Adam Pollock Saved George Zimmerman’s Life
George Zimmerman told Adam Pollock that he helped save his life.
Adam Pollock, the 43-year-old owner of Kokopelli’s Gym in Longwood, Fla. where Zimmerman trained in grappling and boxing, was arrested March 11, 2013 and awaits trial on charges of battery and assault. His next hearing is scheduled for September 17, 2013 at 9 a.m.
Adam Pollock and George Zimmerman have several things in common.
1. Pollock lied to the police, and only admitted to seeing the victim, Tina Mangiardi, after police told they obtained surveillance footage of him following her out of the gym that day. Pollock also denied touching Mangiardi until police told him that one reason he was being arrested is because of marks on Mangiardi’s arm.
2. Pollock claims that he might have slapped the victim and put his hand on her neck, but it was in self-defense.
Also like George Zimmerman, since his arrest, Pollock appears clean-shaven.
BEFORE AND AFTER
Adam Pollock’s March 11, 2013 Mugshot
Adam Pollock in court in July 2013.
George Zimmerman, Feb. 26, 2012
George Zimmerman in court, April 20, 2012
Since the verdict in the George Zimmerman case, Pollock appeared on the Dr. Drew program on HLN. He revealed that his testimony describing Zimmerman as “soft” was actually hearsay, stated by another trainer. How is it possible for a man to describe another man as “soft” unless they have had physical contact with each other?
The Department of Justice might do well to interview that trainer, in addition to others attending Kokopelli’s Gym when Zimmerman attended. He just might have gotten the reputation for being “soft” the Friday or Saturday before the Sunday that he killed Trayvon Martin.
In the following video, Pollock tells the Dr. Drew panel that George Zimmerman thanked him for saving his life, and accredited that to Pollock teaching him how to “shrimp.” It shows that if Zimmerman was able to “shrimp,” that Trayvon could not have punched him about his head and face. According to George Zimmerman, “shrimping” saved his life. Since shrimping saved Zimmerman’s life, killing Trayvon Martin did not.
Posted on 08/23/2013, in Department of Justice, Evidence, George and Shellie Zimmerman, Justice For Trayvon, Trayvon Martin and tagged Adam Pollock, Dr. Drew, George Zimmerman, John Guy, justice for Trayvon, Koppelli's gym, shrimping, Trayvon Martin, trial. Bookmark the permalink. 93 Comments.
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Superb….ABSOLUTELY superb, Xena!
I cannot begin to imagine the time and careful thought you have put into your article and video!
You patiently examined the testimony and TV interview of Adam Pollock as well as George Zimmerman’s statements in order to select just the right clips to prove your point. You have hit a home run! a grand slam!
George Zimmerman has no idea how he will always be viewed! He has no idea how the evidence (which was never carefully examined during jury deliberation) will always follow him. He will always be PURSUED by that evidence!
I pray that the DOJ will answer their high MORAL calling and use all of that evidence to go after George Zimmerman.
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Good morning Yahtzee!! Hopefully, Pollock is on the DOJ’s radar. His diet program only seemed to work for Zimmerman while he was attending Kokopelli’s Gym. One would think that Pollock was preparing and serving GZ the meals.
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@Xena, I can’t for the life of me understand, why just about every damn witness called to testify, in that sham of a trial, lied for this murdering “PIECE OF SHIT,” who they know was “GUILTY! ”
Also, why did the prosecution do what they did, and by that I mean, why did they themselves help him get away with killing this child? I, like a lot of other people saw how BDLR was himself being “SOFT” during his his questioning of some witsesses but, I never said anything because I wanted to give him the benefit of doubt, thinking he would do better.
It is now my honest opinion, that the prosecution was very much a part of this despicable farce. For some reason, they “NEVER” intended to convict him. By them not selecting an ALL WHITE JURY, that alone speaks for itself. After bearing witness to this travisty of injustice and, how some whites in this country have and continue to show their “RACIST HATRED,” against a deceased innocent child is more than one can bear.
These people who have supported and who have continued to support this lying murdering and, IMO “THIEF” THE REAL U.S.A and how some of her citizens are looked down on as well as being mistreated.I’m speaking of the ones, “WHO NEVER ASKED TO COME HERE! ”
Hopefully The DOJ will do the right thing, and prosecute this chimp FOGEN for his crime.
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@ladystclaire. Good morning!
If we believe what Juror B37’s literary agent said, along with Junior’s diatribes, it was because they disagreed with the way Zimmerman was charged. It’s their opinion that Zimmerman was charged because of protests rather than based on Corey’s investigation.
The prosecution’s only relevant fault was not putting on a rebuttal case. IMHO, that was because Judge Nelson read them and the defense the riot act about having a sequestered jury. She was not going to recess and wait for the State’s rebuttal witnesses to be available.
When we look at O’Mara’s voir dire of juror B37, and discern how he identified her as the stealth juror and gave her instructions, then it made no difference how the prosecution performed.
When the jury has a question to clarify manslaughter, and the judge instructs them to come up with a more specific question, and the jury foreperson doesn’t do that but instead, someone reads the law to Maddy juror B29, and convinces her that there is no law for murder unless there’s intent to kill, then it wasn’t the lack of the prosecution’s performance that decided the case.
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BTW, WHO WAS THE PROSECUTION, HELPING TO PROTECT, THAT THEY WERE WILLING IN A SENSE TO THROW AN INNOCENT CHILD UNDER THE BUS?
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@ladystclaire. I understand disappointment with the verdict, but when Juror B37 opened her mouth, followed by Juror B29, they told us that their decision was not based on evidence. Two reporters who were in the courtroom each day of trial said that Juror B37 was “disinterested.” During closing argument, she didn’t even take notes.
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@Xena, I am so very disappointed to the point that, I leave some things in my comments left out that I really want to say. it seems that they are going to get away with the money laundering that they were doing as well. WE THE PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DESCENT, ARE NOT LOOKED AT AND, JUDGE BY THE SAME LAWS OF THOSE WHO ARE WHITE.
THERE IS NO WAY, THAT THIS POS SHOULD BE WALKING AROUND OR EVEN HIDING AS A FREE PERSON. I still think that farce should be investigated.
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@ladystclaire.
The first money was asked for under false precepts, but unless those who donated file complaints then there is nothing authorities can do about it. They did act according to their jurisdiction in charging ShelLIE with perjury because she intentionally misrepresented material facts to mislead the court into granting a low bond.
That’s what America’s history tells us, as well as laws that are disregarded to not “serve and protect” Blacks. That is why the struggle continues.
When you really look at it, Zimmerman might not be behind bars, but he is neither free.
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You’re right Xena,
I’m pissed that we haven’t gotten over the fact, here in America that the African Descent doesn’t get the same. It’s appalling! I have had my hopes up for so many years that then get let down. I can only imagine how the Blacks must feel here in this country when you see the ultimate racism still, you wonder is IT really ever going to change.
I’m still not going to give up.
We talked about this a couple of weeks ago. WHY IS IT??
They are angry at the Blacks for what reason??? I don’t get it and never will.
Excuse me, but I think we have tooooo many pompus assholes.
IMO, every one that is a racist is just that and worse. They love to hate.
Sad, very sad!
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@Lolypop. It’s White Supremacy and it’s many branches now, including sovereign citizenship. It’s economic. Europeans came to America and used slaves to make money. Money became the root of all sorts of evil. Since the Civil War, White Supremacists have found ways of either depriving Blacks of decent income, and/or destroying what they build. Think of Little Africa in Oklahoma City, or Rosewood in Florida.
That went on for years afterwards through slum lords who torched their own property and collected the insurance rather than comply with housing laws and conditions.
Tuition in institutes of higher learning was not increased because of costs. It was increased in order to deprive certain groups of people from being able to obtain a college education. That group also includes women. Now, the cost of tuition affects everyone.
Just goes to prove that in a country, depriving any citizen of equal and civil rights has a trickle down effect that eventually harms those who it was not intended to harm.
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Themselves. Their political careers, etc. They really don’t care whether they sacrifice the 17-year-old black high school student or the 29-year-old grifter. They simply need a majority of voters, etc – whatever it takes to swing things their way.
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Another excellent post Xena. I hope the DOJ is following your blog, they may learn a few things!
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@kindheart101. Thanks! The DOJ has departments that surf the internet so there’s a chance they might see this blog. Then again, they may not. (shrug) They do have an email address available for people wanting to send them info that might help their investigation. Maybe I’ll do that.
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Another great post!!!!
Zena, perhaps you can help me with this. I am Soulcatcher on Fredericks Law Blog. A while back I posted on this blog. I tried to register as Soulcatcher, but for some reason it reconized me as dreamer. Yes I use dreamer at other sites as Soulcatcher is already being used. I can’t remember a prior post her or a time that I regestered as dreamer, but perhaps sometime I did and don’t recall. I am dreamer and it didn’t require a password, so no problem, I posted. Last night I tried to register at 3chics website. I used Soulcatcher but it says I am already registered, the pasword I think is correct doesn’t work, so I change to dreamer and the same password I think is correct doesn’t fly either. So I then try with my email address to get a new password, and it states I will shortly recieve an e-mail, I don’t. Any thoughts? Thanx.
And thanks for all your hard dedicated work you do. You are one smart cookie, and I admire your passion and writing skills. You mirror my thoughts so many times and post the thoughts I at times struggle with.
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@dreamer. If you’re using a WP account to sign in here, you should be able to go over to 3Chics and post without having to sign-in again but it will be under the same handle that you use here. It shouldn’t ask that you sign-in again and the reply box should default to your info.
So, the next time you reply here, look to see what defaults in the box for the info you have registered. That will include the email address you use.
If you’re not signing in through a word press account, then I’m lost. Here’s a link that might help.
http://en.support.wordpress.com/passwords/
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Thanks Zena, it worked. Stupid me, now I understand how it works. At sometime I must have used a wordpress account under dreamer, and when I posted here it defaulted as dreamer. ding, ding, ding….
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@dreamer. Glad you got things worked out. I only comment on Word Press blogs so never have to be concerned with different sign-in’s and/or registrations. I don’t get around much. LOL!!
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@Zena, I don’t either. Sometimes when I want a good laugh at how ignorant people are , I post on OS under Cash4Trash. (user name refers to people who donate to the Z fund.) Either that or they have people planted there to test me to see if I have anger issues. LOL
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@dreamer. Back in April 2012 just after Zimmerman’s arrest, I posted comments on a couple of Yahoo articles. It didn’t take long to realize that people were not interested in commenting about the subject of the article or the case but rather, denigrating Blacks, Trayvon, Rev. Sharpton, attorney Crump. Zidiots turned everything into race.
That’s also when I realized that people didn’t support George Zimmerman the person, but supported killing Black youths. The comments were so racially derogatory and mean-spirited that even now if I read an article on Yahoo news, I do not scroll down to read comments. They are intended to inflame and as you say, provoke anger.
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Hi Xena,
Did you see the looks on West’s face when Guy said Zimmerman didn’t shoot Trayvon
because he needed to, zimmerman and mark look VERY guilty, they ALL knew that Guy was right. I will always believe GZ ran into something. Just 3 weeks ago I ran into the sharp corner of a wall, it knocked me to the ground. I asked the permedics if my nose was broken
and they said that they couldn’t tell without a MRI. They checked and yes I had broken my nose, BUT the next day and now 3 weeks later you can tell the swelling has gone done, NOT the next day.
IF his head was mashed up and down on the concrete and he had been hit in the face like HE say’s he was, he would have still been swollen for days. There are to many things that can go wrong with a broken nose. They even xrayed my neck. That scared the hell out of me, I said NO, I don’t believe my neck is broken, but they told me that YOU ccould have a broken neck and not know it. I was very surprised about that one.
I will always believe that George hit his head on something and that he was sneaking up on Trayvon and GEORGE already had his gun out and ready to kill Trayvon. You think about a man that has a gun, the victim has no protection and that the aggresser was pleading for his life??? No way in hell that happened.
That’s why he didn’t have them take him to the hospital, he KNEW he couldn’t make up all of the BS that he came up with.
Mr. Gun Ho GEORGE has a gun knows he’s going to kill and he pleads for help, after making the choice to gt out of his truck and chase Tratvon.
If this wasn’t a loss of an innocent life and such a tragedy all of the BS he and his lawyers came up with was nothing but a joke.
The juror’s are a joke. Before the trial started it was a plan, GEORGE would get away with murder.
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@Lolypop. Good seeing you!!
West looked like he couldn’t breathe. Zimmerman looked like he was toast.
On his blog, Dave has close-ups of GZ’s head boo-boos, and it looked like scalps had been picked causing them to bleed. Until then, I suspected that he had fallen and got the boo-boo’s but after looking at the close-ups, I suspect that those injuries occurred before Feb. 26, 2012 with the exception of the nose. I believe that GZ’s nose was hurt due his shooting with one hand and the gun’s recoil hitting him in the nose.
I was hoping that the prosecution would have an expert demonstrate the recoil and tie that in to the GSR found on the back of GZ’s jacket sleeve. Seems to me that such a recoil hitting him on the nose would cause that.
What you shared of what happened to you 3 weeks ago, (and I’m sorry to hear about it), conveys your use of common sense. Anytime a person believes they have suffered serious injury, or even serious pain, they go to the hospital. The head is not anything to mess around with and if GZ’s head had been bashed on concrete, he should have been transported to the hospital asap. He had reasons for not wanting to go to the hospital and they had nothing to do with insurance deductibles because the county provides medical expenses to victims of crime, as he purported to be.
BDLR said that he believes GZ had his gun out long before the altercation. I do too. However, I don’t think it was to kill Trayvon but rather, to control him to submit to being restrained and detained. GZ did not anticipate that Trayvon would start screaming for help.
What GZ omits is important. Not once does he say when, where and how he dropped the tactical flashlight. I suspect that GZ had the gun clipped to the top of that flashlight like cops carry them in dark places. I also believe that when they went to the ground is when GZ dropped the flashlight, “shrimped” to get to it, and the wrestling seen by witnesses was Trayvon trying to keep GZ from getting to it.
Funny — although GZ admitted to handling the flashlight, even banging on it to get it to work, no fingerprints or DNA were found on it. He wiped it clean after killing Trayvon, probably to get GSR off it. That is why he lied about spreading Trayvon’s arms apart — thought someone saw him reach over to the flashlight. Why would Jonathan want to photograph the flashlight, but not Trayvon’s phone? By thought? He wanted to make a record for where it was because GZ may have wanted to remove it from that spot.
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I’ve always believed that SINCE GEORGE got out of the truck, he planned to kill Trayvon. Tryavon hadn’t done a thing, BUT LOOK SUSPICIOUS??? The dispatcher said to GEORGE call me if he does anything else? Anything else like what??
Like walk home from the store?
Black? is wearing a button on his shirt? check GEORGE out? He must be on something? Up to no good? He’s got something in his hands?
That calls for AND call me if he does anything else?
No shit Sherlock. He did have Skittles and can of Iced tea.
When I used to walk to the store, I always had something in my hands.
You’re right about the hit on the head and I’m surprised That IF this happened, the peremedics were that careless in not just taking him in.He supposedly got SO many bangs on the back of his head AND he said himself he thought his head was going to EXPLODE???
Trust me, IF I thought my head was going to explode, I would NOT go home and go to bed. Isn’t the back part of your head the worst? I don’t know, but when they told me that they really couldn’t even tell if I had a broken neck without xrays.
My first thought wasn’t about insurance that’s for sure.
Where was ALL of that blood dripping down on George head when he walked in the police station? That is all BS and we know it.
This will bother me for the rest of my life and it should everyone. The ones that think GEORGE had to do this to save his life. That’s total bullshit.
IF he was really worried about losing his life he would have definitely gone to the hospital that night and the people around him would have encouraged STRONGLY that he go.
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Xena, As usual excellent work! Some of us do appreciate you keeping up the fight for justice.. I do read here, but have never posted… 😉
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@crazy1946. Welcome to Blackbutterfly7. Now that your first post has been approved, any further comments won’t go into moderation. You’re free!! 🙂 Don’t be a stranger.
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I have never seen the ER turn away anyone, and if I am correct, I believe by law they can’t. I believe the reason he didn’t want to be seen is because he was under the influence, and you know once they have you registered, next comes the cup. Everbody knows the first thing you do when you are in an accident is to head to the doc or er. You may not hurt today, but tomorrow of the next, you may. I worked in for several insurance agencys, so without a doubt Gz has reffered many of his customers to the ER. He knows the game, the more times you are documented with visits to the doc, the more you are going to get paid. A broken nose, a little physical therapy tor your back, you hit payday. If you are found to have been under to influence, know that opens a can of worms that you don’t want. Gz is well aware of that, which imo explains the know show.
It is reasonable to believe that where it ended in the grassy area, that the one more head smashing BS was not going to happen. The Zimmerman family played that to a fiddle, and it amazes me that people cannot think for themselves.
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@dreamer. (Cute video) Zimmerman had medical insurance. He told Singleton that he didn’t go to the hospital because he couldn’t afford the deductible. Let us think about that. Here’s a man who said he thought he was losing consciousness and that his head was hurt so badly that he had to kill the other person (although he had removed his head off the concrete).
Yet, peroxide cured him.
For sure. Blood tests too. And also, because he claimed being victim of assault, they would have likely taken samples from underneath his fingernails too.
Clearly, George Zimmerman violated Trayvon’s civil rights. He referred to Trayvon in the plural, (might as well said “those people”), and after shooting him, took unofficial authority over his dying body to restrain him.
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I am so hurt by what has been done to this kid and his family. There have been many a murdered child victims in this “STINKING COUNTRY,” yet not a one of them were mistreated the way some have done to Trayvon. It’s really very shameful, to know that some whites can be so evil as well as cruel, to a deceased child who “NEVER” harmed anyone.
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ladystclaire,
I agree. It makes me ashamed as a white person.
I would like to apologize for all of them but they have NO SHAME. That is what pisses me off so bad. They really are so damn COLD and hateful. They don’t want to change.
If I were them, I would be ashamed to look in the mirror and couldn’t sleep at night, but them,
they just don’t care.
Some things that I’ve read were just that, evil and cruel from “supposedly” grown-ups.
It really breaks my heart.
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Thanks for the excellent post, Xena. Someone said after the verdict that “only in AMerica can someone be put on trial for their own murder”
GZ was less on trial than his unarmed victim was, thanks to the tactics of his defense lawyers and the bias of the jury.
Many things made me angry, disappointed and sad during the trial but the testimony of Adam Pollack was so ludicrously and openly false and biased I mistakenly assumed the jury would feel the same way. Who could possibly believe him?
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@willisnewton.
Excellent question. IMO, he has no idea how he came across as being a money-grabbing con-artist. If the only benefit that Zimmerman gained was a diet from a “fight gym,” Pollock could have recommended that he join Weight-Watchers.
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More proof that the prosecution avoided going into the details that were needed to prove their case. The only way that could happen, with experienced prosecutors, is for them to have decided that they were going to make certain that they would lose. This is probably on the Governor, who would appoint a loyalist and intimate the outcome to be desired. Hardly a wonder that a pro SYG Governor would be on the side of a vigilante, most especially one who was white and had killed a black youth. In his state, his funding would mostly come from people who were of like mind. In short, this wasn’t a trial at all, it was a sham!
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@Lonnie Starr. You could be right. I too thought that the prosecution could have been more effective during cross-examination, and was disappointed that they did not present a rebuttal case. Yet, Jurors B37 and B29’s media interviews are revelations of jury tampering. The same evidence and arguments by the prosecution before 6 impartial jurors would have had a result of guilt, whether of 2nd degree murder or manslaughter.
B37’s literary agent stated that he was found not guilty due to the way he was charged. It wasn’t the lack of evidence or insufficient arguments by the prosecution.
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Even with the huge uproar over charging Fogen, I have a real problem with the belief that the State of Florida stepped in to charge Fogen as a political maneuver. The state found evidence of M2 or manslaughter and charged him. As John Guy said, Fogen didn’t have to kill Trayvon. He profiled, he followed, he instigated a confrontation, and then when the cops were less than a minute away, he shot Trayvon in the heart as Trayvon tried to defend himself from the creepy-ass cracker. Fogen had ample opportunity to identify himself, offer a ride – and more than once, or to sit tight in his damn truck and wait for police. End of story.
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@Two sides. Yes! We went over discovery material. The protests and petition may have impressed Gov. Scott to appoint Corey to investigate, but the results of that investigation is what led to GZ’s arrest.
Corey’s investigators had good reason to charge GZ. Although Corey backs the SPD’s investigation, it was clear that Wolfinger was not going to proceed on Serino’s Capias and arrest Zimmerman.
Now, Gov. Scott has something else to consider; i.e., there were 6 Florida citizens who said they didn’t understand Florida law. Some of them have or had conceal carry licenses, and getting that license requires that they take classes. IOWs, the Governor supports a law that his citizens believe gives them license to shoot to kill if someone steps on their toe.
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Florida really needs to change that jury of 6 on anything less than M1 stuff. Insane. And SYG laws really need to set up better boundaries regarding what constitutes the difference between having to stand your ground and doing the pansy-azz shizazz that Fogen pulled. I’m glad that moderate Republicans are speaking out about the fallacy of turning Fogen into a hero. HE IS NOT!
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Yes and worse yet… He doesn’t care!!!
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@Lonnie Starr. You mean Wolfinger? He didn’t care. According to Bernie during a hearing, the case was not presented by Wolfinger before the grand jury because he was afraid the grand jury would indict GZ, and his office had prosecuted another SYG case and lost. Now, that IS a political decision.
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After Trayvon had discovered himself being followed by gz, gz was no longer just any person out for a stroll. gz had become a clear and present danger to Trayvon’s well being, and it was in that capacity that he was found on foot in the area.
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@Lonnie Starr. Absolutely! According to Rachel Jeantel, Trayvon told her of a man watching him, then following him. That indicates 2 things. One, Trayvon was somewhere standing still and GZ was staring him down. Two, when Trayvon began to walk, GZ followed in his truck.
With the first, one would think that if it’s a creep without bad intentions, once walking away the creep would stay in the vehicle. When GZ pulled off and began following Trayvon in the vehicle, that indicated bad intentions. And all that time, GZ didn’t bother to shout out the window, “I’m with Neighborhood Watch. Do you need help?”
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…And now we have even more evidence that gz is a man of violence here.
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Yes, but that was the literary agent’s say so, the fact remains that at law, under “Assault”, there should have been no self defense claim possible. gz was committing a crime and the prosecution knew it. It was their job to point out this fact in clear and certain terms. Thus there should have been no quibble over the legal nature of the charge.
However, jury tampering, is cause for a mistrial, I hope that Justice sees it for what it is, and pursues a mistrial. The case must be removed from the Florida court system, since there is no hope of justice within that state for this case. Opposition to Trayvon’s rights runs to the very pinnacles of state government in Florida.
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@Lonnie Starr.
Indeed. I doubt there will be investigation into jury tampering unless the feds do it. If Corey does it, it will make her appear like a sore loser. I am not sure if the feds have jurisdiction to investigate jury tampering.
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They do if it is part of the case wherein, there is a denial of civil rights being underway.
The prosecution, in attempting to “keep their own hands clean”, contrived excuses for each act they committed that helped the defense and contributed to the prosecution losing the case. But, despite the excuses, the prosecution deliberately did things that ultimately caused them to lose their own case. That is a civil rights violation, in and of itself. The prosecution failed to diligently pursue a conviction by hiding the many facts, adverse to the defense, from the juries view. Even to the point of putting the defendants own self defense claims before the jury, when they realized he could not take the stand on his own behalf.
They avoided focusing on the fact that for all Trayvon knew, when he discovered he was being followed by a stranger alone in the rain, that someone was intent on doing him harm. That is an assault under Florida law, yet the prosecution made absolutely no mention of it at all. The purposely concealed the fact that the law prohibits what gz was doing and that it was a crime. The commission of which stripped gz of any rights to claim self defense.
That is as bad or worse than having an official ignore the rights of a victim, who is black, and failing to do it’s duty under the law. Which is exactly what the federal civil rights statutes are all about.
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Dr. Bao’s lawsuit will confirm that the prosecution team was biased in favor of gz. That should be enough to secure a DOJ charge and trial against those officials who collaborated in getting gz acquitted.
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@Lonnie Starr. From Dr. Bao’s statements thus far, he appears to say that his boss and Angela Corey were biased against Trayvon. That may not include the entire prosecution team who took their directions from Corey. de la Rionda, Guy, and Mantei would take their instructions from their boss.
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Yep, and those at the bottom take their marching orders and assignments from those on top, so if the plan is to lose the case, and it takes a concerted team effort to win, the entire team is laboring under a bias. Besides which, they know if they fail to tow the line, when the lights and the cameras are turned off, they face terrible retribution from on high.
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@Lonnie Starr. Isn’t it amazing how Bernie de la Rionda performed in pre-trial hearings when Corey was not sitting behind him?
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Yes and now that you mention it, in the pre trial stage is when the defense should have been focused on trying to knock out the case, instead, they focused on writing motions to play in the court of public opinion, with nothing to use in the court of law. MOM’s motions were being denied, but they were doing the work he intended.
Had he focused on working in the court of law, he’d have given Bernie the right to bring out more incriminating evidence and put it on record. Angela didn’t need to be there because, she knew there was little chance of them getting into anything serious. Because for that to happen MOM would have to take the lead into it.
Notice how the few times they get really close to having it out over some issue in the pre trial stage, MOM doesn’t join the battles that begin to emerge in the pre trial period. He puts up his motions, lets them be absorbed by the public, then they die quietly in court.
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@Lonnie Starr.
Right, or he does not let his supporters know what transpires later. For instance, the subpoenas to the 7-Eleven for receipts in effort to identity the 3 Stooges. The same is true for Facebook and Twitter. The court issued the subpoenas, then silence.
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Yep, if anything was incriminating they simply went quiet about it.
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@Lonnie, I agree with you 110% that this case needs to be removed from the state of Florida, in the event, that he may be charged by the DOJ. I read on FB, that someone has filed a motion for other charges be brought against this murderer. But what kind of charges, I don’t know. As for Wolfinger being afraid of a grand jury indictment, I believe this is why Corey, by passed a grand jury herself.
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My take is they by passed the Grand Jury because, the jurors themselves would have recognized that gz was breaking the law from the start. He’s not supposed to follow anyone, yet he did, and that caused the person followed to become concerned for his own welfare. A Grand Jury would not accept that a person being followed without cause, having committed no crime, would have no right to self defense against a stalker. Which, under Florida’s law, stalking is called Assault. Thus the Grand Jury would probably have found for aggravated assault, in addition to murder 2. In which case gz could not have made a self defense claim of any kind at all. Thus the GJ had to be avoided at all costs, if they intended to set gz free.
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Lonnie,
Have you seen Xena’s excellent videos regarding the jury as far as tampering and problems with the jury’s deliberations?
If not, perhaps Xena can give you the links.
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George Zimmerman Shops for a 12-shot Shotgun
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Although it is true that the judges rulings hamstrung the prosecution, that does not excuse the prosecution for not appealing adverse rulings just as the defense was able to do. Instead the prosecution simply laid down and accepted one adverse ruling after another without complain or further ado. Which leads me to believe that they did not intend to win, or they’d have pursued every angle, just as the defense did.
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I totally agree with you, Lonnie!
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Thank you, the prosecution also accepted adverse testimony without challenge. They avoided setting the scene “from the start” yet pleaded that the jury should start “at the beginning”, how could they? They were never given the beginning, the prosecution picks up their case from the question of who assaulted whom. Never once showing the legal status that gz had created by instilling fear in a person, who to him was a total stranger.
The entire case revolves around the simple fact that Trayvon, walking home from the store, discovered he was being followed by a complete stranger, by car. Alone at night in the rain and the dark, Trayvon had every reason to fear for himself. That scenario was completely avoided and minimized by the prosecution. The prosecutors knew that what gz was doing at that point in time was completely illegal. Under Florida law that is called Assault, and gz had no right to commit any assault on Trayvon. It is inescapable that Trayvon was being assaulted “at the very beginning”, but the prosecution failed to establish that Trayvon had any right to be free from assault, and that the law had any duty to protect him from it.
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Here’s the latest on george zimmerman’s violent persona
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I agree, Lonnie. The prosecution was strangely passive many times. As the trial progressed, I remember hoping that they’d catch the next one, that maybe one or two things weren’t that important. But by the end . . . whoosh.
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I think most people saw the prosecutions case going down hill, but kvetching about it was understood to be of little use, since the case was in their hands, not ours. We hoped against hope that the prosecution had something in their back pocket, or up their sleeves, that we had not been aware of, that would eventually set things straight. That was not the case. The prosecution had simply laid down on the job, in order to allow the case to go to a confused jury.
The jury could not decide on the facts of the case because they had no facts to consider. They had no understanding that Trayvon was under assault at the time, and that gz was engaging in criminal activity. They never even discussed that critical possibility. Meaning that the prosecution had forgone the opportunity to prove their case!
They even took pains to render it unnecessary for gz to take the stand on his own behalf, by introducing his self defense claim themselves. A self defense claim that should not have even existed, since gz was already in the process of committing a crime.
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Lonnie, can’t disagree with you per se. Watching the trial, I saw the defense pull tricks, such as having Donnelley sit in court for 2 days then deciding he would be a witness. Well, something had to occur during those 2 days of trial that caused him to think that the defense needed his help. Then the defense presented him as an expert voice analysis. My main disappointment with the State was that they did not present a rebuttal case. My minor disappointment with the State is that they could have drilled defense witnesses more on cross-examination. If West could take a day and a half cross-examining Rachel Jeantel, the State could have taken longer cross-examining defense witnesses.
I would have liked, for instance, for the State to have asked Adam Pollock for his definition of “soft.” In general, “soft” does not convey being non-athletic but rather, afraid or getting hit. The trainer who described GZ that way must have had some physical contact with him fighting and not simply training.
As far as GZ’s statements and re-enactment, the State was showing his inconsistencies. Rather than advise the jury to play the re-enactment along with the NEN call, the State should have done that when questioning Serino and/or Singleton. They should have pinpointed every discrepancy and omission.
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George Zimmerman is a violent man We and they knew that then, and we have even more proof of it now.
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@Lonnie, AGREED! Bernie may very well be a good prosecutor and, its evident because he received an award for his fine work. But he did not with all due respect, impress me at all during this trial.
They the prosecution, left entirely too many stones unturned. I’ve still got a problem with the way they had Trayvon’s phone dismantled, as if he was really up to no good, while what was in the murderer’s text messages and emails, “REMAINS HIDDEN FROM THE WORLD!”
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Zimmerman is increasingly spinning out of control I’m afraid we’ll soon have yet another murder to fret over.
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It is so good to see all of you Trayvon advocates here!
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I hope that many of you Trayvon advocates who are just reading and not commenting here, will begin to post here. Let’s keep the evidence alive!
We must not let people forget Trayvon!
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Obviously the Florida prosecuting sector, will not seek to overturn this verdict and/or pursue any alternatives to the failure, they, themselves contrived. So, it is left to the Justice Department to do so. They need to show a federal court that this trial was fixed from the start and merely a sham. As such no real jeopardy, did in fact attach! Since that is the only real barrier to a mistrial.
A poll I’ve read about on FLLB (or the lounge as some call it), shows that most lawyers believe that the prosecution threw the case intentionally. While the prosecution is not the same as a bribed jurist, they are still officers of the court, and if they do not intend to win, by failing to vigorously prosecute, the trial is still fixed in it’s outcome, just as if a jurist had been bribed. Only difference is that there are more players than just a single one.
I think that if it can be shown that gz faced no real jeopardy, which should not be too difficult, then a mistrial can be declared. It is not a question of ambiguities being decided by partisans, but a clear issue that the defendant was in the process of breaking the law, when he assaulted Trayvon, giving Trayvon the right to defend himself and gz no right to resist.
Clearly under even Florida law, you cannot cause a complete stranger to fear for their own safety, then claim self defense after arranging to get close enough to them to for a confrontation to happen. This point alone precludes without further argument, any possibility that a claim of self defense can be made by the defendant, yet, we have this terrible outcome.
This outcome depends on a situation that no law enforcement authority would ever agree with! That being that no one being stalked or assaulted by a stranger, should simply take no action at all on their own behalf. Yet the jurors were allowed to believe that Trayvon had no reason to consider any response at all to his fears. Fears caused by a stranger who had made several assumptions, all of them wrong.
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re Zimmerman
Reported on Orlando WFTV9 tonight, Zimmerman to ask State to pay more than $300,000 in legal fees. O’Mara to file motion for legal fees payment.
The nerve!
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@Yorazigo. Already on it.
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Should be interesting to see if the state will fight paying OM or not. I doubt any state automatically forks over legal costs to anyone who wins a criminal case.
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@Two sides. Yes, it should be interesting. When I read the statute, it does not seem to apply to expert witnesses, depositions, exhibits, etc. It does not apply to attorney fees. If anything, it only applies to fees paid to the court. Zimmerman might be able to get reimbursed the $8.00 a week for the GPS ankle bracelet but that’s about all. Even with that, the State should argue against it on the basis that it was donated money earmarked for Zimmerman’s defense.
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LOL, Xena, if that’s the case, reimbursement might also apply to fees for filing motions, etc. Not exactly the most costly of stuff. I take OMs action as more high theatre for the Fogen supporters and he has them drooling. A few even think the state will have to repay his bail bondsman fee – lol! If that ever happened in a criminal case when charges are reduced or cases are won, bail bondsmen wouldn’t make much of a living.
I think Fogen has just about exhausted his good karma and merit simply by getting off – I doubt he’s going to gain much more than unwanted infamy from his deeds. If he was a normal person, he’d lay low and consider some transformative action, but this little visit to the gun factory shows me there’s no humility, no sense of thankfulness that he squeaked by and should dedicate his life to some larger goals and making amends – he’s hellbent for business as usual, gun-slingin’ all the way.
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@Two sides. There are no fees to file a motion. Florida might have fees for filing appeals but the circuit court lacks jurisdiction to order those reimbursed since it’s a higher court. If the appellate court was not asked, and granted costs of appeal, then O’Mara is SOL trying to recover his costs.
That’s because Zimmerman is afraid of his own shadow. He should move up to the mountains in Montana, build a cabin, an outhouse, hunt for his food, plant a garden, and save animal skins to wear for clothes. Then again, maybe the federal government might provide him with 3 hots and cot in the future.
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So there aren’t many court costs?
Xena, I’ve figured a remote ranch somewhere – now I’m thinking Peru – might be transformative and keep us all safe. Or maybe the Palins have a place for him in Alaska. I have no doubt that if he continues on his present track that he’ll check into the Graybar hotel again. Might be next week, might be ten years from now.
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@Two sides. GZ would probably not survive in Alaska. Too many bars. LOL!!! Maybe Syria.
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And if there is any justice he and Shellie will be eaten by some very hungry bears never to be heard from again.
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LOL@roderick2012. Florida has alligators. Or, maybe someone’s pit bull will take revenge for Zimmerman buying a gun to kill one who had done him no harm.
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They have panthers too.
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@Two sides. The 4 legged ones, or the “New” 2 legged ones, or both? 🙂
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I wonder if they are looking for money in anticipation of future court actions against GZ…….DOJ and civil lawsuit.
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@Yahtzee. GZ is probably looking for money because he is incapable of supporting himself.
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The best chance of getting Justice to pick up on this case is, to show that the trial was a sham trial. The prosecution will want to compromise any such effort, by making it appear that they put on a good and sufficient case, but that the jurors considered and discarded the most critical evidence of guilt. We know that didn’t happen. The jurors pretended that since they believed gz was a “good man”, who had every right to do what he did, they had no other choice but to find him not guilty. But we know that didn’t happen either.
The “hold out” juror explained that the others told her, that unless she could prove premeditation, she could not vote to convict.
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@Lonnie Starr.
Which was my motivation for the following video. What puzzled me is that the jury had a question to clarify manslaughter. Judge Nelson answered that the question needed to be more specific. The jury foreperson didn’t both. Someone read the law to Maddy, Juror B29, and then they decided on the verdict.
Juror B29 didn’t get clarification on manslaughter. Then, Juror B37 stated to the effect that the law is confusing. These are residents of Florida and some had conceal carry license, but they don’t understand self-defense law? Governor Scott should be ashamed that citizens of Florida are walking around carrying guns without understanding the responsibilities of conceal carry, neither self-defense law.
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@Xena, IMO W-B29 was only seated on that jury, just to say that, “THEY INCLUDED A PERSON OF COLOR, ON THAT JURY BECAUSE OF HER SKIN COLOR.” They didn’t want to be accused of seating an all white jury, ala Emmett Till.
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@LadyStClaire. Could be, but it seems as though Judge Nelson was taking a “first come, first to serve” type of approach also. At least 3 of the jurors were from the first 3 days of voir dire.
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I am very sorry that we’re still giving these people the benefit of the doubt when there is no doubt for them to benefit from. What they did they did with full knowledge of what they were doing. My bet is that, if some investigator were to approach them with variously contrived hypothetical s, without giving them time to think or prepare their answers, they will give fairly accurate dissertations of what the law actually is. All that’s required is that the law be on their side in the hypothetical and they’ll display their intricate knowledge of the laws.
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We also need to remember that, Trayvon Martin arrived at RATL on Wednesday. With gz’s frequent patrols, it’s extremely likely that gz knew of Trayvon’s appearance and decided to target him in the days before Sunday. Which is why I have a much stronger feeling now, than before, that Trayvon was lured out of his house that Sunday, by the guys he met at the 711. Otherwise Trayvon had no reason to leave the house that night.
I’m pretty sure that skittles and iced tea are a very small draw, since I believe that the house was adequately stocked with snacks. As are most houses, with teens, that are almost a mile away from the store. Heck, as I visited with adults in Emerald Lakes PA, we were sure to keep the house stocked with snacks.
Yet, he tells Rachel that he’s going to the store because Chad wants skittles. But Chad says that Trayvon was the one to say that he was going to the store, then he asked Chad if he wanted anything. So, why would he keep the fact that he wanted to go to the store from Rachel and make it seem like he was on a humanitarian mission, instead of one of his own design? That tells me that like any other teen, he felt guilty about leaving the house, since that left Chad alone, which he knew he should not have done.
Then, on his way to the store he tells Rachel that, “I wish my mother were here!” Why would he even think that if he was out having a fun trip to the store? It says that he had a sense of foreboding about what was up ahead at the store, he actually seemed to have dreaded the trip. So, why would he make a trip that he dreaded? Because, like any other teen, he did not want to seem to be scared in the face of his peers.
So then who were those peers on that night? Well, when Trayvon leaves the store, instead of walking straight home, he waits and lingers in front of the store for some 30 or so seconds, then a car pulls up and the “three stooges” emerge. They pause a few seconds outside, then enter the store with their faces covered, huh? Meanwhile Trayvon waits patiently for them outside. Only after they leave the store and exchange some short small talk, does Trayvon start back for home.
Thing is fate took a hand here. Had Trayvon not been held up for nearly 5 minutes at the store, he’d not have been stopped by the rain at the mail kiosk, he’d have been home before gz started out from his house. I’m certain that the delay of gz leaving his house, was caused by his preparing his bloody evidence, to be used in defending himself and/or bolstering his claims of being attacked. Claims that could only have been made and used if Trayvon were to be killed. There is no other way that his claims of being attacked could work, and as we can see from the evidence, the timeline, the dropped Rachel call and the start of the 911 call, we know that Trayvon had no time to wage any attack on gz. Thus we know that gz’s wounds and blood trails and all, had to be staged in advance!
Thus this was premeditated murder that the prosecution let him get away with!
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@ Zena
Good work! Hadn’t seen post about it when I posted.
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@Yorazigo. Thank you. Some things are faster to post over on 3Chicspolitico than here because of the Word Press theme. At times, I cross-post to both blogs.
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Zena,
Any Idea what this is all about?
http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail.jsp?CaseNo=592012CF001083A
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@dreamer. Looks like its more motions filed by the man from Georgia. Wish he would stop because it’s an embarrassment for those supporting justice for Trayvon.
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