BS:

    Orlando attorney Mark O’Mara will be a guest on “Central Florida Spotlight” at 12:30 p.m. Sunday on WFTV-Channel 9. O’Mara, who represented George Zimmerman, will discuss his new website and a bill he has crafted to punish the parents of cyber-bullies, moderator Greg Warmoth said. Another guest is Danny Banks of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Banks will discuss the recent prisoner escapes and document forgeries.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-mark-omara-john-mica-are-weekend-guests-20131031,0,6003329.post

    Punish the parents of cyber-bullies? WTF??!!! He perpetuated all the HORRIBLE VILE rhetoric of Trayvon, NEVER spoke out about the disgusting comments, and I read this??!!!!

    OMG

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    • Two sides to a story

      Some subconscious attempt on OM’s part to deflect his guilt at his cyberbullying? Ugh.

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      • Did you ever see my rants directed at him when people were making all those hateful comments about Trayvon and his family? I used to get SO angry because he could have done something about it. He could have spoke up. But he never did. Instead he fueled the fire. I still am in physical pain over some of the comments I read. My GOD, what if that had been my child and people were saying things like that, and my child, being biracial, it took it as if they were saying that about him, because it wasn’t always directed at Trayvon only or his family, but young black males. MO’M could have had a place in history of cyber bullying and “race relations,” and I guess he did, but NOT the place one would want to be. So what is this? He makes me SOOOOOOO sick!!!

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    • @Rachael. Regarding O’Mara, can we say “hypocrite”?

      It’s already established that ISPs suspend the internet service of account holders for harassment. Thus, if there are children in the household using the internet to cyber-bully, the consequences are upon the parents.

      What is needed is for social media, such as Facebook, to take cyber-bullying seriously. The same is true for any online source that allows comments.

      To prevent adults who behave like children from accessing sites where they have been suspended, social media should arrange with IP registers to obtain proxy IP addresses and block each and every one from accessing social media sites.

      I’m with you about O’Mara. He cyber-bullied Trayvon’s family and friends when using the internet to disparage Trayvon, who cannot speak for himself.

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    • I wonder how O’Mara even sleeps at night, and how West can look at his daughter’s faces and be so sure karma won’t visit his sins upon them.

      I do like the idea of parents be held responsible for their children’s actions regarding cyber bullying. Those kids learned that from someone.

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      • mindyme62,

        “I do like the idea of parents be held responsible for their children’s actions regarding cyber bullying”

        I like the idea as well, but do you think it would be allowed under our constitutional law? I would have to research, but I suspect it probably wouldn’t.. What do you think?

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        • If a parent pays for the internet, I believe they have a legal obligation to insure no crimes/abuse are coming from that connection. However, not everyone uses the internet at ‘home’. idk Crazy.

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  11. I would like to see some sort of check for long term prescription drug use when the drugs has known side effects which effect a person’s mind or have violence listed as side effects. From reports released, we know that 4 of the drugs that Z took could have an effect on one’s state of mind and 2 list violence as side effects.

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    • @towerflower.

      I would like to see some sort of check for long term prescription drug use ….

      Yes, I agree, but that might violate HIPPA. When a person has been admitted to a mental health facility, that becomes a record with the State and available to law enforcement when conducting background checks for the issuing of permits to have weapons. Just taking prescription drugs of the type you mention would require voluntary disclosure. It would also require that LE have a list of drugs that meet the criteria to disqualify for gun ownership.

      Crazy1946 is right when saying that (my paraphrase) America’s options at law are nothing more than band-aids.

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      • towerflower

        If you do the research on that you’ll find there are now problems with the mental health reporting and background checks. The two groups don’t share the same reporting system and the sad fact is, even if a facility does report a person mentally deficient the law enforcement side might not find out about it.

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        • @towerflower.

          The two groups don’t share the same reporting system and the sad fact is, even if a facility does report a person mentally deficient the law enforcement side might not find out about it.

          IOWs, America is SOL when it comes to effective gun control. (sigh)

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  12. I would hate to think that because I filed bankruptcy on $180,000 of combined marital assets in order to placate and be free of an abusive spouse that I would be denied a carry permit yet my abuser, who didn’t take financial responsibility would be able to legally carry.

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    • @mindyme62. When bankruptcy is filed, it eliminates debts, so that should not prevent the debtor from passing a background/credit check. At least a person who files bankruptcy demonstrates decision making maturity to get a fresh start.

      If background checks should include credit checks, it really can’t be one size fits all. But, I still stand on the premise that it should be included. It might just eliminate some folks who would be irresponsible gun owners.

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      • yes I was actually told it improved my ability to repay debt when needing credit after I had filed.. Background checks need so much more work to be effective.

        There are HIPPA laws that need to be considered. We can’t open our medical history for just anyone to see.

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        • @mindyme62.

          Background checks need so much more work to be effective.

          There are HIPPA laws that need to be considered. We can’t open our medical history for just anyone to see.

          Exactly!

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        • @mindyme62,

          People are under the assumption that once you file bankruptcy you will not be able to get credit. Creditors are more than willing to to extend credit to people who have filed bk, as they cannot file for another 7 years. You can even purchase a home after 2 years. The only downfall is that you will probably be charged a higher interest rate for awhile. Some people also assume if you file chapter 13 bankruptcy where the creditors are paid back at a agreed upon lower payment, that creditors will be more apt to extend credit to you. They really don’t care, in fact, until you pay off your creditors, which is normally 3 to 5 years under chapter 13, your credit will continue to show a past due or slow history, where as under chapter 7, your done, and the only thing that shows is “included in chapter 7 bankrupcy.” Bankruptcy will stay on your credit file 7 years fron the date it is discharged.

          Fyi, all credit remains on your credit report for 7 years of the last payment made. The biggest mistake people make is after a couple of years of not paying on an account, they get the urge to try and repair their credit, and stop paying again. So lets say you haven’t paid on your visa account for 5 years and decide to pay, and for some reason you find you can’t pay for whatever reason. Regardless of your balance, had you not made a payment, in 2 years it would no longer show on your credit report, but once you make a payment, you now have to wait another 7 years from that payment to come off. That means another 7 years your credit will be marked.

          And that concludes Credit 101 this evening. LOL

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  13. Marital DEBT even! (not assets) D’oh!!

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  14. Xena, We can all throw these great ideas out here that we want to see in a new law, however until the gun show loop hole is closed, and the private sale loop hole is closed and the black market sales are stopped all these great ideas are not going to do much good other than to place a band aid upon the problem. As it stands now, if a person wants a gun to kill, there is no way to prevent it…. Use George Zimmerman as a good example, I would be willing to bet $10 that he has access to a gun right now… the gun laws only prevent a some what honest person from getting a gun, people like Zimmerman will still have a gun, no law at present can prevent it…

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    • Crazy1946, your comment just reminded me of something. Remember when Shellie was charged with perjury, the State of Florida suspended her CCL? We didn’t see that for George, although the defense and prosecution said that he had a valid license.

      Now we come to this case where his bond conditions include no ownership of weapons. So, why hasn’t his CCL been suspended pending the outcome of the case? As long as he has a CCL, and without gun shop owners knowing the bond conditions, he can still buy a gun.

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      • Sorry, but technically his CCL is under suspension, I feel sure the prosecutor sent the forms to have that done, we just have not heard about it yet. Under the law, his use of a gun in a domestic violence charge, causes his license to be suspended until the case is settled, if he is found not guilty he can apply to have it re-instated…
        Now as far as the gun shop part, no the arrest and charge of domestic violence will show up on his back ground check and prevent the purchase. He will have had to go to another source to buy his present gun…

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        • Xena, After I had written my response to you and posted it, it actually sunk in to my feeble brain that you said gun shop owner not knowing the bond conditions… I don’t think you could find a gun shop in this country that does not know about George Zimmerman!! If he did and filled out the paper work to purchase the gun, then he has violated a federal law, one that they have been known to enforce…. Please George, go to a gun shop and try to buy a gun… Pretty please…..

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          • @crazy1946.

            Please George, go to a gun shop and try to buy a gun… Pretty please

            LOL!! Please, pretty please.

            You probably already know that when people want to violate the law, they find all kinds of excuses. I can hear George now ask a gun shop owner, “Did you read anything in the news about my license being suspended?”

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        • crazy, I’m sure one of his many black friends could get him one, cause you know they are all thugs on drugs. Maybe Rj needs to sit down with Fogen and have one of his honest discussions of why he has only one white token friend, and has so many black friends, being that they must all have violent tendencies. Hummm, I wonder why we haven’t heard from any of the thousands and thousands of black friends on how welcome they felt when they visited the Zim household. They only person who has come forth is the cousin who tells of how welcome she felt. I’ll be the holidays were one joyous event with all the family and friends, singing kumbaya carols, drinking hot chocolate, and playing hide and seek (lock up all the valuables)

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          • dreamer, I’m still waiting to hear from the two “black children” he spent so much time mentoring! Maybe they will invite him to their home for the holidays to pay him back for giving so much time and love in an attempt to improve their quality of life? I would however suggest they use paper plates, plastic silverware, and disposable cups, to prevent accidental loss into George’s pockets…

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    • Lets also remember we’re ONLY talking about the Concealed Carry Permit. but he/we don’t need a permit to just buy a gun and have it in your car or house. i don’t think these types of misdemeanor/felony charges etc.(once adjudicated/off probation or bail) preclude someone from just possessing a gun as long as your not concealing it?

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      • shannoninmiami, I’m not sure if this will totally answer your question or not, but this seems to apply.

        “4. The federal gun ban includes some people who are only under indictment! Anyone who is “under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year” is not allowed “to ship or transport . . . any firearm or ammunition or receive any such firearm or ammunition.” 18 U.S.C. § 922(n).

        The meaning of this statute is a bit unclear. At the very least, it bars anyone under indictment from “receiving,” or acquiring, a gun that they did not own before being indicted. But what about guns that someone owned before they were indicted? Are they required to get rid of them after the indictment is handed down?

        The express terms of the statute mention only shipping, transporting, and receiving a gun, not possessing one. In comparison, the federal statute that applies the gun ban to convicted felons and to those with misdemeanor domestic violence convictions expressly bans possession, as well as shipping, transporting, and receiving. You can make a strong argument based on the wording of the statute that someone under indictment is allowed to possess a gun he owned before being indicted, even if he is not allowed to ship, transport, or receive it.

        But when does possession become transporting? And when does it become shipping? In my opinion, the issues are too murky, and the stakes are too high. The safer and better practice is probably to advise all clients under indictment to get rid of their guns and not to have anything to do with any guns while the indictment is pending.”

        http://www.williamslawonline.com/Press-Room/Top-10-Things-Know-About-Federal-Gun-Law.shtml

        Read the information contained in the site, don’t worry about the state that he is in, only the portion that is actually covered in the federal law.. It would seem, per this site, that George Zimmerman could lose his right to own a weapon for even misdemeanor domestic violence.. I may be misunderstanding the words so feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

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        • thank you crazy pants! 🙂 i believe you’re right abt the domestic violence conviction. i still wonder that as long as it’s a misdemeanor and after the 3 yr waiting period would he still be able to have possession of a gun even if he can’t get the CCP.. i’m confused and i’ll wait till someone else does the work hehehe 😉

          btw, i have another question. is there some official data base, state/federal that can confirm 100% zimmerman actually HAD a VALID CCP at the time of the murder? I just don’t trust the state about this. this issue was a little too shaky for my taste, as was every single thing they did in this kangaroo court!

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          • shannoninmiami, Here is a quote from the article that I linked earlier that applies to the misdemeanor (or felony) domestic violence charge…

            ” If someone has a state court conviction for simple assault, assault on a female, or any other misdemeanor assault, and if the victim is the client’s spouse, live-in partner, child, or anyone else “similarly situated,” then the client is forever barred by federal law from possessing a gun. The same applies to convictions for communicating threats, when the client threatens to use a deadly weapon against one of the victims named above. The client can never again possess a gun; if he does, he can be prosecuted in federal court and receive up to ten years in federal prison.”

            Perhaps towerflower will chime in and tell us if I am wrong, but I have been unable to find any sort of national data base on CCL’s, and who has one…

            Now as far as George Zimmerman having a valid CCL at the time he MURDERED Trayvon Martin, because it was never an issue in the case, I had no interest in determining if his was valid or not. I do recall that several of our esteemed co-posters were of the impression that he did have one, but like I said, it did not matter in the legal part of the case..

            ” i’m confused and i’ll wait till someone else does the work hehehe 😉 ”

            Does that mean I’ve been had? Oh well, my fingers needed the exercise anyway… Have a wonderful night! Don’t allow the turkey stuffer to become stuffed tomorrow… I made a point of ensuring I had a couple Chicken Ramen Noodles to cook for dinner tomorrow (they don’t make turkey ones, darn it)! 😉

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  15. towerflower

    No Gun Shop Owner in their right mind would take the chance to sell him a gun and violate their license. Like Crazy said, his bond restrictions do the same thing as suspending his Concealed License. Shellie was never told to keep away from guns, Z had. But anytime a person is charged with a felony in the state, it requires the charging agency to notify the state of the charge and then the state sends a letter notifying the holder of the suspension.

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    • Towerflower, I hear you, but I’m thinking back to discussions on another blog that raised the question of whether George had a valid CCL. In discovery, there was a report where the investigator visited the man who conducted the class that George paid for as a condition to qualify for a CCL. There was discussion about what he paid and it turned out it was not payment in full. It became a bit too complicated at the time since I was concentrating on other issues, so I can’t explain it, but I do still question it.

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      • towerflower

        He did have a valid CCL. They had a photo copy of it in one of the evidence dumps…..although you really couldn’t read it but it was one.

        I heard the rumors about the payment thing but could find nothing to support it. The cops interviewed the instructor and he couldn’t even remember Z much less if there was a payment problem. But I can guarantee he paid the State or they would have never issued the license. The FDLE interviewed the instructor of the course and his statement is on page 86 of the 283 document dump but basically he said he teaches a lot of courses and doesn’t remember Z.

        The process of getting a CCL requires:
        7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor;

        A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; or an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught said course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document which shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph; any person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm.

        The cost for these courses vary by the group/or person teaching it. You’ll find it as cheap as $45 and as much as $150. Once you teach the course, the instructor will issue a certificate of training in which the applicant sends to the State as proof of training. It also only requires a safety course…..so he could’ve taken a safe hunting course and it would’ve qualified as long as the person teaching it has the proper certifications—the instructor license number is required on all certificates to check. I got held up on mine because I sent in my Instructor certificate and it does not have a place for the instructor of the course to list their license #, unlike those who only go for a safety course. I called the State to ask why, after all I could teach the course to those who are seeking the CCL and, only after I called, they accepted my NRA Instructor card to process it.

        It is also up to the Instructor of the course if he wants to issue the certificate, if for some reason they feel like the person isn’t capable of shooting a gun safely they can withhold the certification. But even with the completion of a safety course they still have to pass the rest of the State’s restrictions and background checks.

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    • towerflower, Now that you mention Shellie, correct me if I am wrong, can’t she have her CCL reinstated because she was not convicted of a felony? I don’t think that misdemeanor perjury is listed as a disqualifying offense is it? Now, then again we don’t know the conditions of her probation, so not having a gun could be part of that deal they worked out… Personally, I would have no problem with her having a gun to take care of the problem should George get out of line, hmmm, could we then change her name to karma???

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      • Crazy1946, just uploaded Shellie’s probation conditions and will have it linked on the sidebar under “Documents” in a few minutes. She cannot possess, carry, or own any firearms. She can have a “weapon” with consent of her community or probation officer.

        https://blackbutterfly7.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/shellie_zimmerman_8-28-2013.pdf

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        • Xena, Thank you, I had not realized they had been released! I’ll read them to ensure that in the future I do know what the contain… You did dash my hopes that we could rename her Karma… Actually Zimmerman better be more concerned about one of his former supporters earning the name… Does anyone wonder what he is doing for protection, poor guy’s broke and all alone in a big bad world that is out to get him, and his penis extension is locked up in jail… If it were anyone but him, I might actually feel a little sympathy… he has earned his fate… Hmmm do you suppose he has visiting privilege’s with his penis extension, or is it being held in solitary?

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          • @crazy1946.

            Does anyone wonder what he is doing for protection, …

            Since he thinks Samantha is pregnant, I would think he is doing nothing for protection.

            Oh — you mean protection as in not being killed. LOL!!

            Seems to me that the only time George has felt threatened is when he has started an altercation. What’s that saying, “If you don’t start none, there won’t be none.”

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            • Xena, But, but, but the blackish panthers are agona git em….. He’s skeered of his own shadow… Just think, no woman around to protect him, maybe he can borrow one from one of his supporters….

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          • towerflower

            From what I see, once her probation is over she will be able to have her license reinstated. The only misdemeanor charge that prohibits you from getting one is a charge of domestic violence and then you can after 3 years have passed—any type of felony charge will prevent you from ever having one. Florida Statues 790.06 covers it all.
            http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html

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            • So then, that means Fogen won’t be able to carry for three years sine he was charged with domestic violence, even if he gets off on the felony charge?

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            • If he is found GUILTY of even a misdemeanor charge of DV he won’t be able to carry until 3 yrs have passed. The key word is guilty and not just charged only a not guilty verdict will save his ability to carry. DV is the only misdemeanor that has an effect on a concealed license.

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  16. towerflower

    People are missing out on a new Z lie. He told the police that he recorded the argument with his girlfriend on his cell phone. Now his then attorney filed to have the cell phones returned since they don’t contain evidence. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

    I also wonder if there is still proof in the phones of his sending the text photo to the girlfriend’s daughter.

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    • @towerflower.

      I also wonder if there is still proof in the phones of his sending the text photo to the girlfriend’s daughter.

      Which is probably why he wants both phones back.

      Regarding Zimmerman’s contradiction, you can be sure that each time anything is posted about Zimmerman that might lead to a conviction, he works to circumvent it. Just think — when we (speaking of justice for Trayvon supporters) heard two voices in the background of Jenna’s 911 call, THEN O’Mara decided to motion to exclude expert testimony on the basis of it being “junk science.”

      When we understood about the gunshot holes not lining up with the entry wound, is when O’Mara came up with the can in the pocket story. Never mind that the shirt underneath had no pocket to have anything pull it down even with the hole in the hoodie.

      When we understood that rain does not discriminate to wash blood off Trayvon’s hands but not Zimmerman’s big head, is when O’Mara and West formulated their non-preservation of DNA defense.

      So now, we’ve indirectly told Zimmerman that if he sent a photo to a 10 year old that is intimidate or suggests sex, that he is open for a federal charge, he wants his phones back.

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      • hopefully Samantha had the foresight to save the text/image from her daughter’s phone!

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        • Mindyme62. Yes, hopefully, along with a good explanation as to why she gave her daughter’s phone number to George. I’m pretty sure that he wormed his way into getting it.

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          • Xena, I’ve really tried hard to not say anything bad about SS, but I have to question her mental well being because she allowed her young daughter to be around Zimmerman with full knowledge that he molested his own young cousin… and then after the pervert sent her daughter that photo she went back to him? What sane woman would do that? I’m surprised that we have not heard that child protective services have taken custody her daughter yet…

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            • @Crazy: I have no problem saying something bad about Samantha! It is obvious that this crazy woman is as crazy as Fogen is! She is gullible, naive and has a mental defect! She had Fogen around her daughter, after she heard the allegations about his molesting his cousin?? Why would you have an abuser like that around her child?

              Then this fool sends her minor daughter that photo? What the hell is wrong wtih her anyway? Is she that desperate to have ANYONE in her life? She is a not bad looking woman at all. Is Fogen all she can attract? What does and what did she see in him in the first place? The man is crazy, in debt, does not have a job and cannot hold one, murdered a teenager and he has a whole lot of other baggage to numerous to list here but you know the deal. Why isn’t something being done about Fogen sending that photo of a sexual nature to a minor? What does this man have to do to get arrested and convicted? Does he have to kill a white person because they had no problem arresting him based on the word of this white woman. they don’t givve a damn about blacks or the life of a black kid.

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            • Crazy1946, it’s a hard judgment. George is a manipulative liar, so probably convinced Sam (like his supporters are now trying to convince themselves), that the cousin was out to get him.

              Sam endured George until she got her clothes and furniture back. He held them for ransom.

              I have a friend that experienced something similar. She was dating a guy (not living together) and began feeling uncomfortable and wanted to breakup. He had “borrowed” her camera and she wanted it back before breaking the news. He had an excuse for why he forgot to return it. About a week later, she severed the relationship. However, he kept calling, wanting her to meet him. She continued to refuse and guess what he told her? “If you want your camera back, you better meet me tonight.”

              Her advantage was that she could afford to replace the camera and buy maybe 50 more. LOL!!

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  17. This pic made my day. 🙂

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  18. HI Xena!
    Wow, you’ve been a busy bee! So many articles and great comments. I don’t know why but there’s been a huge sense of relief ever since GZ’s gun were taken away. Seriously.
    I’m not anti-NRA or anything like that but the facts we learned about him in the Trayvon Martin trial tell me, GZ should not own guns or have access to them. IMO, he got away with murder and hasn’t shown a bit of remorse. He’s a danger to society.
    Just by the fact that he can’t stay out of trouble since his acquittal proves it.
    And the nerve of O’Mara!! “Cyber Bullying???”
    buwhahahahhaa!! OMG…did someone hoit his widdle feelings?? GMAFB!

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    • Hey JB!!
      Waving Hi Text

      You are so right. Since his acquittal, the world has gotten to see the “real George Zimmerman.”

      O’Mara wants to pipe-in on the Rebecca Sedgwick case who committed suicide after being relentlessly bullied. Personally, I think his conscience is bothering him since he co-signed all the cyber-harassment conducted by George’s supporters.

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  21. I wonder what went on behind the scenes with fat gz and skinny MOM.

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  22. Hi Xena…..Thank you for posting all the info!! Family members have started to arrive in town for Thanksgiving,so I don’t have very much computer time.I can count on you to have the latest! I can’t believe I read in the search warrant that that damn fool ZimASS was coming to Texas? Holy Crap! I don’t want him here!
    MOM…Oh Dear God…has he ever got NERVE!!
    I would like to ask a STUPID question…..Why could they not also charge ZimASS with resisting arrest since he would not come out with them banging on the door & piling furniture in front of the door? I’m pretty sure here in Texas….that would be another charge….maybe I’m wrong?
    Hi J B (((waving)) I just saw you on here.It does seem a little safe since they took his guns…but I bet before the day was over Taffe gave him one or his friend Mark.We also can’t forget all his GUN NUT BUDS! What blows my mind is you know all these people,including law enforcement,attorneys,etc.KNOW his mental health issues & the meds he either used to take or still take!! I’ll never understand.

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    • Mark Osterman gave him one handgun already. He had given him one when he left the state before his bond was revoked. It was that gun that the took from his vehicle when he was taken into custody. He wrote about it in his book and as of the writing, LE still had not returned that gun.

      I can’t see MO giving him another knowing the bond restrictions or having him stay in his place. He has too much to lose, mainly his job with the government. Taffee is another story, he is just as nuts as Z.

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  23. Towerflower…you are so RIGHT about Osterman giving him that gun.I had forgot about that! You don’t think they gave it back to him? I know they kept the one used in Trayvon’s murder,but haven’t heard anything about the other one.YES Taffee is another TICKING TIME BOMB! He is all over the place bragging about bonding Zimmerman out.I thought those 2 would not be able to be around each other with their PROBATIONS.I thought Taffee had several DWI’s which means you can’t be around other SHADY people!!

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    • towerflower

      I’m guessing, but I bet Osterman got his gun back after the trial. There would have been no reason to hold it and it was not connected to the crime.

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  24. “The search warrant says Zimmerman told deputies a different version of events. He said that Scheibe and he had agreed to separate and that he was planning to move to Texas. But as he gathered his belongings, Zimmerman said Scheibe became upset and threw a handgun and the shotgun on the floor.” from http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=21017243

    remember gz said nothing on his 911 call abt Sam throwing his guns anywhere. in fact he said his guns were locked up. i think he mentions that she’s throwing shit around and SHE broke a table-but says he doesn’t know what she broke it with! so he brings the broken table up but conveniently doesn’t know what she broke it with. so i ask why does he think she needed “something” to break it with? couldn’t she have broken by kicking it, or dropping it while moving?? doesn’t that sound just like his usual turn-it-around on the other guy excuse in the anticipation of being confronted about it? he’s on the phone already knowing what he’s gonna be explaining. it just makes me sick!

    oh and of course the ol, she threw a fit because she didn’t want me to leave lie, because i’m so desirable i’m the one who’s leaving her. his lies are too predictable, too common. he’s loosing his lying touch if you ask me.

    remember he was also listening to the beginning of her call so he knew what she had already said to the 911. so that’s what he countered in his statement. i wonder if we can tell by his statements of lies if he covered every accusation she made that he was able to over hear, and if she said other things out of his earshot that he didn’t know to cover in his story? you know what i mean? something the cops have on him that he didn’t realize…

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    • Great observations, Shannon!

      oh and of course the ol, she threw a fit because she didn’t want me to leave lie

      Definitely a lie.

      George is the one that throws fits and leaves damage behind.

      This is George’s standard pattern of behavior.

      I don’t know what the heated argument with his mother was about was about, but George’s ex-fiance said that George retaliated by turning off his mother’s electricity and locking the electric box.

      His ex-fiance said that George had become physically aggressive a month after they had separated when she refused to let him stay overnight at her apartment.

      We also know that George threatened Shellie and her father with a gun although she did not see it, just that he put his hand where it was as he said the threatening words.

      George left Shellie a threat in the form of a shot-up target on the wall (riddled with bullets)

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  25. Hello everyone!
    Sorry I’ve been absent today. My internet service was down from around 8 a.m. until just a few moments ago. Now, I have to run to the store for last minute stuff for tomorrow, but I’ll be back online later this evening.

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    • Probably not. He would have mentioned his dog.

      He is not supposed to have guns or be around them, and so I doubt that he would put out such an ad.

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  27. Rev. Sharpton talks about George Zimmerman and his arsenal.

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