Open Thread – Nov. 20, 2013
Hello everyone!
So much is happening.
Samantha (George Zimmerman’s ex-girlfriend) tried getting interviews with major media but because they didn’t offer to pay what she wanted, she turned them down. Well, I suppose she needed the money to support George.
What has been reported about those things that Samantha and her mom did tell the media in hope of getting an interview, speaks volumes. (Too bad they aren’t being paid for what they already said to the media. snark)
There are other things in the news as well.
Feel free to use this open thread.
Posted on 11/20/2013, in Potpourri and tagged open thread. Bookmark the permalink. 103 Comments.
We Hold These Truths To Be Self-Evident 
ha! right? It just slays me how folks will dis her for this while allowing Zimwit a pass for his beg-site.
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Hey Mindyme62!!
I figure that Samantha (Sam) was feeding George and his dog, buying gas for his truck, paying for his prescriptions, washing his clothes, etc. without any financial contribution from him. He would want his truck note and credit cards paid as well. Let’s add that he needs a divorce attorney, and has traffic tickets to pay. Of course, she would want to be compensated more than the general thousand dollars paid by major media for sit-down interviews.
Figure that from Feb. 2012 until April 2012, George was behind in bills to the tune of approximately $35K. It’s been 4 months since his acquittal. Can we imagine how much he is behind in paying his debts? It must be mind boggling.
He bought guns to feed his mental and emotional appetites and left it up to Sam to financially support him otherwise.
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Soooooo, what you’re saying is…..it sucks to Fogen Phoole about now??
Don’t forget the 2.5 million he owes O’ Mara……not to mention the lawsuit against him for security and he’ll most likely owe NBC some money for filing a frivolous lawsuit.
Hey Gals…..he’s up for grabs again !!
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Hey Racerrodig!
I’m wondering if Zimmerman put that on his affidavit with the hope of having people donate more money to the Trust fund under the perception it’s for O’Mara and West and not for him? O’Mara’s not in charge of the Trust fund, so it would just be more money for Zimmerman to have for his pocket.
Who will support him now? Maybe he should contact the guy with the outbound telemarketing center and ask for a job.
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Anything is possible but I really doubt a single Zidiot will buck up so he can pay a lawyer. Now if he shoots someone they deem deserved anything like that, they may.
I really don’t think so at this point. My source has told me repeatedly he hasn’t had anything come in since 2012.
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Racer, you know, when he went on Hannity’s and then launched his new FB page, I said then that the money flow had stopped. Many who donated to him when he was in jail felt betrayed. Here’s a man who appealed for donations on the basis that he needed a legal defense, but he used approximately $35K to pay off bills — accrued bills — bills he had and were behind in paying on 2/26/12.
Then George kept his valid passport secret and sat like a potted palm while Shellie misrepresented her knowledge of the money.
They told their donors exactly what type of people they are. Like Judge Lester said, Zimmerman was going to flee the country with $135K of other people’s money.
Using the money for legal defense my foot.
Until Shellie filed for divorce, I was under the impression that they paid off both cars last year. With her petition setting forth that they owe on both cars, it means that the money they submitted back in April 2012 were past due amounts.
They weren’t JUST behind on bills as of March 1, 2012 when Zimmerman went into hiding. They were in very bad financial shape for months before then.
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Don’t forget that he was given 12K from a supporter after the verdict for guns, so he had money, but apparently really did a good deal on new guns.
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@Two sides. Yep. Buying guns were more important to him than having money to pay his bills and for his living expenses. Looks like Wes left when the money did, and then Sam had to take him in. Now there’s no Wes, no Sam, no money, no address that he can call his own.
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Just thinking out loud on the keyboard.
Maddy, Juror B29, was offered a job in an outbound telemarketing company. Doug Kaplan, who offered that job, opened a “campaign” for donations to Maddy.
Today, I discovered that attorney David Chico, who sat with Maddy during her media interviews, is also asking for donations and job tips for Maddy. It appears that he and Maddy do not want what Kaplan is offering. http://davidchicolaw.com/jurorb29/
What makes this interesting is that it was Maddy’s vote of not guilty that set Zimmerman free without future court action on the murder charge. In other words, had Maddy hung the jury, there would still be potential for the State to re-try.
So, while Maddy’s vote set George Zimmerman free, Kaplan has not offered George a job in his outbound telemarketing center, and Chico is not asking the public for job tips for George.
Doesn’t George Zimmerman have at least one advocate who owns a business in Central Florida willing to hire him? Or, did they advocate for his innocence while in their heart, not really trust him?
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Nope. Not one of his supporters seems to want to get close to him.
His “supporters” just used George for their SYG and racist agendas.
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@Yahtzee. Absolutely! Here’s the guy who opened a Facebook Page to advocate for Ted Wafer and is seeking to promote it via the media. The media should know that he holds to White Supremacist ideology and is an identified cyber-bully/extortioner. If anyone has any doubts, they should see what he has posted on his “BGI” blog.
https://twitter.com/support4GZ/status/403038663270858753
https://twitter.com/support4GZ/status/402210577180680192
https://twitter.com/support4GZ/status/401501794599071744
https://twitter.com/support4GZ/status/399417936831467520
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What a wimp jerk that Burton Ernie is!
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@Yahtzee. You know who that is, right?
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Is that DP by any chance.
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@racerrodig. HA! You knew without my saying.
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DP is going by quite a few names over on Annette Kelly’s blog. Thanks for pointing out this one.
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@Two sides
Thanks for letting me know. He is now trying to impress the media to interview him in promotion of his “Justice for Ted Wafer” Facebook page, so probably doesn’t want them discovering his comments as “Justice for Ted Wafer” where he disparages, demeans, and bullies others. He uses multiple handles for his comments calling an entire race “savages” and denigrates Trayvon, Trayvon’s parents, attorneys Crump and Jackson and Rev. Sharpton.
He cannot erase his extensive, racially bigoted history from the internet.
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Xena,
You are just the opposite of this guy. You are so SUPERIOR to him.
You have class, intellectual brilliance, a caring heart, and dignity.
I am so very much appreciate you!
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@Yahtzee. I am humbled by your compliment.
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Only weaklings put others down.
I wonder what weakness this guy is compensating for.
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Yahtzee, if we could answer that question, we might be able to understand what causes White Supremacist ideology and prevent it from carrying on in the future.
What D.P. does brings reproach to all Zimmerman supporters, even those who are not bigoted racists. Also, it doesn’t help that none of his blogs nor those he comments on, are all segregated. (Well, maybe I should say those blogs he comments on because no one comments on his blogs.)
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I’m guessing that when push comes to shove, most employers, even those who donated to his defense fund, would not trust the big Z, or would find his presence a liability to their business operations.
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Maybe they would pay him to stay away!
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@Two sides. Good point!
It’s one thing to hire an employee who says they are subject to threats, but another thing to hire one who has killed another human being.
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Zimmerman’s full bond hearing.
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Zimmerman’s neighbors are not favorable of him.
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Wow! They had no idea he was living in their neighborhood and none of those interviewed liked him.
One was even worried for the safety of her children!
Thanks for this video, Xena!
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Reminds me of what the U.S. Attorney stated about the effect of hate crimes on a community. That woman concerned for the safety of her children with Zimmerman being in the neighborhood just goes to prove that his acquittal placed parents in fear for their children, regardless of their race.
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Absolutely true!
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Yep…..”regardless of their race.” being the operative phrase.
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Yeah – If he shot and killed one kid for running away from him, what’s to stop him from killing another kid for doing the same thing?
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Yes thanks indeed. it was refreshing g to hear their views.
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Hey Fogen…..looks like you’re getting any welcome wagon gifts anywhere or anytime, well…………..ever.
Funny, my neighbors don’t talk about me that way…..Hmmmmm. And come to think of it, I don’t have any neighbors like him to talk that way about……and I’m damn glad of it.
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And they are all white! Plus, first neighbor says he walked around like a cop, she thought he was an undercover cop.
Now, with girlfriend saying he threatened suicide and missed the media attention, this is very scary for anyone near him. If his sister who really cared for him and parents would step up to the plate, he can be Baker acted in fl. And then maybe held to get the help he needs. Yes, I know he’s sociopathic but there are rage issues and at least make an attempt, family to get him into a treatment program.
It is very hard to force an adult child into treatment but with this information, dangerous to self , they have a duty to try. His mother created this monster and she needs to act like a mother and step up, if not for her son, then for her safety and others too. I texted jr. But I don’t think any of them have any contact with him. But that sister, Gracie, adored him.
This has horrible tragedy all over it.
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You’re right, but know why they probably hesitate or refuse to help? Because George is the type of liar that not only turns things around to accuse others, but also retaliates. Remember, he stole Trayvon’s screams. George would have no problem putting a gun in the mouth of whomever tries to Baker Act him and saying it was they who wanted to commit suicide.
His family and whatever few friends he had all know that George is capable of killing. He’s also capable of pulling out his pocket knife. They’re apparently afraid of him and should be.
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Baker Acting is done by specially trained cops. Now, they would have good reason to be fearful when he gets out but it would be their responsibility to help their son. He is much more dangerous than he was on 2/26/12.
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@2dogsonly.
I agree, but that is something they should have done a long, long time ago. His family knows he’s much more dangerous now, which is why they have nothing to do with him. Where are all of those defense witnesses who spoke so highly of him? Silence.
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This is true, my sister tried to baker act her ex husband when he hit rock bottom after the divorce. He became addicted to drugs and one day he showed up her home with a few items to give to his kids, like his eye glasses to give to his son. This and some of his comments led her to believe that he would attempt suicide and she called the police. When they found him, they talked to him and when questioned if he was thinking of taking his own life, he denied it. When he denied it and was in a state of mind for them not to believe he would they accepted his word and left.
He didn’t attempt suicide but the smooth talker that Z is I can see him spinning it back on someone else and denying he tried anything–even if he had put the gun in his mouth. I think without video evidence they would still leave him alone.
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I agree that they are scared of him.
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George Zimmerman “more dangerous that Trayvon Martin ever was.”
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Trayvon wasn’t dangerous. He was a very sweet teen, actually.
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@2dogsonly. I totally agree that Trayvon was not dangerous in any capacity. However, there are people who take the position that Trayvon had rights to stand his ground and might have caused injuries to Zimmerman. That’s not my position. The DNA findings and lack of blood on the sidewalk supports that Trayvon never bashed George’s head, neither hit him about his head and face.
Now, what clue can we gather based on Samantha’s statement that Shellie was hitting George on the head with her iPad? In the cop shop photos of 2/26/12, there’s a distinct shape next to a wound on George’s head.
He’s not open to double-jeopardy. They should come out and tell the truth. Maybe then George will be able to sleep without drugs.
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There is a very good chance you are right, Xena!
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@Yahtzee. IMO, George was either beaten at Kokopelli’s gym or hit on the head by Shellie.
See that shape that looks like a sideways “U” on the right side of his head as it faces us? That was not caused by the sidewalk. He was hit with something, or fell on something that has that shape.
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Yes, I see it.
Thinking of Kopelli’s gym, please take a look at some of the hardware used on the ropes of the boxing ring:
https://www.google.com/search?q=boxing+rope+clamp&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=eVKOUu7lGdPIsAS11oDQCQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1158&bih=580
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“In reporting the latest on George Zimmerman, WKMG-Channel 6 has shared text messages between the station and Zimmerman’s girlfriend, Samantha Scheibe, and the woman’s mother, Hope Mason.”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-george-zimmerman-when-emails-become-news-20131120,0,2252808.post
I wonder if the photo that George sent to the 10 yr old is included?
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This dipshit must really like the world seeing him in handcuffs and prison jumpsuits.
There is no other explanation……does this make me look fat ???
The Neo – Nazi / skinhead do is typical “I’m an upstanding citizen” look, I must say.
Food for thought…..he’s 30 and has never paid a penny in property taxes, having never actually owned a home and look at how much damage he’s left in his wake, not to mention all the costs he causes……He singlehandedly destroyed a life, their family, his own family, the property values at TRTL, & I’m sure responsible adults are trading silver Honda Ridgelines in at an astounding pace. O’ Mara’s in shambles and the ice cream melted all over West…..He’s also caused an incredible chasm in any stillness in racial tensions and has inflamed this off the scale.
So…..Fogen can move in with Unitron, LetJusticePrevail (wait, that’s his dad) Jeralyn Merrit, Rene Stutzman, Cherry Pop Tarts and any other race baiting hate monger.
He, Taaffe, Oliver, OsterPhoole and the entire posse can live like kings and lie like rugs……………just stay the fuck away from us..
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This is the image I have of him AND how he spends his days:
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YUCK!!
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I see your animation, Xena, and I can’t stop laughing. Oh my…..I just can’t stop!
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He wallows everywhere he goes he wallows pigs got nothin’ on him, he wallows.
Hmmmmm I see a song in there somehow
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racerrodig, hey,
How about the song “I Follow Him”?
CHORUS
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Let’s change “sow’ll” to “GRUEL’ll “
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She says she did not pursue tubs for a relationship. Duh, she pursued him for reality show or maybe a book deal ala osterman. No one as pretty as she is would go after someone with the likes of tubby. He’s been either caught in the honey pot pool or they planned this together , how bout lets do a scam and maybe get a reality show out of it. Remember the parachutes boy?
Everything she reported is bs..she’s been talking to a reporter for 3 weeks! I would bet dumb and dumber are in this together. Personally, I feel a whole lot better for the public finding out that she’s been speaking with a reporter for 3 weeks embellishing tub’s suicide, depression stories.
I would lay odds he was right in there with her and maybe that the reason for the pools of sweat.
I am greatly relieved she is just a chick out for a pay check. Really, whew.
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2dogsonly, If SS and George Zimmerman were to jointly form this scheme to make money, it would mean that he has some how encouraged yet another woman to commit perjury. If this alleged altercation is false and SS has as reported given a sworn statement to the SO, she has a problem. I can’t make a guarantee that what has been reported is true, but quite frankly in seems that there is a lot of evidence to back her statement… Then again Zimmerman seems to have little problem in sacrificing women to achieve his wants/wishes, perhaps SS is just another little notch on his gun belt…
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Why did it not click in my brain before? My last line in the prior post simply gives proof that it was not a joint plot by George Zimmerman and SS! Does anyone really think he would have been willing to give up his Penis Extension? This may be a plot by SS to in some way make money off of him but I simply can’t believe he could be involved because like I said he would lose his guns… he is too much a coward to do that of his own choice…
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I have rethought whether tubs was involved and frankly I think he is too sedated from his drugs to see what is happening under his nose. If you look at the bail hearing you can see how drugged he is. Plus,I don’t think he has the courage to become involved in a scam this complicated. However, now that we know Taffe made his bail that begs the question, why would he throw away 900.00 away and where would he get this money. The scam may just be hetween Sam and her mother or Taffe may be a part of it but i think 1946 and other posters are correct in tubs not being a part.
For goodness sake, where is his sister that was so fond of him. Because he is a loaded “gun” and he, as we know, is very capable of explosive mayham and murder.
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2dogsonly, I read some where that his sister had picked up his truck and his dog. I think that it is possible that while Frank T. posted the bond, that some one else provided the money to do so. Laugh if you wish, it would not surprise me if it was his wife. With this bunch, nothing ever makes much sense.
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@2dogsonly.
Don’t know. I tend to disagree. Sam began to see the person who killed an unarmed kid. She saw him lose it at the house with Shellie and intentionally destroy property. She no doubt also knows the damage he made in Shellie’s mom’s house. If she was going to get away from George, she needed to make his violence public so if he killed her, the cops would know.
Remember what she told dispatch; “He knows how to play this game.” Sam didn’t come on that knowledge by one incident. George no doubt told her all of times he’d played the game and came out smelling like roses.
Also, she probably wanted the money because feeding and taking care of George has bankrupted her.
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From Sanford Watch
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I think Sanford Watch has hit the nail on the head with this & I am so ashamed to be White right now!
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@Marilyn C. Don’t you dare be ashamed, sister. I don’t know about you, but I don’t remember being asked where I wanted to be birthed, when, what gender, how I wanted to look, and what race I wanted to be when coming to this earth.
Each person is responsible for their own words and actions. That’s the problem with those holding White Supremacist ideology — they don’t believe there is good and bad in all races, all nations, all religions, all genders.
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Tell her !! I’m white and I had no choice in the matter and you know where I stand & what I’ve said. Don’t be ashamed, do more to promote better relations of those of all races that you don’t already know….it works for me.
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@racerrodig. You make my heart jump with joy.
There are blog administrators who visit here, although they may not comment. Their gravatars are under “likes” on various posts throughout this blog. They represent every race. WE are America.
The educated understand that “Black butterfly” is a real butterfly. I mean, I could have named the blog “Monarch Butterfly” but then haters would say I think I’m royalty. LOL! Butterflies teach us many lessons, from their days of crawling, to going through transformation, to flying free. Just think of the different perceptions they experience!!
Then too, there’s the song by Denise Williams. “Tell your sons and your daughters what the struggle brings.” She shared the story once about the little boy who actually crippled a butterfly by cutting the cocoon. The struggle gives us strength.
Yet, because of this blog’s name, haters think it’s racial. Those who are human butterflies however, understand and they know they are welcomed here.
Okay — getting off my soapbox.
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You don’t have to get off the soap box. I learn something here all the time.
I say thank you and don’t change……keep teaching, as it makes us all better.
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I’m also white and everyone also knows where I stand.
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I’m white as well, married to a black man, so I guess to some I am a race traitor
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Not to me…..it takes enormous strength to endure what I’m sure those race baiting hate mongers put you through. Hugs from my family to yours.
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And I applaud you and have been reading your posts here and elsewhere for some time now. Team Trayvon….stronger than ever !
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Shellie Zimmerman to be on Katie Couric’s tomorrow, Thursday. It airs on WESH-Channel 2 at 2 p.m.
Shellie will discuss serving George with divorce papers and says that she has “an important message for Trayvon Martin’s mother.”
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He has something to say to who ??? What could that be ??
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Classmates of Jordan Davis Remember Him.
“Classmates and teachers at Wolfson High School honored Jordan Davis Wednesday, the local teenager killed in a shooting over loud music at a Southside gas station.
Students in the music appreciation class, Jordan’s favorite class, turned up the music as a tribute to the 17-year-old. Ron Davis, Jordan’s father, spoke to students.
The tribute is to mark the anniversary of Jordan’s death last November. Jordan left school for Thanksgiving break one year ago, and never returned.”
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Classmates-remember-Jordan-Davis-with-loud-music/gUNuZmXAm0Gpoy3D33ildg.cspx
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Taaffe tells Piers Morgan that “boys will have their toys.” Piers tears into Frank.
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Xena, Because I do value you opinion(s), I must ask this, do you think Frank Taaffe actually believes the words he speaks about George Zimmerman? When he speaks of SS and her mother as being opportunistic, could he be following George’s lead and transposing his own actions upon them? Last question (ok, actually a two stage question), do you think that George Zimmerman’s get out of jail card has expired and will he finally be convicted and receive justice for his actions?
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After seeing him on the various HLN shows, I do believe he believes it. He sees conspiracies behind every person. On Nancy Grace he even said that the girlfriend was in cahoots with Shellie who was in cahoots with the big bad media and everyone is out to set poor George up.
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towerflower, Thank you for your opinion. You make an interesting and probably correct point in regards to conspiracy views on the part of FT. I was actually leaning toward his being involved primarily for financial gain, he seems to have started to rebound in that area since the murder of Trayvon Martin, and this latest episode should allow him to continue to reap the rewards of his “friendship” (?) with George Zimmerman.
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You mean he didn’t mention any of us being in cahoots ?? I’m stunned……God I feel so left out…….and after all the work we’ve collectively done.
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@crazy1946.
No, but I think that Taaffe follows the cultic method of sovereign citizens to brainwash George into believing that is what he believes of him.
Taaffe and Zimmerman appear to be birds of a feather in the blame game.
Hard to say, because when he is out of jail, he is into trouble. His life will be a vicious circle of being in and out of trouble with the law unless he is behind bars.
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Xena, Thank you for your reply. We agree on most points, but I am just a little confused in your answer to one of them.
“No, but I think that Taaffe follows the cultic method of sovereign citizens to brainwash George into believing that is what he believes of him.”
Does this mean you think that Taaffe in some ways contributed to the mental attitude that Zimmerman projects? Does Taaffe have some extreme control method over Zimmerman? I actually had never considered Frank Taaffe as any thing other than a leach riding on the coat tails of a newly created folk hero. Perhaps my view of him was totally incorrect?
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@crazy1946.
Taaffe is the fuel. He simply needed a match to light the fire. By appealing to Zimmerman’s thoughts “To Be King Again,” Zimmerman did what Taaffe didn’t have guts to do; i.e., harass Blacks in the Retreat at Twin Lakes, and patrol with a gun. For Taaffe, it was a means to violate the Fair Housing Act, but using a tenant rather than a homeowner or member of the HOA to do it.
It’s a method of appealing to what is already there and encouraging that behavior.
No, your view is not incorrect. Taaffe is a multi-layered failure.
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Xena, Thanks for your reply! Now I do understand what you were saying, and agree that it is probably the best description of Frank Taaffe’s and George Zimmerman’s relationship. Thanks again for taking your time to explain your thoughts to me, have a wonderful evening..
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@crazy1946. You too have a wonderful evening.
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More words of wisdom……
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Wisdom? Hmmmm…..
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An email to George Zimmerman from his lawyer. (A parody that had me ROFLOL)
http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/6cd7143baa/a-polite-email-from-george-zimmerman-s-lawyer
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@marilyn I am white also! All white people are not racists just as all AA people are not intelligent innocent victims. Did you see the 5 white neighbors who were interviewed? Not one sided with tubby. We are each individuals and can only make our little corner of our world safe, decent, and caring of one another.
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Oh, Xena LOVE your video. You are sadly, correct. If her name and race were not white may indeed be a different reaction from fox. But we will take what we can get. 😉
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Thanks Everybody….some times it just gets to me that things are the same as when I started fighting for all equal rights 50 yrs ago! Xena was so RIGHT when she switched the name & skin color,it made my blood boil! I wonder where those 5 women jurors are & how are they feeling about right now?
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MarilynC.
*hugs*
I hear you. I have such moments, too.
It IS sad and disappointing…..but remember, we are STRONG and CAN block racists efforts at every turn! Our voices, votes, marches, petitions, and teachings WILL have an effect if we continue to rise to the occasion.
Yes, Xena’s video does speak to us about how the hateful racists operate.
Every time we learn a detail of their methods, the more informed and effective we are against hate and racism.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/21/shellie-zimmerman_n_4316412.html
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Shellie Zimmerman says something snapped in George making him “like a monster.”
Uh, Shellie. Nothing snapped. He just kept the monster hidden from you as long as he could.
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In a word “Exactly” She may have “seen the light” but she was part and parcel to his aberrant behavior for several years. I’d only give her 1/4 of a pass.
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@racerrodig. Each time I start feeling good about Shellie, she comes in the media and defends her murdering, lying, soon-to-be ex-husband. She wants something from him in exchange for not totally exposing the truth. They are both emotional extortioners.
I honor her for admitting to her crime, but she is losing my respect for her otherwise.
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Hi Xena, Dr. Jeff G. (??) was on Politics Nation again today. He has her pegged. Her ego will not allow her to admit that she knew fogen was capable. She doesn’t own her role in hiding the truth about him. “Guilt”
She shifts the blame to “he” pulled me back in and it was the jury who acquitted him. Had she disclosed that they were not a couple and had a rocky marriage for over a year prior to 2/26/12, then the defense couldn’t paint fogen as the staypuff passive non violent kind of guy.
Of course we all knew there was trouble in paradise with them, just from the body language, jailhouse calls and her lack of appearance during his hearings.
She states she hopes there will be “no casualties”, uh; what the heck does she think Trayvon was?
I feel the same as you do regarding Shellie. She’s contradicting herself. Not long ago she told a reporter how the evidence was so mishandled and that had all of it been entered; we’d have a different verdict.
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@peni4yothots.
Thanks for the update. I caught today’s Politics Nation in passing (my phone rang). LOL!!
Guilt it right. George didn’t pull Shellie back in — the donations did. She saw what was happening and, IMO, would have not lied about the money unless she too had plans for the amount she had transferred into her own account and tucked away in the safety deposit box. It was her escape money. When the money was surrendered to O’Mara, she surrendered to George.
Shellie is trying to cover her shame. She’s ashamed of marrying a bum. He hasn’t made her angry enough yet. Just wait until the divorce. Once she experiences the real George Zimmerman again, she might sing a different tune.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/21/shellie-zimmerman-george-zimmerman-katie-couric/3668633/
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http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/11/19/2966281/zimmerman-domestic-violence/
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Good read, Yahtzee. Thanks for posting.
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You are very welcome, peni4yothots.
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