Maddy, Juror B29, Facing Eviction

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Maddy, Juror B29, in her interview with Inside Edition

In an interview with “Inside Edition,” Maddy, Juror B29 in the George Zimmerman trial, said that her life was ruined by the trial because she lost friends and a full-time nursing home job. She revealed that her family is close to being evicted from her four-bedroom home in Seminole County. As “Inside Edition” toured Maddy’s home, they found its practically empty, and captured the gas company delivering a disconnect notice.  Her family is facing eviction from their home.

Maddy, the only minority to serve on the all-women jury, says she and her husband have been forced to sell most of their possessions. “As we sold one thing, we paid one bill, another bill came,” she said.  Now, their four-bedroom home is practically empty.

Maddy regrets voting not guilty and says that George Zimmerman should be the one to blame for her problems because he killed Trayvon Martin and doesn’t believe that he did anything wrong.  “We all know who’s guilty,” she said.  Maddy said that she has received death threats that she would suffer the same hurt as Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin.

Maddy needs to understand that isn’t a threat.  Rather, due to her saying that there is no law to find Zimmerman guilty, she opened season on all males of color to be murdered without there being any law to prosecute the person who takes their life.

What has happened and is happening to Maddy follows the pattern of Zimmerman’s toxicity.  It’s not because she exposed herself as a juror, but because she was manipulated by other jurors, that she now suffers.  She cannot feel good about herself being manipulated by jurors who sentenced Zimmerman to lessons learned, rather than the facts and evidence presented to the jury.  Where are those jurors now when Maddy needs them?

Maddy, I’m so sorry that you were played and that now you and your family are suffering.

Her interview should air tonight on Inside Edition.

A clip from the interview is presented here:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-george-zimmerman-juror-trial-ruined-my-life-20131031,0,7091899.post

The article on Inside Edition is here:

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/7269-zimmerman-juror-says-serving-on-jury-ruined-her-life

Posted on 10/31/2013, in George and Shellie Zimmerman, Jurors B37/B29 and tagged , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 166 Comments.

  1. Wow, I would love to know how the other jurors have fared since the trial.

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    • @mindyme62. HEY!!!

      I would too. Since they had to take off work and were sequestered, I would think that their employer knew they were serving on the Zimmerman jury. (IIRC, one juror was retired.)

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  2. Jueseppi B.

    Reblogged this on The ObamaCrat™.

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    • Hey Jueseppi. Appreciate your support. I still need to finish reading what you posted about LaRouche.

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      • Jueseppi B.

        Is this chick serious saying she should have voted guilty? Really? Seriously?

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        • @Jueseppi. She is serious. Her first vote was second degree murder. Three originally voted not guilty, and two voted for manslaughter.

          So, Maddy asked Judge Nelson to clarify manslaughter. Judge Nelson said she needed a more specific question. Rather than the jury foreperson submitting a specific question, the jury took another vote. IIRC, it was Juror B37 who said that they said in the jury room, in silence, for 30 minutes waiting on Maddy to vote.

          On Rev. Sharpton’s program, Maddy said that the women talked about people they knew and one was the wife of an attorney (B37) so she thought they understood the law more than she did.

          Well, if people are required to understand the law before being called for jury duty, the juries should only be selected from those working in the legal profession. Maddy didn’t think. She played the role of the ignorant minority while 5 White women convinced her of that.

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  3. While I would like to feel sorry for this lady, I’m having a hard time doing so. Karma has struck her and she is now paying for her lack of strength and conviction… So she now is blaming George Zimmerman for her stroke of misfortune? I still can not understand how she could sit there and hear all the evidence and yet allow (?) the other jurors to mislead her on how to vote? You reap what you sow… Ok, I admit it, I do feel a little sorry for her, but it is the same that I would feel for any family that has fallen upon hard times…

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    • I’m with you crazy, but had she had strength and conviction, it would have ended up the same way. Everyone whose life is touched by GZ turns to shit. He is toxic. Totally toxic.

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      • Rachael, At best all we could have hoped for was a hung jury and a new trial… But that was not to be! So you are correct it would not have changed things in the long run..

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        • I think it might have even made things worse for her. It went the way it was fixed to go, she’d have been in the same position she is in now, regardless. She might have an easier time living with herself for having been true to herself, which one should always be, but as far as death threats and losing her job and her home, that would have happened to her no matter what by coming forward. I do blame her for that, for not going with what she believed. But the fact remains, everything, everyone that comes in contact with that POS…he is toxic. It will come back on him some day though, it HAS to.

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    • EXACTLY crazy! Karma is biting her in the butt, and I cannot feel much sympathy for her. She let a murderer loose, she made it possible for other morons to kill black males with permission from the “law”, and she is now getting her dose of karma, 3-fold.

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      • cielo62, I do feel for her children who suffer because of the actions of their parent. Should they be punished for the actions of their mother? I think not….

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        • That’s called unintended consequences and collateral damage. Karma works that way, making the suffering of the guilty heavier because THEY cause the harm to the innocents. That IS the way the world works; I see it every day at school. If I could, I’d remove 1/2 these kids from their parents. But it’s all part of the lesson. One that Maddy is learning the HARD way.

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    • @crazy1946.

      Ok, I admit it, I do feel a little sorry for her, but it is the same that I would feel for any family that has fallen upon hard times…

      I’m in the same place.

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  4. Every life GZ touches turns to fuck.

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  5. Yes, Xena, Maddy was “played.”

    In her mind George Zimmerman was guilty, but she submitted to the pressure that she faced during deliberation with her fellow jurors and ultimately voted “not guilty.”

    Her six children are now suffering for nothing that they have done and might now experience more suffering if they have to move into a homeless shelter. How this will affect
    them emotionally and mentally, we can only guess.

    I hurt for these children. For the sake of the children, I hope that the public will ease up on Maddy.

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    • Now, more importantly for the SAFETY of ALL African American youth, the DOJ absolutely needs to find George Zimmerman GUILTY of a hate crime and VIOLATING Trayvon’s civil rights.

      Let there be “NO MORE TRAYVONS” ……No more African American youth racially profiled, pursued and killed.

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      • Until the killing of Black men, Black mothers’ sons,
        Is as important
        As the killing of White men, White mothers’ sons,
        We who believe in freedom cannot rest.
        We who believe in freedom cannot rest until it comes.

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      • Yahtzee, I predict that if George Zimmerman is charged by the DOJ with a hate crime, he will not live to go to trial. He will be killed by someone from within his own camp. These racist’s will never allow their ideology to go on trial in a court of law with a fool like Zimmerman as the defendant… He may not realize it yet, but he is a dead man walking, awaiting his own death by the hands of his fellow racist… Karma will bring him down, and hopefully will take his kinsman with him….

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    • @Yahtzee. I watched Inside Edition tonight. My conclusion? Maddy thinks that she still lives in Chicago where she can lose a job as a CNA today and get another job tomorrow.

      Yes, she should get out of Florida like a bat out of hell.

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      • I agree 100% with you, Xena, she should get out of Florida.

        Why isn’t she able to make any RIGHT decisions?

        Where is her backbone?

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        • @Yahtzee.

          Where is her backbone?

          I’ve wondered the same, and after listening to her several times think that Maddy has no knowledge of southern culture. She is not aware of White Supremacy ideology.

          If not but for the grace of God …..

          I too believed that the law is the law and evidence is evidence and had not considered the “southern culture.” However, I have two friends, one an attorney, who told me that no jury in Florida would convict Zimmerman because the person he murdered was Black. I didn’t want to believe them. Everything within me that I know of the justice system said that this is 2013 and no jury would disregard evidence to acquit Zimmerman. Then came Juror B37’s literary agent’s statement that Zimmerman was found not guilty due to the manner in which he was arrested.

          It was Juror B37 who called peaceful protests “riots.” She, along with White Supremacists, believe that Zimmerman would not have been arrested if it wasn’t for Rev. Sharpton and other Blacks speaking up. Ultimately, Zimmerman’s purported supporters are angry that there are Blacks with the means and ability to get POSITIVE media and public attention.

          Rev. Sharpton has his own program on a major network. The haters think that is too much power for a Black man to have. They can barely write two sentences about Zimmerman without demeaning Rev. Sharpton. A White media commentator can say and has said the same things that Rev. Sharpton says, but the Trayvon haters don’t demean them.

          So, we had Juror B37 come to the jury already prejudiced that Zimmerman was arrested because of “riots.” We have O’Mara TELLING her during voir dire that she was to “advise” other jurors that if it didn’t come from the “witness stand,” that it couldn’t be considered.

          Think about that. What didn’t come from the witness stand? All of Zimmerman’s recorded and video taped statements; his Hannity interview; the clubhouse videos; his other NEN calls; and the demonstration setting forth that Zimmerman could not have reached his gun with Trayvon on top of him as Zimmerman described.

          After “advising” Maddy to disregard that evidence, Maddy was then convinced that the law is not written to convict. Maddy was played.

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          • Two sides to a story

            I think she was played too. She obviously has great regrets. I feel for her and her family despite her bad decision. She should have showed some backbone. She seemed to be out of her depth, and I agree, she needs to leave FL. It wasn’t a good idea for her to reveal her identity either. She’s just another victim of toxic GZ.

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        • Looks like her backbone went out with the kitchen table to me. Lets face it, she sold her soul to the devil on this one and new she’s in a real dark place. I’m betting nobody will get her a beg site like FogenPhoole had.

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  6. She needs to know they reached the correct verdict because Judge Corrupt refused to give them instructions on the 2nd part of SYG….where if you are the instigator, you do have a duty to retreat
    They asked for a clarification and Nelson spent 15 minutes crafting a no response response. In other words, jurors you need to ask a specific question. If they never received this part B of SYG, how would they know what to ask?

    This was brought up yesterday in the meeting before congress on the SYG law. That is why it was referred to as a ” perverse” verdict.

    Can’t she look into a complaint against the nursing home she worked for. It would receive Medicare and so she should be protected under title 6.

    Any capital offense trial causes tremendous heartache to the jurors. This is so sad and I do think she needs to move out of Sanford and rebuild her life.

    Every person he touches is left less than they were before meeting him.

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    • @2dogsonly. “perverse verdict” is absolutely correct! The jury asked to clarify manslaughter. Judge Nelson said to be more specific. Rather than the jury foreperson submitting a specific question, they took another vote. IIRC, the jurors sat in bullying silence for 30 minutes waiting for Maddy to vote. Maddy should have stood on her position and insisted that the foreperson submit a specific question. It was obvious that the foreperson didn’t submit a specific question because she was afraid it might convict Zimmerman.

      Effectively, by submitting a question and not submitting a more specific one, that jury told America that they entered the verdict without understanding manslaughter.

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    • Can’t she look into a complaint against the nursing home she worked for. It would receive Medicare and so she should be protected under title 6.

      Maddy had an attorney. From what I understand, he’s the same guy who was an assistant state’s attorney who let Zimmerman off in the case of assault against the undercover agent.

      Maddy doesn’t seem to know who she can, and cannot trust. Even if she were able to file a complaint, she would be sleeping under a bridge by the time it was decided.

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      • Florida is a “right to work” state, they don’t need a valid reason to let someone go. Funny I never understood that term “right to work” when it is really a “right to fire” meaning.

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        • @towerflower. Most companies will give a reason for termination in order to avoid allegations that violate employment law. If there’s a law that prevents terminating for serving on jury duty, Maddy might be able to raise that argument.

          Her problem, IMHO, is that she went on national television and said how upset she was; couldn’t sleep, etc. Now she says that when she called to report back to work that the company told her she might not be ready to return. IOWs, they might be able to use her own words against her and apply that to her mental ability to perform her job.

          Her benefit in not being given a reason is that it avoids an unfavorable job reference. What is not to her benefit is that potential employers will recognize her and might think, “Yeah. That’s the juror who has to have things read to her and makes decisions based on pressure rather than rules.”

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  7. I am crying now.

    This news centering on Maddy has put me back into the night of the verdict.

    My emotions are all over the place.

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    • @Yahtzee. I understand. Same here. That’s when we take lemons and make lemonade.

      Maddy is suffering due to her own lack of self-confidence. She said that she knows Zimmerman is guilty of murder. Maddy also said on Rev. Sharpton’s that she’s a person who loves God. Well, God teaches us to make “righteous judgments.” Listening to others persuade her that she didn’t understand the law is not standing in a place of “righteous judgment.” The verdict had nothing to do with how the law is written. Rather, it was how it was read to her. Maddy needs to have confidence in her own reading comprehension.

      She could have hung the jury. The State could have held another trial.

      I don’t like when people are duped and Maddy was duped. I’m happy that she came forth. Maddy gave us a glimpse of what happened in that jury room and it tells us that Zimmerman got away with murder.

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      • Right now, I am broken.

        I think I will go to bed.

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      • Xena, this page DOES require many emotions in order to address the issues raised by Maddy’s decision as a juror and its accompanying effect on those directly affected by her decision.

        Doing this in a short period of time, I found myself having left over emotions from one comment to having different emotions as I wrote on another issue.

        Thus, I experienced a powerful emotional concoction of COMPASSION for Maddy’s children and ANGER toward Maddy’s weakness, HURT for Sybrina and Tracy and EXASPERATION to the point of CONDEMNATION over Maddy’s betrayal of Trayvon, HEARTBREAK for African American youth all of whom are affected by the “not guilty” verdict and my STEAMED UP reinforced DEDICATION to standing up and DEMANDING justice and seeing to it that there will be “No More Trayvons.”

        Typically I do not have so many diverse emotions operating at such a high level within me at the same time. It did cause me to go into a temporary shutdown.

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        • And, then during this whole year and a half, this song has been playing in the back of my mind:

          I noticed above, Xena, that you wrote:

          If not but for the grace of God …..

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          • See, as I consider the song above and you “If not but for the grace of God…” comment,it is really not right of me to be so angry at Maddy’s weakness.

            But how can I NOT be angry when her weakness and lack of self confidence led to betrayal of Trayvon, and when the “not guilty” verdict basically gave a message of an okay to “vigilante-minded” people to stereotype, profile, pursue, and kill innocent African Americans??

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          • @Yahtzee .

            But how can I NOT be angry when her weakness and lack of self confidence led to betrayal of Trayvon, and when the “not guilty” verdict basically gave a message of an okay to “vigilante-minded” people to stereotype, profile, pursue, and kill innocent African Americans??

            It’s okay to be angry. For me, it’s somewhat balanced because she allowed us to see the results of her betrayal. To say it another way, I’m angry that she allowed herself to be manipulated, but seeing her pay the price reduces the anger. I don’t rejoice at her suffering because she is ultimately responsible for it.

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        • @Yahtzee. Having mixed emotions just goes to show that we are not bent on being angry and hating. We look for reasons not to hate, not to be angry, and find that there is justification to be angry while not being hateful.

          You have a beautiful heart.

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      • Two sides to a story

        “I’m happy that she came forth. Maddy gave us a glimpse of what happened in that jury room and it tells us that Zimmerman got away with murder.”

        I think she made a mistake in coming out to the public for her family’s sake, but if it makes a difference down the road to the justice system in FL and to other victims, then perhaps her actions won’t be in vain.

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      • roderick2012

        Xena: She could have hung the jury. The State could have held another trial

        Could have? yes

        Would have retried the case? Probably not.

        We’ve said it before the State had no intention of winning this case and State would have used the 5-1 hung jury as an excuse to have not refiled charges against Piglet.

        Also, I disagree with you about the Maddy showing her face. She should have been smart enough to have remained anonymous like the other jurors.

        I have no idea what her lawyer was thinking when he allowed her to go on national tv exposing her identity.

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        • @roderick2012. HEY!!

          I have no idea what her lawyer was thinking when he allowed her to go on national tv exposing her identity.

          It’s called showing the token to America to counter Juror B37’s bigotry and get the public to believe that race was not considered in the jury’s decision. Okay, so let’s take race out of the picture. Maddy still said Zimmerman is guilty. She also stated that women on the jury are better educated that her, and knew attorneys. Maddy stated that the law was read to her to say that she could not find Zimmerman guilty unless prosecutors proved that Zimmerman left his house with intent to kill.

          What Maddy did was reveal to America that she was duped by other jurors into voting not guilty.

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  8. Watched Maddy’s interview on Rev. Sharpton’s again. She knows Zimmerman is guilty of murder. How could she be convinced there is no law against murder?

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    • @Rachael. Posted that on another page yesterday. Just goes to show that Zimmerman relies on his gun to bully others. Wonder if he’s in a homeless shelter yet?

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      • I bet he suffers from “little man” syndrome and he has to compensate himself in another area—with a gun—to make himself feel big and important.

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      • They don’t allow guns in homeless shelters – oh wait, maybe they do in Florida.

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        • LOL@Rachael. Zimmerman could try the second amendment argument and say, “But I have a conceal carry license for this gun.” In which the reply will be the same as security gives in a courthouse, an airport, and some other places, “Sorry Charlie.”

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        • He’s probably trying to get that “Shelter Watch” started…..you know, because of all those suspicious people.

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  9. WOW Xena,I gotta say that I was blindsided with this post!! My emotions are all over the place! I do my best to be honest on my comments & I have to say that I am having a real problem giving her very much sympathy(which is out of character) & that scares the hell out of me! I remember her in voir dire thinking that if anyone had a hardship,it would be HER with that MANY kids with a baby,then I thought damn maybe she needs a vacation from taking care of patients & so many kids all the time.I couldn’t figure out even how she could afford to do it.When she did stay on I thought she would have a MAJOR motherly view for Trayvon.I have only seen a piece of Inside Edition b/c it doesn’t come on here till 1:00am. But I did hear her say something about HOLDING the GUN that KILLED Trayvon & had some kind of feeling.Well WHERE were these MOTHERLY instincts,Mama Bear mentality,(since she has so many) when these other so called women were in her face? Speaking of these others…..WHEN do we get their names released? I know in the Casey Anthony case,it was a 3 months cooling off period.WHY shouldn’t they have to deal with their part in this? I did see her on all her media rounds & especially on one of my favortie shows on every day at 5:00….my Rev Sharpton!! This white Grandma does not miss him….if family comes….I DVR him.I think Miss High & Mighty BIgmouth(B37)who wanted to write a damn book before she even got unpacked should go help Maddy.
    I think I am feeling like Yahtzee with my emotions.I probably should have slept on this & waited until tomorrow to comment.So I am sorry if I am not showing very much compasion tonight,but kinda wanted to get some of my feelings out.Please accept my saying I am sorry if I have made no sense tonight!

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    • @Marilyn C. HEY!!!

      First, you have nothing to apologize for. We are human beings and shouldn’t be surprised with having mixed emotions. Personally, I see Maddy as a multifaceted person, but not very educated and who placed trust in the knowledge of others whom she should not have trusted. She came to the media to express her sorrow and emotional turmoil with the verdict, not realizing that she told America that she was duped.

      Remember when she told Robin on Good Morning America that she didn’t need money? And remember during voir dire that she said her son worked and helped out? She gave the impression that her family would be financially staple if she served on the jury. She spoke out of pride. Pride goeth before a fall.

      I try getting into Maddy’s head by standing in her shoes. In the back of her mind, she must have known that she could not afford to be off work. She was the only minority on that jury. She is proud to be a CNA. That is her career accomplishment. In the jury room however, she was faced with women such as Juror B37 telling her that her husband is an attorney. That zapped Maddy down to being a “mere” CNA with a husband having a low paying maintenance job. That got Maddy to look up to the other jurors.

      And, if it is true what Juror B37 said about the law and instructions being confusing, then how does Maddy think now knowing that the law read to her was not understood properly by the reader and/or other jurors?

      Yes, she said that she held the gun that Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon. Maddy’s experience in that jury room was real and profound. Her first vote was second degree murder. Why? Because she heard the facts and the evidence and applied them to the law.

      That meant that one of the 3 who first voted not guilty had to convince 2 that manslaughter didn’t apply. After convincing them to change their vote, all that was then necessary was to gang up on Maddy and wait her out. They couldn’t change her mind about the evidence. They couldn’t change her mind about the facts. But, they could deprive her of getting an answer to her question regarding manslaughter and by using silence to bully, get her to agree with them.

      It’s my impression that had Maddy not been concerned about her job and family, that the jury would still be deliberating with her standing on her vote of 2nd degree murder.

      Maddy is not just living with the perverse verdict. She is also living with being ignored by the jury’s foreperson — made to feel belittled. She is also living with being duped.

      Now, Maddy needs to find out if there are any emergency services in that county, bury her pride, and apply.

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  10. Oh Honey Thank You so much for writing back to me!! My Ass is still up trying to figure this all out,going back watching her interviews on my DVR,reading,etc.You my Dear Friend make it so much better.I feel like you have just talked me through it just like when all this was going on.Thank you,maybe I will get to get some sleep after all b/c of YOU!I have the info,but you just have the special way of putting it all together.

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    • Marilyn C. Waiving to you….I am also a white grandmother. Welcome to my world. 😉
      Fl. Is right to work state which, tower flower is correct. It’s one of those laws that mean exactly the opposite of the title. But as, I hope , everyone knows Federal law trumps any state law so cannot be fired for discriminations cited in title 6, race, sex, age. Not sure if sexual orientation has been added to this list. My guess is she was too emotionally devastated to return to work and so she was terminated for health issues.

      She can easily find work as a CNA. I couldn’t understand how she could take off work as her employer wasn’t going to pay her. But as a CNA they are very low paid and work their butts off and nursing homes, home health agencies, hospitals are continually advertising for them.

      When she is able, she will find employment quickly but I think she didn’t know how guilty he was until after trial. Most of the public had no idea.

      The take away for John Q Public, us, is google “how to get off serving on a jury” like any smart person does. Remember that new citizen who felt like it was his duty to his new citizenship…so wanted to ” serve my country”. Came back next day,,and got off.

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    • @Marilyn C. My pleasure.

      This is hard. So hard. Ultimately, we know that Zimmerman was never in jeopardy of being found guilty. Trayvon did not get justice. It hurts knowing that 3 jurors acknowledged his guilt and in the end, the jury did not find him not guilty based on facts and evidence but rather, they blamed their verdict on being confused about the law and instructions.

      That logic is like getting 6 engineers in a room to determine if the design of a building meets proper standards and requirements, and when the building falls, blame it on not understanding the blueprints.

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  11. Xena, I watched the clip of Mz. Maddy with Rev. Al once more. I am going to attempt to say diplomatically what I have avoided doing over the last several days. This lady is not contrite, she is lawyered up and attempting to make over her image, the words you hear coming from her mouth are not hers, they are the words that she has been instructed to say by her lawyer. There is no genuine acceptance of responsibility on her part, too many “what are we going to do to prevent this from happening” in the future in her speech.. Think for a moment, she has a lawyer, this is not a place where she should need one, unless there is an agenda on the part of her lawyer. Do we see a book deal in the making? Should the title be “I Set A Killer Free”? We have all accepted that her employer terminated her because of the trial, but is that true? Will we see people show sympathy to her and donate money to help her thru this period of bad “luck” that she is having? Perhaps I am wrong, it won’t be the first time, and probably won’t be the last, however there is something out of place in this story and I just can’t put my finger on it (yet). My gut says there is a book deal and profit for this lady that has yet to be admitted to… will time prove me wrong?

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    • crazy1946,

      Perhaps I am wrong

      I think you have been very logical in your assessment. I can find nothing to lead me to disagree with you.

      Here we have a person with no backbone who went to find backbone in the form of a lawyer who could navigate her through the maze of her failure in an attempt at securing personal redemption.

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    • crazy i agree! she’s manipulative or at least trying to be. maybe she’s sorry now bc she’s not the sanford celeb she hoped she’d be? no invites to the sanford country club? and i think your right, this is a set up to clean up her image but she’s coming across as just another dumb victim of zimmerman’s manipulation. but there’s no room for her in that club bc it’s full to capacity with millions of innocent young black males who were too scared to go trick or treating w/o their parents last night! i saw it!!

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    • @crazy1946.

      There is no genuine acceptance of responsibility on her part, too many “what are we going to do to prevent this from happening” in the future in her speech..

      I agree with you. What makes Maddy’s her speech so insincere is that because based on her other interview, she conveys that there is no law against committing murder, PERIOD.

      Well, I’ve been saying that sovereign citizens will use whomever they can to promote their agenda, and this situation with Maddy certainly takes that pattern.

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  12. . The twitter world will stop that, before the ink dried on the lawyer’s wife, her agent was warned and quickly withdrew their offer. I mean like on the twitter at 10:00AM “BREAKING NEWS!!! Juror signs book deal” followed by 10:05AM book deal cancelled!! by twitter genius finding out name of her agent and warning them what would happen if they signed her. I exaggerate by how fast the twitter geniuses uncovered her agent but it was lickaty split fast.

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    • @2dogsonly.

      I exaggerate by how fast the twitter geniuses uncovered her agent but it was lickaty split fast.

      Faster than Juror B37 arranged for that book deal after the verdict. 🙂

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  13. So sorry, my above post is concerning if Maddy is contemplating a book deal. 😉

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    • 2dogsonly, I think you are comparing oranges to apples on this one! The reason that Mz. Maddy’s attorney is leading this story in this way is to garner sympathy for this lady which will negate any twitter campaign before it even starts. The reason the campaign was successful is that they portrayed that juror as only being on the jury for the purpose of a book deal, that is not the case here and won’t attract so much negative response from either side at this point…

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      • twitter is again expressed ZERO sympathy for Maddy.
        And every pathetic interview she does makes her look even worse!

        what bothers me in particular considering she’s a mom of 8 where does she mention her empathy for the trauma Trayvon went through? Why doesn’t she talk about how horrible & brutal his murder was? or how he was treated after death in court? She even heard his last screams on tape! How does she disregard THAT during her deliberations? who in their right mind would not feel contempt for the killer who tried to steal his victims last screams for help?
        She doesn’t even discuss Trayvon as the kid who was stalked and murdered, but continues to focus on GZ & herself!

        she had the nerve to say she’s suffered as much as Trayvon’s mom in her 1st interview but has she apologized for such an idiotic comparison!
        if she’s actually receiving threats, they aren’t literal, they’re to remind her what she said about her feeling as bad as Sybrina bc it’s only a matter of time something happens to one of hers and no one will stick up for hers!

        Never will i feel bad for her. As a Juror she did not do her duty. She was too busy having a vacation to take this murder trial seriously. maybe she was too busy trying to fit in with the hateful ignorant bitches to consider the enormous impact a not guilty verdict would have on the country. and that she was so lucky to have had an opportunity to do something really real in her life, something that most people would’ve begged for the chance! what a waste she was to waste her opportunity!

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    • @2dogsonly. Maddy should consider a book deal, but for it to be successful, she needs to put all the mumbo-jumbo about the law aside and expose how she was disregarded when asking for clarification on manslaughter.

      There’s also a chance that Maddy might know how Taaffe knew what was happening in the jury room.

      I get the feeling that Maddy only did media interviews because it was suggested to her that as the only minority on the jury, that her views would convince the public of Zimmerman’s innocence. The woman was used, abused, and is now suffering.

      It might have been different had Juror B37 not opened her mouth and exposed herself as a racial bigot. For Maddy to come after Juror B37 and say that Zimmerman is guilty, and that the law was read to her to say that intent had to be proven, well, that spoke volumes.

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      • Two sides to a story

        I would love to have been a fly on that jury room wall. I wouldn’t be surprised if B37 blatantly lied and manipulated Maddy. The other jurors seem to want to keep their distance from both B37 and Maddy.

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        • @Two sides. I would have liked for you to have been a fly on the wall in the jury room too.

          Juror B37 came out because she thought she had a book deal. Maddy was used to come out as the token minority to support the verdict, who actually didn’t support the verdict. IMHO, the lawyer with her has said absolutely nothing in Maddy’s defense for that reason.

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  14. She should tell the truth about what really went on during jury deliberations. Otherwise it sounds like a ploy for donations to me. After all it worked for Zimmerman. Karma’s a bitch.

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    • @Sharon. Welcome to Blackbutterfly7.

      Yes, Maddy needs to honestly and completely reveal what happened in the jury room, and also during their socialization during sequestration.

      I don’t know if financial donations can help her at this point. For her utilities to be shut off would mean that they are at least 3 months behind. Same for the rent. That is a lot of money needed with no guarantee that it will continue. If anything, she should look for donations to get her and her family the heck out of Florida.

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      • Xena~ Is it legal to reveal what happened in a jury room after the trial? I don’t know why, but I thought you couldn’t discuss it afterwards…

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        • @cielo62. There have been jurors who have discussed how they reached the verdict. In the Dooley case, it was an interview by a juror that revealed they decided based on the “initial aggressor” section of the law. They disregarded Dooley being attacked thereafter.

          Christi O’Connor, who interviewed Shellie and is writing a book, would be ideal to reach out to Maddy for the inside scoop, IMHO.

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  15. Right now Maddy is making excuses for herself. She knows she was wrong to let Trayvon down by not sticking to her originally “guilty” decision. As long as she makes excuses she will not grow. Her lack of self confidence and courage of convictions are what caused her to submit to the pressure of the other jurors.

    It is my hope that some day she will stop making excuses and develop self confidence.

    I am sure all of us with self confidence and the courage of our convictions have had events in our lives that have reinforced these qualities and strengthened us. We all grow through our struggles.

    Heck, I became a strong and formidable debater this last year and a half because of one special night when my Trayvon team at NBC Newsvine stayed with me one night from 9:30 pm to 11:30 pm in June 2012 guiding me through my debate with a Zimmie.

    Just look at the guidance they gave me. These are their comments to me that night:

    MrP says:

    Don’t give up like this so easy.

    Yahtc? You there? You are missing your step in the process -now you must debunk what he said. Carefully examine the alternate, and tell him what’s wrong with his scenario, rendering it less likely than yours.

    Rhama says:

    ……….”How is that for a beginning everyone?”[Yahtc]

    Excellent, I was wondering if you were going there. I hoped you would.

    MrP says:
    Please, engage him. His scenario has a million holes in it. You had the ability to debunk such stuff before. What’s happened?
    Please, show him what’s wrong with his scenario.

    MrP says:
    You must attack the holes in his scenario. Do not worry about your own. Debunk his. Show him the holes in his. His is entirely too intellectualized to be common sensible.
    Use your common sense. Do not get intellectual. This is not the theory of relativity here. A common murder. What about his story defies common sense? Find it please.

    MrP says:
    Great job regaining your composure, Yahtc!!!!!!!! Great rebound!!!
    Stick with your mother wit!!!!!!

    MrP says:
    Tell him again. He did not answer!!!!!!
    Stay on what is wrong with his story!!!!!

    Rhama says:
    Never let anyone play a game with you, you have great instincts, some people are master manipulators and will try to make you doubt yourself and your instincts to make themselves look good even if it’s only in here.

    Nine days after that night, I went back to Rhama with this:

    Yahtc says:
    I treated him with kid gloves yesterday.

    But, by doing that, I realize now, I allowed him to be a successful manipulator. And here you, awhile ago, had guided me not to let anyone manipulate me when I am trying to defend my viewpoint.

    Oh, Rhama, do you think I will ever learn?? (tears falling)

    Rhama says:

    ………..”Oh Rhama, do you think I will ever learn???”[yahtc]

    Yes, you will learn, you are learning now.

    I used to be on a thread three years ago, those people were brutal, these guy’s are light weights compared to them, they were so bad they were shut down. I learned to handle them with a long handle spoon, but always got my point across. If something is important to you, you will keep at it.

    A lot of these people are professionals, paid blogers and trolls. You can tell them because they want to shut you down, they are particularly mean. They are the ones who stalk. I learned to size them up and anticipate what they were going to say and word things (facts) so there is no defense for them.

    Another thing when they show their hand and want to shut you up, never give them the edge again, never be overly nice to them or ask them any questions. I saw you do that a couple of times, they are not nice so don’t give any edge at all. Say what you want to say, when they come back, you come back with facts.

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  16. Hi Guys!! Well last night when I was on here chatting,I thought I had reached a point on this mental roller coaster ride that I have with Maddy.Well after getting my things done around the house,I decided to go on You Tube & watch Maddy’s (Ms B29) Voir Dire!! BIG MISTAKE for ME! She is a LIAR!!! I don’t even know where to begin.She WANTED on this jury!When Don West was asking about the money problems with that many kids,etc.Her answer was, she worked because she WANTED to not because she HAD to!! So…how did they get this broke this quick? When ask about talking about the case with her FRIENDS,she didn;t have any b/c she had only been in Florida for 4 months from Chicago…all these friends that she is claiming to have lost now? Now I am back being PISSED! I don’t want to be pissed.She has been shady to me since day 1 & watching this tonight reminded me WHY!.Do any of you recall any jurors bringing lawyers to interviews after a verdict ? Because I do not.See Xena….here I go again all over the map,I can’t even type my thoughts! I would LOVE it if someone else would watch her Voir dire on you tube(Xena,u know i dont know how to post stuff,so HELP)its only about 30 minutes,Then Yall can say Marilyn,take a chill pill,you are screwed up in your thinking,etc.That would be GREAT! I love reading every word of all of you.Most of the time I just want to respond to each one saying”Me Too”!!

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    • @Marilyn C. I understand about the “me too.” Often, I have nothing to add because the comments are right-on!

      Think of her voir dire as interviewing for a job because it’s my impression that is how Maddy saw it. She said what she thought would impress and get her the job. Just goes to show her lack of experience and understanding of jury duty.

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  17. I think if I was this juror.. I would have held out. If she was so convicted inside herself that Zimmerman was guilty, I would have made it a hung jury. It is obvious something was going on for it not to go as smoothly as it should have. If Zimmerman really thought he was innocent, then he should have taken the stand. True, he has a right not to, but in the world of Criminal Justice I would think he would want to prove it to the whole world, no?

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    • Hi Brian,

      Thanks for your comment.

      The sad reality is that human nature factors into our justice system and can affect if justice is really served.

      Because of Maddy’s weakness and lack of self-confidence, she folded and went along with the other jurors in her final vote. This is what has me so angry.

      But, I have to let you know, it is not a righteous anger. I do have empathy for her because growing up, I did not have self-confidence socially.

      It was only because of the help I received in 1990 for a temporary depression I experienced that year that I am who I am today (now age 63). My self-esteem and self-confidence has been healthy and strong for the last 22+ years.

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  18. Good morning every one! I hope that all are well this morning? I have started recently to shut my computer off relatively early in the evening in an effort to allow myself time to reflect on the happenings of the day, not only in my personal life, but in the world generally… I often go back in the morning and read over the words of my fellow mankind on blogs which I attempt to participate in with comments. This article was heavy on my mind last evening, for a reason that, at the time, I did not fully understand. There were a few comments that really struck me as disconnected from the reality of the world we live in. For example, it was suggested that Maddy should simply leave Florida and return to Chicago, that on the surface sounds like a reasonable suggestion, but if you think for a moment, it would be a difficult if not impossible thing for her to do. Let’s look at that idea for a moment, it is approx. 1150 miles from Sanford, Fl. to Chicago, Il., if the family has an auto that would make the trip, the cost of gas would be about $300, then you would need to consider that for the average family it would be a two day trip, so overnight lodging would be necessary adding about $125 more, then we would have food expense (kids seem to need to eat for some reason) that would add about $100 (fast food?) there would be other little unexpected expenses as well! Ok, now we have spent $525+ just getting to her suggested destination, and they are now in Chicago, at the start of winter (brrr?), the kids will need coats, they will need a roof over their heads, plus something that I suppose none of you ever thought of, they will need the utilities turned on for light and heat, whoops, that won’t happen until they pay the utility bills in Florida! The point that I am trying to make, is this, while sometimes we make a suggestion that sounds good on the surface, when you get down to the logistics of the suggestion, it simply won’t work as we thought. If Maddy and her family had the money to move back to Chicago, they would not need to! What needs to happen is for her to get away from that lawyer that has her pegged as a way to make money from a book deal, get a new job, talk to her creditors and work out a payment plan she can live with and go back to living a some what normal life away from the micro imaging of the blog world… Will that happen?

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    • crazy1946,

      Good post!

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      • Yahtzee, Thank you! Perhaps when I grow up, if ever, I will be able to compose a post that is a little more coherent and relevant, until then I will continue to struggle…. If only I had the talent for writing that you and Xena and others that frequent this blog have…

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        • Ho, ho….ya know you are completely wrong in your assessment of your ability.

          Why, just think about the new angle you are taking with the Kendrick Johnson case. I never would have thought to check that out.

          And, your understanding of the politics and legal “goings on” in the gz case have been helpful to me as have Xena’s.

          By the way, I usually only can write well when my heart is bursting to say something.

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  19. Zimmerman didn’t take the stand because he knows it would have not turned out well if he had. The fact he didn’t tells me he wasn’t being truthful about what occured that night. Had he been truthful and beleived he was innocent he would have placed his hand on the bible, sworn to tell the truth to god and the people, without any hesitation or worry. Not that he was required to, but had I been a jurior with any question in my mind weather he was guilty,
    the fact that he didn’t take the stand, would have erased any question.

    The defense made a big deal to convey the message that if it they didn’t hear it on the witness stand, it shouldn’t be considered. When the victim is not alive to portray his side the story, then we are left with only the word of the defendant. When there is evidence that contradicts parts of his story, than it would reasonable to conclude he lied, and a person only lies to hide the truth. Where there is no evidence, such as who started the altercation, it is left to the jury to decide. If the jury looked at the story from beginning to end, he should have been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I wasn’t on the jury, only they can justify their own verdict, It is clear at least one jurior has doubts about her verdict, Too late now.

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    • I so agree with everything you have written, dreamer.

      Why, oh why, did prosecution not give the jury a long written chart of all of gz’s lies and contradictions among all the police interviews and video reenactment tapes??

      Why did they not get into the surveillance tapes contradicting gz??

      Why did they not discuss the time elements of the NEN call against gz’s statements of his location after he was told by the dispatcher that they did not need gz to follow Trayvon??

      Why did they not insist that gz would have had to be pulling Trayvon’s sweatshirt DOWN when he shot Trayvon?? The button UNDAMAGED by the bullet along with the perpendicular bullet entry are clear indications that he was grabbing and pulling down Trayvon’s sweatshirt.

      Why did they not say that the blood on the back of gz’s head would have had to be smeared IF gz had been on the bottom??

      Why did they not point out that the gz’s blood-trickle lines went from the the wound on the back of his head to his chin indicating that he was on top??

      I could go on and on.

      All of this SHOULD have been on a chart for the members of the jury to take to the deliberation room.

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      • They sounded better AFTER the trial in this video.

        Why didn’t they make these points CLEARLY to the jury and then give the jury a comprehensive, detailed chart of these points with the evidence.

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        • thanks @yahtzee for posting this vid. until now i have been too distracted & depressed by my anger, disappointment & distrust for BDLR& Corey to be able listen to any of the post trial comments! i still cant get over my personal feelings of betrayal i feel towards them. but i cant imagine what Tracy& Sybrina must think!!! I just hope they didn’t trust them as much as many of us did, so hopefully they weren’t as let down by the prosecutors like they were by everyone else who they counted on to do the right things.

          i’m gonna watch it in a minute.

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    • dreamer/Yahtzee, To provide an answer to the questions you both have asked, will require you to ask your selves a few questions. Why did the state eventually decide to hold a trial, and was it a trial to seek justice for a black child? Might I suggest a few answers? The trial was forced upon the political leaders of the state of Florida by a very vocal group of individuals directly affected by the death of this child, it never was intended serve the need for justice, only to placate the, to borrow a term from our racist neighbors, “stupid people of Sanford”. I think many of us were (and some still are) blinded by our faith in our justice system in this country. Can anyone honestly tell me that this trial was about justice? Was there ever any intent, on the part of the political powers to convict this man for killing one of the “stupid people”? Until we as a nation step back and look at occurrences like this with open eyes and demand equal justice for all citizens we will see no change! Will that ever happen? I question that we as a nation really want it bad enough to stand up against tyranny that might disrupt our own little apple cart….

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      • Yes, crazy1946, the public outcry and the petition with 2.3 million signature did not allow the killing of Trayvon Martin to be swept under the rug.

        I remember a comment of Angela Corey right after the verdict….something like, “We gave the public what they wanted which was to charge George Zimmerman and put him on trial.” I wish I could find that clip.

        I hope that all decent citizens will continue pressing for and DEMANDING equal justice in our country.

        I pray for change.

        It’s been a long, a long time coming
        But I know a change gonna come, oh yes it will

        We have to BELIEVE and keep pushing.

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        • Yahtzee,

          “I hope that all decent citizens will continue pressing for and DEMANDING equal justice in our country.”

          Back in the 1950’s when the last surge toward racial equality, this nation lived in a much simpler time, we received our news from the papers and radio, as television was still simply a novelty to many people. People actually communicated more on a face to face fashion, and while in many ways people were just as self centered, it was more difficult to ignore the plight of your neighbor. In todays age of instant news, instant opinion posing as news and communication between people primarily done by the use of phone devices, we are in many ways disconnected from our friends and neighbors. Think about it for a moment, has it been many years ago that for us to be having this discussion it would require that we be close enough to reach out and touch one another? IMO because of that disconnect it will be more or less impossible for change to come about in a viable manner. We hear on a daily basis people calling for change, yet how many of them are willing to step to the plate and work to make that change happen? Look around us at the participation in these blogs, how many people actually post comments, and of those that do, how many suggest ways to make a difference? Change will require a huge number of people willing to make sacrifice’s that will affect them not only financially but physically as well. Do you honestly see that happening in todays modern society? If you are in a crowd of 100 (ok, small crowd) and you ask for volunteers to help on a project that will require even the minimum amount of sacrifice, how many do you think will step forward freely? Now think for a moment how many people will have to be willing to give all (perhaps even their own life) to make a positive change in the lives of their fellow citizen? I hope that this message is not read to mean that I hold no hope for the future, but instead will make people stop and consider what role they might play in making changes come about….. Only “WE” can make the change happen, it won’t be “them” it won’t be “they” that bring about positive change, only those of us who truly want our neighbors to share in the liberty that this great nation offers!

          Xena, please forgive me for drifting so far off topic, but this has weighed heavily upon me for a while and I feel it needed to be said…

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          • https://www.google.com/search?q=trayvon+martin+100+cities+rally&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=knx1UtHHJLDgsAT_oYCYBA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ

            There is so much that we can do other than just being on internet.

            I went with my sign to the federal building closest to us on the day of the 100 cities rally; I discuss white privilege every chance I get with individuals; I’ve had a lady and her daughter that I met at the rally to my house twice to go through my civil rights memorabilia to be displayed at her local African American cultural center; I gave her 70 Trayvon Martin buttons which she has used with the youth at her NAACP group in order to increase their awareness by starting a civil rights button collection; I picked out 50 of the best picture books from my African American children’s book collection of 150 books and ordered duplicates for her to donate and start a library at the cultural center.

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          • Here are excerpts from a card she recently sent me:

            I felt that I completed a course in the Civil Rights struggle as a result of seeing your numerous exhibits and listening to your vast knowledge on the subject. The buttons will be wonderful as give-aways at the NAACP youth organizational meeting the Sunday before Halloween.

            I hope that you will be able to share some of your vast knowledge with the Youth Council sometime in 2014.

            I am looking into donating the children’s books to the African American Cultural Center, and also having a display of some of your exhibits at the Center.

            Again, thank you for a wonderful time, and hope to see you again soon. I would especially like for you and your husband to attend our Kwanza celebration.

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          • I know the Moral Mondays demonstrations are going strong led the great leadership of William Barber, president of the NC NAACP.

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          • Fusion Politics:

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          • I highly recommend this speech video!

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          • crazy1946,

            Each one of us can determine which abilities we possess that can be used to bring about change.

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          • Yahtzee, There is no doubt that you and some of the others that work so hard to bring about change, will stand and be counted amongst those who stand up against the forces that keep people in virtual slavery! However if you look around at the drop in participation in even the blogs that we jointly participate in you will, I am sure, notice that there has been a huge drop in posters. Perhaps it is me that fails to have enough faith in my fellow man to not only talk the talk, but walk the walk as well! Time will tell, right? Thanks for having the patience to read my rambling post….

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          • @crazy1946.

            However if you look around at the drop in participation in even the blogs that we jointly participate in you will, I am sure, notice that there has been a huge drop in posters.

            It might appear that way, but some have taken the cause to Twitter. Since the verdict, some others have opened their own blogs or are doing videos, and still others have taken up other causes such as supporting President Obama and ACA; advocating for justice for Kendrick Johnson; etc.

            As a blog administrator, I can say that the number of comments posted on a blog does not represent the number of visitors. My thanks goes out to all lurkers and followers. There are days when this blog has 1,000 or more visitors.

            I guess what I’m trying to say is do not be discouraged by what appears to be a drop in participation by looking at the number of participants.

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          • Xena, Thank you for giving me a reality check, I suppose that with all the backward steps that we as a nation have suffered over the last several years I have started to become a bit discouraged! I will try to put my positive attitude back into gear and get back on track….

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          • @crazy1946. You’re so right about the nation suffering over the last several years. 2008 was a wake-up call for me. Many people I had known for years suddenly transformed from being human into being monsters.

            The positive attitude is knowing that every one of your comments is important. You mean something. You are somebody. You are significant.

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      • To tell you the truth, I never realized how politics affected the judicial system until 911. That was an eye opener to me. About that time came the 401k scandels, where CEO’s were allowed to settle for pennys on the dollar in exchange for not pleading guilty. My faith in the judicial system was gone at that point. From then on it became clear to me that it wasn’t about justice, rather who ass you could wipe. When you have to barter to have a bill passed, such as we’ll agree with that, if our wives can fly free, it’s not based on what is right for the country, more of what they are getting out of it.

        No it does not surprise me one bit that this went to trial for other reasons. Someone needs the votes at election time, and what better reason the have citizens believe you are doing it because you agree with them. They will tell you whatever you want to hear, in exchange for your vote. They will donate, buy and lie.

        To top it off with a cherry, when a juror as Xena says, aquits on lessons learned, and the jurior on the Anthony trial aquits because it wasn’t clear how she was killed, (the prosecution does not have to prove that in murder 1), throw you hands up in the air.

        It is impossible for the the prosecution to prove every element of a crime, when the victim has no voice. With the evidence they had, and the fact George lied, it was enough that a reasonable person to conclude he was guilty. An innocent person has no reason to lie. I do not agree with the belief a liar does not prove they are a murderer.

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        • @dreamer. Remember the Peterson trial in the Illinois State court? Then before that in the federal court was Gov. Blago’s trial, the first being hung and the second being a conviction? Well, I have a theory. When the populace has been victimized by corruption and a failed judicial system, the jury selected from that populace are more likely to really pay attention at trial and reach a conviction based on facts and the law.

          That pretty much describes the State of Illinois. It’s almost impossible to be in a group of 10 people without there being at least one who has not experienced a bad cop and/or politician or know of someone else who has.

          Civil trials are different, but the face of juries is changing. That’s because each year, bad cops, judges or attorneys, add additional people to those victimized by an unjust judicial system. In other words, it’s not that faces change in the sense of racial and/or gender make-up, but rather, the face of victimization.

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  20. I don’t agree that the correct verdict was reached based on just the law.
    besides the initial aggressor rule; there’s “reasonable” fear. the reasonableness of anyone in the same situation, not gz in particular.
    And of course there’s the most important element to a SD claim- credibility.

    The jury was supposed to believe GZ’s fear was reasonable in the belief that an unarmed 17yr was going to kill him. the kid who had done nothing wrong, had already been followed by a creep in a car and then again chased by foot after he had run away. You have to believe the same kid would instead turn around and decide to murder a grown man 50lbs larger with his bare hands.
    that’s not what a reasonable person would think. especially someone who had knowingly chased a kid down and caught him knowing he was trained in MMA, SD techniques and armed with a loaded gun, that person would not have a reasonable fear of being killed by the kid.
    No one reasonable would believe that logically or even mistakenly in the confusion of the excitement- like if they momentarily forgot about a particular MMA move etc..or as GZ said he forgot he was armed! bullshit! because that’s not logical. GZ was trained& armed and all that made him far superior to TM’s ability physically or emotionally and GZ KNEW IT!

    The jury was also aware of plenty of proven lies GZ told in his different statements & Hannity. Those lies are more than enough for a jury to question GZ’s credibility! They could’ve disregard GZ’s story all together and relied solely on the objective evidence!
    or they could’ve believed only what he said that could be backed up w.either physical or circumstantial evidence.

    a perfect example of this is the prosecution showed GZ’s injuries were not consistent w. headbanging like GZ said.. If the killer lied about something so paramount to his defense, something that MUST be TRUE for all the other elements to line up, and because that’s what he’s using to justify his actions, then what is his real justification?

    And when the only material witness is the only one left standing, that person’s credibility must be beyond reproach in order to just believe it.
    everything he says..esp.when it’s so completely self-serving should be vetted by the fact finders with a critical mind. i mean look at his story!!
    it’s like TM did every single thing just perfectly wrong and GZ did everything just perfectly right to be the poster boy for the perfect SD killing!

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  21. Everyone — remember to turn your clocks back one hour tonight.

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  22. Hi Shannoninmiami…..I have read your comments all around the blog world & they are ALWAYS things that make me want to say”Me Too”!! Its always what is in my head & heart.You are always hitting the nail on the head for me.Maybe we should just get that me too button! I seem to forever be trying to make some kind of damn sense out of nonsense! To this day I am still dumb fuzzeled about “Not Guilty”.Even with all the corruption & Corey’s Team doing NOTHING.I just don’t see HOW these women made this disaster of a decision! Keep posting cause you are taking the words right out of my mouth that I’ve been sayin for so long.Xena is probably sick of hearing it from me!! Just kiddin…..Luv ya Xena

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  23. EMPLOYER OFFERS MADDY A JOB AND SETS UP A DONATION WEBSITE.

    Orlando Sentinel reports that Doug Kaplan, managing partner at Gravis Marketing, has offered Maddy a job. Gravis Marketing is a political polling outbound call center, located in Winter Springs.

    Kaplan also setup a donation website for Maddy. As of the writing of this comment, it has collect $625 and has a goal of $10,000. The website states:
    “Maddy made an unpopular decision, she followed the law .”

    Following the law that was read to Maddy is not the same as applying the facts and evidence to that law. According to Maddy, she said that the law that was read to her required Zimmerman to have “intent.” What was read to her therefore, required that facts and evidence be disregarded and rendered 2nd degree murder and manslaughter moot.

    Maddy still has to face the fact that by her vote and reasoning, her brown sons can be profiled, followed, and murdered, the murderer can claim self-defense, (whether or not her sons tried defending themselves against the stalker), and there will be no justice for her sons.

    The donation website also states:
    “It does not matter what you think of Zimmerman, this is about a Brave mom doing a courageous thing and service on the jury doing her civic duty.”

    Maddy believes that Zimmerman is guilty, and she failed to do the courageous thing and service on the jury by standing on her guilty verdict. That’s not bravery, IMHO. If we really think about it, it is no different than White Supremacists claiming that Zimmerman’s arrest was due to pressure from the Black community. Maddy’s vote of not-guilty was due to pressure of 5 White women who convinced her that she could not comprehend the law.

    http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-the-brave-juror-from-the-george-zimmerman-case

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-george-zimmerman-juror-employer-wants-to-help-20131102,0,3472407.post

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  24. Addendum. Doug Kaplan donated $575 of the current $625. Besides Doug, there are two other donors. One donated $25 which defaults to the “undisclosed” amount being $25.

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  25. Xena, I just did a quick google search on Doug Kaplan and Gravis Marketing, because I suspected which political party they would be affiliated with. What I found was not a real surprise. While I don’t normally like to use the Daily Kos as a link, this one is pretty easy reading and perhaps will explain why they have jumped in to “help” Maddy….

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/15/1144688/-Gravis-Marketing-Exposed-AND-Eviscerated

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    • HA!!! Why am I not surprised?

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      • Xena, I wonder if Maddy realizes she is now officially the token minority for that political group…. Just when you think things can get no stranger along comes something like this…. Now the GOP/TP is going to use the Zimmerman case for political purposes…

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        • @crazy1946.

          Xena, I wonder if Maddy realizes she is now officially the token minority for that political group….

          Probably not, like she didn’t know that doing the interviews was being used as a token either. She said what she was suppose to say during those interviews about the law being confusing, but also said what she believes — Zimmerman is guilty.

          Did she ever stop to think why none of the other jurors were going on camera without hiding their identity and why with an attorney by her side, he would allow her to? Token.

          Maddy doesn’t understand “southern culture” but should now realize that those manipulating her to reach the not guilty verdict don’t give a damn about her and her family.

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          • Xena, I’m going to ask a question that on the surface might sound ridiculous, but here goes. Is there any possibility that we have miss identified who all was planted on the jury to ensure that a conviction was not reached? Something about this lady’s story is starting to stink….

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          • @crazy1946.

            Is there any possibility that we have miss identified who all was planted on the jury to ensure that a conviction was not reached? Something about this lady’s story is starting to stink….

            After JurorB37 reared her bigotry, I re-watched voir dire videos until I got to her void dire. She revealed absolutely too much personal information. That’s how O’Mara identified her as his stealth and gave her instructions on what she was to do in the jury room. I wrote about it here:
            http://3chicspolitico.com/2013/07/23/juror-b37-mark-omara-and-jury-tampering/

            Maddy was voir dired before Juror B37, and so was E40. It was interesting that with E40, who no doubt met the same physical description as Juror B37, that O’Mara also fished in the same manner as he did Juror B37. However, E40 did not give him the answer he wanted, therefore he ruled her out as his stealth, not giving her instructions on what she was to do in the jury room.

            So, I did not continue watching the rest of what we now know became the jury.

            Were there other stealths? Maybe, but I doubt it. My reason for saying that is because the jury was small — just 6 with 2 alternatives. All that takes is convincing 4 before deliberation. An outgoing stealth juror whose husband is an attorney would not take much to get on the good side of other jurors while they were sequestered.

            Based on her AC360 interview, Juror B37 is now recognized for using code words to get a message across without being straight-forward. I suspect that she did that a lot during sequestration, resulting in convincing 4 other jurors to vote not guilty. One of them however, was an alternative who did not go into deliberation. That made it even going in — 3 to 3.

            Also as we see from that interview, she did not convince the 2 wanting manslaughter that George was not guilty. Rather, she took the passive-aggressive role of being so smart, yet so stupid, that none of them could understand the law and jury instructions.

            The jury foreperson was under Juror B37’s cultic influence. She deprived Maddy from getting an answer to her question to clarify manslaughter.

            Juror B37 believes George Zimmerman is guilty, but murdered out of “frustration” (not self-defense), and she sentenced him to lessons learned. Maddy believes George is guilty, but that there is no law against committing murder unless prosecutors prove intent.

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          • Two sides to a story

            Very frustrating that there were no jury instructions for whatever the FL equivalent is for involuntary manslaughter. In most states you can kill someone on the spur of the moment as GZ did, not intending to from the outset (yet we know he had a jones for that keltek and chasing black men), yet still be culpable for the killing. I still don’t fully understand why there were only two choices to convict – or was that part of the state’s plan to not convict? And I watched every minute of the voir dire and trial. The negotiations between the prosecution and defense about the charges was bizarre, to say the least.

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          • @Two sides. I did not take interest in this case until after Zimmerman was arrested. It was then that I researched Florida law for SYG and Florida’s pattern jury instructions. The pattern jury instructions automatically include lesser offenses.

            Zimmerman fired a gun in a residential area where he knew people were present. He said that he did not know if he actually shot Trayvon. Yet, he did nothing to remove himself from Trayvon’s presence, neither check to see where the bullet went. That’s aggravated assault, the same offense in which the State charged Marissa Alexander and Giles. I was surprised when the State did not include that as a lesser offense.

            There is nothing wrong with the PATTERN jury instructions. It’s those written by West and O’Mara that circumvented Florida law. I hold Judge Nelson responsible for allowing that and rushing the hearing, not wanting to spend the time necessary because of having a sequestered jury.

            Yes, the negotiations between the prosecution and defense about the charges and jury instructions were bizarre. They were bizarre because they are not the Judicial Conference and are not suppose to re-write jury instructions to litigate their positions, which is what West and O’Mara did.

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          • Thank you for helping me with all of these legal points, Xena.

            There is so much that I would be missing without your teaching narrative.

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          • @Yahtzee. You give me too much credit. All I do is point out what I see and/or hear. I too am a student like yourself. You have taught me a lot. (hugs)

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  26. And what about her husband….is he deppending on her income?..these women have men just to provide them with sex…hey I’m not saying that a man is not supposed to be unemployed at anytime but why did she not mention her husband financial contribution and why he can’t provide help at the moment?….

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    • @change. Maddy’s husband has a job in maintenance. On the Inside Edition interview, it was said that his job is “low paying.”

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      • And that’s another thing that burns my buns; people with low paying jobs having 8 kids! I consider that as very irresponsible! Forget the costs of that many mouths to feed. Consider the inability to be able to really care for each one, be active in their education and lives. Two morons without enough sense to use birth control, expecting others to help pay for all those parasites. Ugh.

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        • @cielo62. Maddy has 6, not 8 kids, and IIRC, she said the oldest was 20. She is from Chicago and there are Roman Catholics there who do not believe in birth control. However, I don’t know if she is Roman Catholic or not. Just seems that in this day, it is odd for people to have those many children unless they are Mormon or Roman Catholic adhering to the doctrines of their church.

          When people are unemployed or underemployed, it is difficult for them to survive even when they are childless. Just look at George and Shellie who have no children and could not pay their bills on George’s income.

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          • And if they are Mormon or Roman Catholic adhering to the doctrines of their church, then perhaps they should be a responsible adult and adher to the doctine “Just say no.” Cross the legs or take a cold shower, it’s as simple as that.

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          • LOL@dreamer.

            Cross the legs or take a cold shower, it’s as simple as that.

            I attended an all-girl high school and we had birth control pills — round pieces cut from red sponges with instructions, “Press between knees and hold tightly.” 🙂

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        • @cielo62. I might owe you an apology. As I watched the Inside Edition vid again, the reporter said “6 children.” IIRC, Maddy has 2 older sons, one being 20. It was apparent that the 20 yr old was not in that vid. So, I’m sorry. It does look like she has 8 kids.

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        • Well, I was born a coal miner’s daughter
          In a cabin on a hill in Butcher Holler.
          We were poor but we had love.
          That’s the one thing that daddy made sure of.
          He shoveled coal to make a poor man’s dollar.

          My daddy worked all night in the Van Leer coal mine
          And all day long in the field a’ hoeing corn.
          Momma rocked the babies at night and read the Bible by the coal oil light.
          And everything would start all over come break of morn’.

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          • People back then didn’t have birth control. Today to willfully bring a child into stupefying poverty is child abuse, plain and simple.

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          • I believe that neither I nor the government should be involved in the family-planning decisions of an individual.

            I am willing to pay higher taxes to help out families in need.

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          • Yahtzee- it’s not a matter of money. It’s a matter of quality parenting. Humans are animals like any other mammal. People should be taught about the consequences of unlimited breeding. I truly feel those “Save the Children” campaigns are just pure evil. Misguided no doubt. But evil in reality. Theses people get fed just enough to create ANOTHER generation of stunted, malnourished brain damaged off spring. How is this compassionate or kind? No school future training, schooling or way to earn a livelihood in a drought ravaged area. Mother Nature would have forced these people to move, adapt or die. Instead these campaigns prolong their misery where they can’t adapt, move or die. Just suffer. And suffer. And make money for the people who run these campaigns. Same way here. People supply too many barriers to consequences. People should not be having litters of children like a feral cat. Like I said, I see neglected kids every day. Parents scrambling with too many mouths to feed, while kids run wild, don’t care about school and end up teen parents. It sucks.

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          • The best discussions are those in which every participant’s viewpoint on a topic is represented.

            I want to thank all of you sharing your ideas!

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          • Yahtzee- that’s because you are a kind person. I know I sound cruel. But child neglect makes me nuts. Too many people are pro birth and not pro- life. And I see the results every day.

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          • You are a good person, cielo, who wants the best for the children you teach and the families of the world. You speak from your heart which I admire.

            You are forthright in expressing what bothers you.

            In fact, I will share one thing that bothers me tremendously:

            I am upset when I hear a religious leader or politician who is against birth control…..even wants birth control pills inaccessible……and yet offers no financial support to help a mother through a healthy pregnancy and to help a mother with child support once the child is born.

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  27. Here is a very good article about the jury instructions.

    What You May Not Know About the Zimmerman Verdict: The Evolution of a Jury Instruction

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alafair-burke/george-zimmerman-jury-instructions_b_3596685.html

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    • @dreamer. Wow! Thanks for the link. That’s a very good article. Number 2 is very relevant to dispute the argument that Zimmerman did not use SYG as a defense. The jury was instructed:

      “2) If Zimmerman “was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed [as above].”

      I also remember O’Mara telling the jury during closing argument that the law does not require that Zimmerman have any injuries. By the jury receiving instructions that included SYG, and those instructions were written by defense attorneys, they certainly DID use SYG in Zimmerman’s defense and NOT general self-defense.

      Thanks again for the link to the article.

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  28. So in regards to the murder 2 I agree with the article and why it was so important the initial agressor portion be left out. Remember the chart that was brought out by O’mara, how he made it a point, one by one to point out, if there is reasonable doubt, you must aquit. The ploy was they wanted the jury to believe, and they did, was if you question even one aspect that the state has not proven beyond a resonable doubt, you must aquit. By leaving the initial agressor out and only recieving instruction on SYG, anything that happened up until he was shot does not pertain.

    Thats why it was so important to the states case, “Use your common sense.” In circumstancial cases, where the victim cannot testify, no witnesses in this case saw who initiated the fight, look at the whole picture, There is no Dna, blood, bruises on Trayvons knuckles, mma fighting, other whitness statements, the NEN call with these asshole always get away, and fucking whatever, use your common sense. If they used their own common sense and did not believe it ocurred the way George said, they would find him guilty.

    At that point there was nothing pretty much left to look at and use their common sense. The judge errored, you don’t pick and paste what part you want the jury instructed on. Thats what the trial is for, to let the jury decide, use there own judgment, common sense. I think she errored not allowing racial profiling in as well. Why? Because she didn’t think race was proved. I don’t believe she should decide that, I know I’m not the only one who thinks it was. Why have a trial, she could have have decided it herself, and it looks as though she did.

    The question of the day is……In a murder trial, where there is no body, and no wittnesses……
    How is it they are found guilty?

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    • @dreamer.

      The question of the day is……In a murder trial, where there is no body, and no wittnesses……
      How is it they are found guilty?

      Prosecutors connect the dots while using circumstantial evidence. Last year, there was a NC trial that aired live on HLN. Two people had disappeared; a woman and child. Their bodies were not found. No murder weapon was found. There were no witnesses. Although the murderer tried cleaning up the apartment, investigators used luminol and said that the room lit up like a Christmas tree. The man had stolen the car of the woman who had disappeared. He tried getting into Canada at one point. It was a bench trial. He was found guilty.

      The more I have watched Martinez in Arizona in the Arias trial, the more I wish that he had been the prosecutor in Zimmerman’s trial.

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  29. @Xena

    I agree. I don’t believe the prosacututors gave it their all. Where was the ballistics expert,
    what about the timeline. Why did they not bring back whitnesses whose stories changed up. They should have wnt into more of Georges conflicting stories. What about the officer who said, we’ve got got the body, the casing, ect. Did they go far enough with collecting evidence at the crime scene. Serino’s testimony reall y bothered me, and so did Lauer. Maybe it’s just me, but I kept waiting for the “big one” to come. Why did the prosacution seem satisfied with the fn punks, when clearly thats not what it was. The opening statement really drew me in, and I felt after that almost the feeling as if they gave up.

    This is the second trial I have watched where they jury has aquitted, because they felt the prosacutors did not prove each and every point beyond a reasonable doubt. They felt it was not their job to connect the dots. It is their job to connect the dots, and take everything into consideration. They are not going to get all the answers, but they do get look at the whole picture and draw their own conclusion. Why are they not clear on that aspect.

    I think the best that if all the whys or what ifs had occured is a hung trial, and perhaps the next trial, the juriors would have decided diffterent. I believe that at least one jurior felt sorry for “The boy of color, but felt frustrated George learned his lesson, and would have stuck like chuck with her vote. I have a feeling we will see more when the names have been released.

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    • @dreamer.

      Maybe it’s just me, but I kept waiting for the “big one” to come.

      It’s not just you. I was the same. When the State failed to put on a rebuttal case, I was floored.

      Overall, I still don’t think it would have made any difference with Juror B37 on the jury. Jesus Christ could have been called as a witness and testified of Zimmerman’s guilt, and she still would have said (like her now former literary agent reported), that Zimmerman was not guilty “due to the manner in which he was arrested.”

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  30. Xena, With the formation of this latest of the “Zimmerman” style beg sites, I am curious to know what effect beg sites have on the minds of the reader? I realize that in all reality that none of those sites are/should be considered blogs, but we seem to be seeing a rising wave of blogs that now are asking for money, where in the not too distant past, most amateur bloggers did not seek to make money from offering their opinions. Do beg sites, in general, ( in your opinion) in some ways denigrate the legitimacy of the site? I am wondering how Doug Kaplin intends to utilize that beg site for a positive result for his business…. While I have no real problem with offering help for Maddy, or at least something that would help her children, I can’t help to wonder if this plan will ultimately backfire not only hurting Kaplin but Maddy as well…. My question is not simple, and I realize that, but asking for money via the internet has begun to be found in so many places, I wonder if it has now become socially acceptable to, figuratively speaking, stand on the internet corner with a tin cup?

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    • @crazy1946. You are truly a thinking person. Such good questions that stir the mind.

      My question is not simple, and I realize that, but asking for money via the internet has begun to be found in so many places, I wonder if it has now become socially acceptable to, figuratively speaking, stand on the internet corner with a tin cup?

      I am finding is that there is no marketing strategy and that lack leads to distrust. Ever see the commercials for some charities and they say along the lines of “Your donation of $18 a month will ….” It tells donors how much is needed from them to accomplish a goal.

      On the beg-site for Maddy, it says the goal is $10,000, but it doesn’t say for what. Would that meet or go beyond her needs? If it goes beyond her needs, then people are giving money to her when she doesn’t need it. If it doesn’t meet her needs, then she will need more money again. It would be better had the guy put, “Maddy needs (x amount of dollars) to pay her back and current rent and gas bill.”

      Can you imagine an individual applying for a grant, without providing the amount they need?

      There are people who will donate if they believe that their donation really makes a difference. For instance, if someone needs help with rent and their rent is say, $1,000, they should say that. Five donors may be able to get together and come up with that $1,000. The next month, five other donors can take the pressure off the previous five by getting together to cover the rent.

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      • Xena, Thanks for your reply, it seems that we were probably on about the same wave length about this subject, as it pertains to Maddy. I have not yet (by intent) gone to her beg site, I figure that it will be just another “advertising cookie” attached that I will have to dig out of my system… Curious, did they indicate that this was a tax deductible donation? I would say, if they worded the plea correctly and offered accountability for the funds received, it probably would be. I wonder how many of the George Zimmerman large donors will attempt to deduct their donations from their tax liability? I followed MOM and his use of the funds for computers, office space, and remodeling of his office wondering if he realized that that use could very well be construed as income by the IRS, any bets as to whether he is audited because of that? Oh well, just some random thoughts that are of no real importance in the scheme of life… Have a wonderful afternoon… Be sure to grab your umbrella when you go out….

        PS: Here is a little something for you to read (you don’t need the knowledge, as you already operate well within the correct realm), and consider for an article of general interest in the future… Pretty interesting reading if one has an open mind!

        http://writingcenter.unc.edu/handouts/fallacies/

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        • @crazy1946. Let me tell you. I went to that link and scanned over it. You are WAY ahead of me. That is a study. 🙂

          No, the beg-site for Maddy does not say it’s tax deductible. The donations go to the man who setup the site who said he will give the money to Inside Edition to give to Maddy.

          As far as O’Mara’s use of money donated to Zimmerman that he spent upgrading his office, it’s an asset to his business. He no doubt can offset it with depreciation of other office equipment and furniture.

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          • Xena, I will admit that the information on the site is rather difficult in some ways to absorb, perhaps more because of the formatting of the study than the content, it really should be required reading for anyone wishing to truly debate a subject in a fair and balanced manner. Just the breakdown of various schemes used to argue rather than debate a subject should be of interest to most open minded people! The art of debate, I fear has become much like the dinosaurs, and Is only found in those people who have nearly reached the age of extinction… I know it is difficult to read, but you are already well versed in most of the subject matter and will be able to actually cover it much faster than average. I think, you as a “Blog Master” would be well qualified to educate your audience on the art of discussion and debate. To do so would better equip your core audience to deal with the “Sundance cracker” type’s that any controversial topic attracts. I would say more, but I would have to put another nickel in the pay phone to do so…

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      • Hmmm… I wonder if I could set up a beg site? God knows I have outstanding bills, a dead car, a good heart and 20 kids!

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        • cielo62, Darn girl, you almost had me on the hook for a donation, until I got to the 20 kid part! With 20 kids, you should receive more from the state in aid each month than I make with my SS, but I’m just too lazy to set up a beg site… Hmmm, can I borrow about 10 of your kids long enough for me to sign up for state assistance? Whoa, never mind, if I tried that, the kids would probably destroy the last two brain cells I have left… Think I’ll just stay poor and remain a hermit…. AKA a recluse as some have called me…

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          • Crazy- LOL!’ Well, those kids aren’t technically mine. I have 20 students this year,and I do purchase supplies for them. And I call them “my kids” each and every year.

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        • cielo,

          Do you have room for 1 more? LOL. If you have any outstanding utlility bills, check with your electric company, they will pay them for you one time a year, or at least in
          Calif they will, if you qualify. 20 kIds, I think you will quilify, 21 kids no question about it. Let me know, he’s really cute, and he will even do a rain dance for you. We’d have to figure out how to unglue him from grandpa thou, they’re best buds. He started pre-school last week, and that has been a real experience, everything from, Hey don’t you want to go see the kids….Nope… to….you got to go feed the fish, they’re waiting for you…..Nope…. LOL

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        • LOL@cielo62. Sure you can setup a beg site. If George Zimmerman can beg for money in exchange for his signature, you should be able to get a couple of bucks by promising a thank you card signed by 20 children. 🙂

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  31. @crazy1946.

    The art of debate, I fear has become much like the dinosaurs, and Is only found in those people who have nearly reached the age of extinction…

    As it concerns the internet, the art of debate went the way of the dinosaur with AOHell.

    The comments posted here demonstrate to visitors the art of discussion and debate. Words cannot express how much I appreciate the respect and knowledge expressed by those posting here.

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    • Xena, I participate in some tech blogs and trust me, they can make the hair stand up on your arms at times. I never cease to be amazed at the faction that is brain washed into thinking any particular “brand” of electronic is the absolute best for all things! They can be more vocal and biases in support of that manufacturer than you find on the political blogs… You don’t find much debate there, but you can read some rather amusing arguments occasionally, normally involving something actually quite simple and relatively unimportant in the overall picture… You’re correct the art of debate has all but left the internet, and is to be found in very few instances….

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      • @crazy1946.

        You’re correct the art of debate has all but left the internet, and is to be found in very few instances….

        When I started off in 1995 with Compuserve, most people used their real names in the forums, or at least names that were real names. We understood that our words represented us. We paid handsomely to use that service. There was limited time and if you went over, there were additional costs. There was no cyber-bullying, no viruses, no spam, no scams.

        When AOHell came along with their $19.99 unlimited time and allowed handles, it opened up the internet to every nut across America, 24/7. I was a Section Leader in 3 Compuserve forums. We received free online time when monitoring our sections, but it was too frustrating dealing with the AOHellers. They were not there to discuss nor debate, but simply to attack. I wasn’t the only Section Leader to resign.

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        • Yahtzee. Someone recently called those people pro-BIRTH instead of Pro-LIFE. Aint that the truth!

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          • Yep.

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          • roderick2012

            I call them pro-birth because they don’t care about the baby after it exits the birth canal.

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          • Yes, and that is why I said this above which cielo here is responding to:

            I am upset when I hear a religious leader or politician who is against birth control…..even wants birth control pills inaccessible……and yet offers no financial support to help a mother through a healthy pregnancy and to help a mother with child support once the child is born.

            (cielo’s reply was misplaced down here.)

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  32. @crazy,

    Those “Sundance Cracker” types aren’t worth your time and energy, cause you know thery’re always right. You’ll either end up with high blood pressure, or need a little something stronger than asprin. Then again, alittle visit now and then does do the soul good, makes you realize there’s no place like home.

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