George Zimmerman Trial – Day 10
Monday, July 8, 2013
Koppelli’s Gym owner, Adam Pollack, was arrested in March 2013 for attacking a woman and threatening to cut her fingers and toes off. Pollack testified today that George Zimmerman joined his gym in 2010 and began training in “grabbling” then switched to boxing. He testified that Zimmerman was trained in how to get free from being mounted, and how to protect his face from punches. Zimmerman did not advance quickly because he was obese and had no previous athletic experience.
MOTION HEARING
Posted on 07/08/2013, in Evidence, George and Shellie Zimmerman, Justice For Trayvon, Zimmerman Trial Videos and tagged Adam Pollack, Bernie de la Rionda, Bill Lee, Chris Serino, Donnelly, Doris Singleton, Evidence, George Zimmerman, justice for Trayvon, Koppelli's gym, Mark Osterman, MMA, neighborhood watch, O'Mara, Osterman, Sondra Osterman, Sybrina Fulton, Tracy Martin, Trayvon Martin, trial. Bookmark the permalink. 78 Comments.
We Hold These Truths To Be Self-Evident 
What the hell???!!! Tape one has everyone saying that’s his voice. Is O’mara going to do this with everyone in this tape. What a bunch of bullshitters. And Sondra Osterman looked dumpy.
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Hey Blushedbrown. IMO, the defense overdid it and insulted the jury’s intelligence.
The defense also violated Florida Statute on witness sequestration.
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Xena
OMG YES they did. It was so overplayed and that Donnelly guy said, In February we had a lot of new guys. He blew his testimony right there! Did you see Bernie’s face! Oh Boy let me get the exact moment be right back!
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listen forward from 2:47:17 tape one ….. HA!
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@blushedbrown. Know what I find funny? He said that while in the Army, he was familiar with the guys’ voices because they ate and slept together. Bernie should have asked him if he ever slept with GZ. 🙂
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Xena
Good One!
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@blushedbrown. 🙂
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@blushedbrown. About Donnelly, he said that he was a medic in Viet Nam, and has been a physician’s assistant since 1973. But — but — but — he can’t stand to hear screams.
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@Xena
ha! where did he find these people?
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O’Mara and Vanilla Ice Cream West found them at the bar where Taaffe hangs out. 🙂
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LMBO
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@Xena
You are a funny lady. Ha!
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Evenin’ little sister. Court has not recessed YET but I think vanilla ice cream West had a date with a cone because he left already.
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@Xena
Good Evening Big Sis. Had a lousy day at work. : ^ (((. Going through some emails. I fell asleep twice on yesterdays trial clips. Ughhhh. I have off tomorrow, Dr’s appt. Hopefully I can catch up tonight. Will be on but will be focused on videos. I don’t have to go to bed early. Yippee.
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@Xena
You mean the “licker” had to get his fix early today. Ha!
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Looks like vanilla ice cream licker West is back. He is now arguing before the court on a person called “Connor” to testify of photos from Trayvon’s cell phone.
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@Xena
I am wondering should I have a soft drink or something with a little more kick before I start viewing the “Licker” and “Polident”.
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@blushedbrown. ROFLMAO.
Soft drink. If you make me laugh like this again, I’ll be unable to get off the floor. 🙂
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@Xena
Ok big Sis. Hawaiian Punch it is, Polar Blast!
Let me help my sister off the floor, OMG she is laughing so hard the tears are coming out!
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@blushedbrown. Help. I’ve fallen on the floor laughing and I can’t get up. LOL!!
Listening to Conner now. Court isn’t going to recess until midnight at this speed.
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@Xena
LMFAO
hahaah
Now you have to help me off the floor. I haven’t heard that in minute! Court is still in session?!/! Good lord, let me get a crackin and start viewing. BBL
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Did the State bring this up? It blows my mind the dog and pony show the defense is putting on.
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The State asked Judge Nelson to strike Donnelly’s testimony due to discovery violations. They mentioned that Donnelly had sat in the courtroom during witnesses’ testimony. Judge Nelson gave the State time to find proof and she will hear the matter again in the morning.
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OK, that’s what that was, I was on the phone a lot this afternoon and knew it had to do with Donnelly. Time to find proof? As in what you just showed us??
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@mindyme62. You got it. John Donnelley is a snake in the grass, and GZ is a potted palm. Funny. At the beginning of his case when GZ behaved like a potted palm, he went to jail and ShelLIE was arrested. Towards the end of his case, he sat like a potted palm again, knowing that Donnelley was disobedient to the order of the court. Maybe it’s prophetic that the jury will find him guilty of 2nd degree murder, sending him behind bars.
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I would like to have seen the prosecution ask Mark Osterman why he wrote in his book that Trayvon had both hands on the gun. To show yet another lie/version of Zimmerman’s story (ies) that ”changes with each retelling”. Force him to say that Zimmerman told him that or admit he just made it up. Kinda ruins the credibility of the book and it’s author.
Hi y’all!!
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Hey Mindyme!! At closing, the State is sure to recall the jury’s attention to GZ’s best friend’s version of “George Zimmerman said.” Hey — Adam Pollack didn’t do the defense any favors today, because his physical demonstration certainly showed that GZ’s gun could not be seen, neither reached with Trayvon purportedly mounting GZ.
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Hi Xena! We all knew Zimmerman and his friends have credibility problems. Watched part of a Jane Valez show with Frank Taaffe embarrassing himself. He and Jr. have certainly exploited George for their own gain as much as must be possible.
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LOL@mindyme62. Taaffe has a contagious condition and passed it on to O’Mara and Vanilla Ice Cream West, which is his “short-term vision.” LOL!
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What the heck is in the water down there??? They’ve all gotten a full dose of what ever it is!!
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Lie-isis? 🙂
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@mindyme62
Bwa ha ha ha ha.
They’re on drugs or sumptin.
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I still have every faith that this jury will use common sense and their built in BS detectors as women and mothers to reach a Guilty Verdict finding Justice for Trayvon.
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She did find that the jury can hear about the thc in Trayvon’s system at autopsy didn’t she, I could swear that’s what I heard her say but I read on FL that she denied that it could be heard.. Which one is it??
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@mindyme62. It’s on the 4th video. Croakerqueen123 mislabeled it as “part 1.” I have to watch again. BBL.
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Okay, I did review and see where she said it was ok to bring up.. arrrgg. Although I honestly don’t know of anyone who gets aggressive after having smoked pot. These women on the jury aren’t fools.
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Just read where a news source tweeted the defense has changed its mind. Maybe they don’t want the State entering GZ’s laundry list of drugs in return.
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Okay, I watched it again. The problem appears to be that the State’s position is that a toxicologist is not qualified to testify of the effects of THC in the blood. Judge Nelson said that she is allowing the testimony, but the State can object, cross-examine, and present a rebuttal expert. John Guy didn’t look happy when he walked away from the podium, so I suspect the State is going to find an expert witness to first address the lack of qualifications of a toxicologist on the matter, and then present testimony.
The problem for the defense is that they will need to explain how GZ thought it was safe to get out of his truck and follow a person who he construed being under the influence of drugs.
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The State should use the Colorado dui laws for mj. The legal limit is set for 5ng/ml. Trayvon had 1.5 ng/ml in his system.
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Xena
Great job on Donnely. I noticed he was in the courtroom during Jane Surdyka’s testimony. Maybe a good idea to have Jane’s statement that she thought the screams came from a younger person, juxtaposed with Donnely’s statement that he had heard 250 lbs men squeel like a girl.
Journalists in the room tweeted that at least one juror was wiping her tears away during Ms. Surdyka’s testimony.
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Hey amsterdam1234. Sorry that your comments were held up in moderation. Thanks for the suggestion for a video. If I get a chance tonight, I’ll look into it.
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Xena – Exactly as you say my comments don’t post… no moderation, no holding queue just “ni na de na” (ni nada de nada) and none had any links whatsoever. I just posted more or less the note below to faux addressed to both and I post it here in case you can try emailing the professor.
REPLY TO YOU AND FAUX
After your and Xena’s advice my posts were coming up, I posted several times yesterday night and it all was working fine, but today again I can’t post and I didn’t even shut off the computer or change anything from when finally, seeing it was working perfectly, and after preparing a note of gratitude for y’all, to post first thing today, I went to sleep.
IDK, but it has to be something on the professors side, and I reckon it will be something to do with the spam guard, which, for some reason, is taking my comments as spam. I can’t contact the professor as I have no reply in my notifications from him to be able to answer to, and that’s the only way I can sometimes get a comment to go in. As professor is a paying member of WP he maybe able to get on to them and see what they can do, or check his spam settings and remove me from the list.
REPLY TO A FURTHER REPLY FROM FAUX
Been there, done it, bought the T-shirt many times yesterday and it didn’t work (clear cache, re-boot, change browser etc). Then, after it had not been working all evening and without doing anything, suddenly last night, after you replied saying you had seen my comments, I tried it and it was working.
As I said, I went to sleep leaving my comments posting perfectly, even from the main thread, because I am sometimes able to post as a reply in notifications to somebody’s reply to me.
In any case, thanks so much, but if you see a comment from the professor could you please try and post him there, because I really think it has to be something to do with his settings, and if he can’t fix it, he maybe able to contact WP direct who maybe can. (I am going to post on Xena’s to see if my posts are accepted there.)
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this is very annoying, all this drawn out babbling is wasting the jury’s time. they are sitting back there for an hour wondering why.
xena ppl are saying the state is throwing the case. if we think reasonably the state put on a very basic case. they showed what the witnesses *saw* , showed what gz said happened. and showed Trayvon’s family said it was Trayvon screaming..
then at the end of states case omar promptly told the media that he didn’t expect the state to be done so fast, he expected a whole lot more evidence. as if he was actually confused..
to me it sounds like what some have said, the state held back a lot of evidence. did they hold back FDLE detectives to rebut the defense? those types of witnesses are much more authoritative and decisive. they know the evidence didn’t match with gz’s narrative that’s why they charged him! why aren’t they explaining it to the jury! the SPD are pathetic excuses for detectives, they basically helped further gz;s idiotic story. we need real detectives!
why can’t the state bring in a CLEARER copy of the 911 tape that helps the jury actually HEAR some of the words Trayvon was screaming? don’t they do that all the time?? it’s not changing the evidence it’s enhancing the evidence!
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shannon, I’m worried too.. I’ve let some comments ‘get to me’ like this is a show for the public being put on by both sides to quell the masses. That the outcome has been predetermined and the jury hand picked to be able to say that 6 members of the fairer sex, women and mothers, finds him not guilty or guilty of a lessor charge. Sounds paranoid doesn’t it? But for the life of me I cannot figure out why the State is not introducing so much more…
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@Shannon. HEY!!! The State gets a rebuttal case after the defense rests. Their focus is on proving GZ committed 2nd degree murder. It’s the defense who has attempted to circumvent motions in limini and introduce issues such as “malicious prosecution.” The jury is not charged to find. George Zimmerman is the person charged and on trial. The State is staying focused and although it is subtle, they are also proceeding so that GZ will have to take the witness stand.
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my what difference an hour makes! the state made many great points using the defense’s quack for hire! 🙂
so they’re on their last witness, states rebuttal starts soon.
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Here’s the most important consideration that the defense overlooked, it is why they should never have tried to dwell on the voice identification at all.
Consider:
1. There is absolutely no evidence that Trayvon attacked gz as he claimed.
2. Because of one above, gz is left without any good reason for having been screaming as shown.
3. At some point during all this screaming, gz draws his weapon and fires.
Now, as a juror, picture yourself engaged in deliberations over this specific issue of screams and a fight. If you are forced to conclude that it was gz doing all this screaming, you cannot just leave it at that, you have to try to determine a reason for this action.
What reason can you think of; that would cause a man armed with a drawn firearm, preparing to fire it and kill a helpless victim, to scream as though he were going to die?
The only obvious answer is, to create a false impression that his life was being threatened, so as to justify the killing.
Unless someone can propose how Trayvon was able to cause gz great fear and pain, without using his hands, one has to conclude that gz’s only reason for screaming like that, was to create a false image of danger to himself, to justify what he was about to do.
I wonder if this would occur to the prosecution, so that they could offer this idea in their closing.
My guess is it would terrify the defense!
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@Lonnie Starr. Excellent analysis! There was a lawyer on HLN last night who said that if GZ was screaming, he was doing it to mask his actions and justify murder.
The most powerful evidence for me is that the screams end with the gunshot.
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Well the jury knows that gz isn’t claiming that he shot the kid because he got punched in the nose. He claims he shot the kid because the kid was killing him with a savage beating.
There’s no evidence that the kid was administering any savage beating, so why did gz shoot him?
The only possible answer is: Because he wanted to shoot him!
So, if gz was doing the screaming and he wasn’t being beaten to death. the only possible
reason for him to be screaming is to provide him with cover for his murder. So, either way gz loses because there’s no evidence that Trayvon provoked his screams.
Of course, there is the more reasonable conclusion, that gz provoked the kids screaming then tried to steal the screams for himself.
Omar’s trying to play the jurors for jerks, now they see that 20 to 30 blows is being reduced to five or six blows.
All Bernie needs to do now is remind the jury that Trayvon had every right to believe that gz was a child predator pervert, seeking out young boys to torture, rake and kill. Because a legitimate NW would not act like a perverted hunter of young children.
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@Lonnie
Excellent analysis. BTW, have I told you lately how special you are? You are very special Lonnie. Thanks so much for being the “Record Keeper”.
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thank you, you’re very welcomed. 1500 messages today, I’m reading without comment, from the lounge. Omar’s attempt to let a one sided animation speak for gz is ludicrous to say the least. It would be a singular travesty if JN should allow it. If gz wants to walk he must take the stand himself.
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Thank you Xena, here goes to the end of my purgatory… or my effing patience !
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(((((((((( aplause ))))))))) it worked whoopie, whoopie, whoopie, MUA MUA MUA to you Xena, forever at your service!
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@gbrbsb. HOORAY!! But, what did I do? 🙂
Good to see that your comment was posted without any problem.
Now, about being at my service ….. LOL!!
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You took it out of the SPAM… you accepted it as genuine, that’s what the WP people told me the owner of the blog has to do, accept the post and that should fix the problem.
Apparently the spam guard (akisment or something) has been tightened up recently and for whatever reason my handle/email has been flagged as spam, what’s happened at your blog has convinced me… please one more “porfa'”, if professor posts please reply and tell him of my desperate situation and what he can try.
This guy is idiotic, how did he think an animation could include actions, placements, etc. etc. not shown to the jury in court. What was MOM thinking… I hope they bar it!
BTW, can we leave “forever at your service” in just “forever indebted”, I think I can live with that better ; -)
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@gbrbsb. Akismet has been screwing up lately by sending comments into moderation that should be sent to spam. They are comments for Payday loans, sex cams, and cheap prescription drugs. LOL!!!
There are Zidiots who use proxy services from across the pond. Maybe Akismet decided to cue all IP addresses from across the pond into the spam queue. Don’t know. (shrug) Had they contacted me, I could have given them all the IP addresses assigned to the proxy used by Zidiots and they would not have needed to guess.
Do you think you still have comments submitted to Leatherman’s that are not posted? Do you need me to email him?
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Do I have comments still not posted… bwaaa bwaaa bwaaa ! No drugs, sex or payday loans over here, my dear, just li’l ol’ me.
OMG, they’ve just put a still of the “animation” on the screen… I am double gob-smacked ! Trayvon’s body wasn’t parallel to the dog walk… it was more at a diagonal and further away… please tell me JN is not going to allow this shit ! He’s based the animation on out of court “evidence” and testimonies and everything is simply approximate… which what you could expect to get anyway. Mind you Mantei is doing a great job of ridiculing he whole effort but I would have loved to spur him on knowing what I do.
Yes please email the professor… may day may day… gbrbsb has lost free speech and has one arm tied behind her back. I even tried to post on Crane’s blog so she could tell PL but forgot my fb details so a flop too.
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@gbrbsb. I’m still watching the hearing. It’s simply a way that the defense is trying to get a substitute for GZ’s testimony. I don’t think Judge Nelson is going to allow the animation.
I’ll email Leatherman and let him know about your comments.
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Thnx Xena, and if JN allows this rubbish then bye bye justice!
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I’m watching too… Trayvon just hit GZ and GZ bends backwards in the most awkward position but still standing! Wish they’d play how GZ turns his body and manages to “stumble or something” down 40 something feet of the dog walk.
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@gbrbsb. The place where Trayvon’s body was when Jon photographed it and after the cops arrives is also off in the animation. Trayvon’s body was more in front of the house next to Jenna and Jeremy’s. Yeah — not even GZ can explain that 40 ft stumble.
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Did you hear that Xena, Dr Mayo told him he had to put Trayvon at the side to make the gun accessible otherwise it was impossible. So Dr Mayo was there not Trayvon!
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@gbrbsb. No, I didn’t hear that yet. Of course, they would need to place Trayvon on his side but then GZ would need to explain how he accomplished that and WHY he would need to shoot him since Trayvon, on his side, was no longer a threat reaching for the gun.
The more the defense continues, the more holes they poke in GZ’s already impossible story of events.
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At his GZ’s side Xena, at GZ’s side leaning over on top of him, but that shows GZ would have his legs free to kick Trayvon. But anyway GZ’s story was that his arms and legs were pinned… as I said in my last post to you, maybe we should have it in!
BTW we really should stop meeting like this, it’s becoming a bit too obvious, my notifications list is all full of red roses and OH could get jealous… when this settles down please try emailing PL or create a chain where each blogger replies to 10 others that one of its members is lost in action… a yellow ribbon day, bring her HOME!
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@gbrbsb.
Haha! That would mean that GZ could remove himself and O’Mara doesn’t want that in a traditional self-defense case.
Oh-oh. I’m sorry. 🙂 But a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet. 🙂
Already did with the urgent flag clicked. Usually he starts a new page when court recesses for the day, so I’ll try to catch him early on that.
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Ta Xena… and if not the chain or the yellow ribbon, eh ; – )
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Just stole this link to the four main frames of the animation, the ones they are basically referring to, from TL if you think a good idea post it on today’s post for those who might want to see them… courtesy gbrbsb, of course!
http://tinyurl.com/njdze4l
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Omar and crew don’t seem to realize that when they ask all these convoluted questions, and poke and probe and keep twisting until they finally confuse the witness into making some claim they want. The jury sees and understand all of that, just the same as we do.
They know that if a clever lawyer keeps after a witness, they’ll probably get some concessions. Omar has done this so many times, then taken a victory lap, the jury is
tired of his antics and discounts whatever he says.
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@Lonnie Starr.
I totally agree. O’Mara and vanilla ice cream West want witnesses, (as well as animation) to testify on GZ’s behalf to avoid him having to take the stand.
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OMG, JN isn’t hindering the defence she is helping them sort it out ? She said she doesn’t have a trouble with parts of it ? WHAT ? How can she even contemplate letting it through. If the jury see an animation, that gives them something to fixate on so they will never consider other possibilities. Visual solutions work, but this is based on the defence’s theory… the fight starting where they say it started. I hope you are right Xena, it will be a tragedy if she let’s this in… the guy just repeated it again “atty consultation”…
Noticed JN just pulled MOM up because of the inter witness / attorney discussions during witness sequestration, was the forensic included because I heard someone say the forensic instructed the CG guy on his “intended” testimony?
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O’Mara and vanilla ice cream West led this witness to do the animation according to GZ’s re-enactment and John’s testimony. Judge Nelson really got interested in how the animation is not based on Good’s court testimony. O’Mara didn’t like Judge Nelson questioning the witness. Too bad!
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Actually I been thinking. Estimates emplacement T, assumes right hander punches with left, surreal transportation from T to John’s yard, Trayvon kneels by GZ’s side instead of straddling him as GZ says he did because otherwise GZ can’t get his gun… well maybe we should let it in for the State as showing what DID NOT happen!
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Day 11 page now has 4 videos available of the proceeding up to the “Daulbert” hearing.
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@gbrbsb. Thanks so much for the screen shots. I’ll post the link along with the video of the Daulbert portion of today’s hearing. Maybe — just maybe — O’Mara will shut his mouth before midnight. 🙂
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Can I blog here this morning ?
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@gbrbsb. Good morning! Just got here. You are more than welcomed to blog here today. I’m going to open a new page for today’s trial in about 10 minutes.
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Xena, posting worked on PL’s and whonoze’s until 5:am Uk, this morning – NOT WORKING AGAIN on either, only working on you blog
Can you post whonoze so he frees me again and tell him what you did, which seems to have worked more permanently, in case there is something he forgot. And please keep on trying to contact the professor with the problem and I will reply to as many as I can to do the same!
I have checked with my broadband provider and my IP address is what they call dynamic, i.e. it changes every time I log into the internet, so not sure it can be that, or could it be it is BECAUSE it changes
Would it help if I sent PL a donation would that get his attention… or flood him with 5c donations one after the other ? Everything is so automated that you can’t seem to contact anyone these days. DESPERATE I AM, DESPERATE
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@gbrbsb. Having a dynamic IP address can be a problem and might be THE problem posting on Word Press blogs because approval is per IP address. There are folks who comment here from different computers and when they do that, any different IP address puts their comments into moderation.
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