Knox gets Knocked Out By LLMPapa, A True Warrior For Justice

We are called True Warriors for Justice for Trayvon for many reasons. One of those reasons is our unwavering commitment of making sure that George Zimmerman faces a jury of his peers in the killing of Trayvon Martin.  A gentleman referred as  LLMPapa has produced several videos regarding the Trayvon Martin murder case. He has produced more than 300 videos on his YouTube channel. His videos are extremely informative by using visual and audio with the case evidence that has been made available to us, the general public.  He has a unique ability of taking the evidence and putting it in context so the average viewer may understand the evidence. His videos are not limited to just evidence documents, but also what the defendant, the defendant’s family and lawyers have said in interviews, radio and social media.  He has made some humorous videos as well.

Mr. Michael Knox, a forensic expert, was interviewed by Tony Pipitone, and put together a  demonstration using 2 cardboard cut outs  and two white T-shirts.

Mr. Michael Knox has also written a book called “Intermediate Range”.   I admit I did buy the book.  He presented his book as an unbiased view of the evidence. If I remember correctly, Knox also said he had a copy of GZ’s concealed weapons license in the book.

Fellow bloggers know that I love having links and have an extensive library of the evidence available.  I share  it with fellow bloggers when they need a quick reference.  Thus, upon reading Mr. Knox’s interview and watching his demonstration, I was sadly disappointed to find that he does not take all available evidence into account.   Also, in my view and in the view of many others, Mr. Knox did not conduct his experiments authentically and omits pertinent evidence in order to reach his conclusions.

Mr. Knox comes to the faulty conclusion and assertions based on his belief that Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman when Zimmerman shot Trayvon in the heart.  In Mr. Knox’s expert opinion, the position of the misalignment of the bullet hole through both garments is due to “sag” and gravity of Trayvon Martin’s hooded sweatshirt. However, in his demonstration, Mr. Knox stands while firing the shot and his cardboard substitution for Trayvon is upright.

We have found his conclusion to be  flawed.

The Medical Examiner’s autopsy reports that the trajectory of the bullet was directly front to back.

Trayvon Martin was either flat on his back or standing when he was shot.

Either way, the bullet  trajectory can be accomplished from both positions, but not from a leaning position as the defendant claims and Mr. Knox claims.

If Trayvon was leaning over GZ, as Mr. Knox asserts, then as an credible expert, Mr. Knox should have produced his demonstration that way and traced the path of the bullet.

Witnesses 5, 16,12 and 18 all said they saw GZ on top of Trayvon at the time or immediately following the shot.  Mr. Knox apparently took the word of one witness, (wit-6) and GZ’s statements over the totality of all the witnesses statements and evidence. We are all aware that Witness 6 later changed his statements of what he saw.  First claiming that he saw MMA style beating, he later gave an interview with State prosecutors that he saw no fists being thrown, nor heard sounds of flesh hitting flesh.

We have come to the conclusion, based on the evidence, that Zimmerman had a hold of Trayvon Martin’s hooded sweatshirt and his underneath sweatshirt, when he shot Trayvon in the heart.  In his videoed statements, Zimmerman demonstrates this as well by reaching out his left arm and clasping his left hand.

Recently,  LLMPapa  made a series of videos challenging Michael Knox’s conclusions presented in his interview with Tony Pipitone of Channel Six news of Orlando, Fl.

The standards that we mostly use in defense of Trayvon Martin being murdered are to use the evidence we have available and reasonable speculations that can be backed up with data available to us.

According to Mr. Knox’s  blog post dated May 18th 2012,  he posted two scenarios.

Excerpt taken from blog post dated 5/2012:

“In order for there to be this much distance between the clothes and the skin, one of two things had to happen: either (1) the clothing was being pulled away from Martin’s body (presumably by George Zimmerman) or (2) Martin was on top of Zimmerman, chest downward, with his clothes hanging due to gravity.”

Fast forward to our present date, where we have more detailed information per discovery.  Knox chose to conclude the second scenario was the best to present in his interview with Tony Pipitone, which was that “Martin was on top of Zimmerman, chest downward, with his clothes hanging due to gravity.”  Mr. Knox does not say why he abandoned the aforementioned scenario number 1, for his scenario number two.  Therefore, we must conclude that Mr. Knox chooses to believe Zimmerman’s narrative  of being on the bottom when he shot Trayvon Martin.

LLMPapa addressed the Zimmerman being straddled story when he shot Trayvon in the following video.

A  poster named Patricia postulated a long time ago that Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon using a painful restraining maneuver to keep Trayvon down. At the very, very, very beginning of witness-11’s 911 call,  we clearly hear the words “I’m begging you, get offffffffffff”.   We posted about that in September 2012.

I along with others firmly believe that those words screamed are from Trayvon Martin. Two independent audiologists confirmed that the screams heard on the 911 call  are not the voice of George Zimmerman. They have been listed on the State’s witness list.

In all of the many statements made by Zimmerman, either by written statements or interviews with LE, FDLE, walk thru the next day, he has never claimed to say those words, “I’m begging you.  Get off”. He only claims that he yelled for help.

I reiterate again;  Mr. Knox, “the expert”, did not listen or review all the evidence to date, before going on National Television to claim conclusively in his expert opinion that the shot came from underneath Trayvon Martin.

We know the amount of effort that goes into LLMPapa’s videos and we all love and admire him for his continuing  support for  Trayvon Martin. LLMPapa has declined several interview requests from several newspaper reporters. In one video he explained his reasons why.

Our commitment is a shared one. After viewing the series I felt, as a True Warrior for Justice, I must get LLMPapa’s videos out to the general public for everyone to view and compare with Knox’s analysis.

Mr.  Knox started a small Twitter war with LLMPapa, asserting that his measurements were off and used 5 syllable words on his blog to try to deflect his errors. He immediately tweeted Mr. Pipitone, Robert Zimmerman Jr, Charles Blow, and Benjamin Crump among others, apparently in effort to save his reputation.  In one of his twitter responses, he wants to meet LLMPapa for a face to face.  Our question to Mr. Knox is, how did you become aware of LLMPapa’s videos?   Are you aware that there are Zimmerman supporters who instigate arguments and defame those disagreeing with them by using partial truths with malicious lies about their personal lives?  Would you want to subject LLMPapa, or anyone for that matter, to massive cyber-harassment and illegal doxing?

Mr. Knox, you may not understand our reasons for being active in seeking justice for Trayvon Martin. While your reasons may only be to sell a self- published book, get a few new clients, get on TV, and maybe just maybe be called as an “expert”witness in the case of Florida vs. George Zimmerman, those are not our reasons.  You claim things in your expert view that do not agree with all evidence.  For instance let’s take gravity for an example. The back of Mr. Zimmerman’s head shows blood  going towards his ears, indicating that GZ was leaning forward.  The  photo is time stamped at 7:19,  3 minutes after he shot Trayvon.  In the photo, there is no dirt,grit from the pavement, debris, or grass on the back of his head to indicate he was on his back when he fired that fatal shot.  Blood rivulets are going forward toward his ears.   How is it possible that blood flows upward for Mr. Zimmerman, presumably on his back for a whole minute, while supposedly being beaten. Do the laws of gravity not apply to him?

Gravity does not lie.

But Mr. Zimmerman does.

The fact of the matter is you did not do your homework. You did not do due diligence in fact-finding and presenting a valid argument for your analysis.  You got  called out by a “layman “and you will not own up to it. Myself, along with others, shall continue to shed light on the darkness that you and others spread. Experts like Mr. Knox  do a disservice to their profession and  the judicial system. We shall continue our quest in keeping the public aware of people like you where the word of an “expert” can set a guilty man free, and send an innocent one to his grave without Justice.

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  1. Xena, someone has posted this article on the Craigslist R & R board.. Ok?

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  2. What a great Dr. Phil show this would be… Knox and LLMPapa

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    • blushedbrown

      @mindyme62

      Oh boy, I think Dr. Phil would actually get some real professionals to counter his conclusions.

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      • Hi BB!! Ya know, it just grinds my gears for the zidiots to insist we wait til the trial to judge Zimmerman, yet the defense continues to use social media to tell Zimmerman’s side of the story.. what the heck?? Love the article! Y’all can count on me to make sure as many people as possible have Trayvon’s side of the story too!

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        • blushedbrown

          Hey Mindy,

          It boggles the mind doesn’t it? Please tweet, facebook, and whatever social media is out there to get the message out, thanks again for all your help. You are a true warrior!

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      • BB! I ‘see’ Xena everywhere! lol, Credit to Blushed Brown for the article!

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        • blushedbrown

          @mindyme62

          Awww shucks Mindy. No credit needed. We all did it, we are a team. Love ya!!

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      • Blushed Brown~ But don’t you think gerardo would be a better venue? That way Knox can throw chairs when he loses his temper along with his argument! 🙂

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        • blushedbrown

          @cielo62

          Ha!
          What about some of the spanish speaking talk shows that mirror Jerry Springer, those are brutal! It is hilarious to see them fight in spanish and when the high heels come off , I am no good!! Now that I would pay money to see. Hmmm maybe I could send them an email. hahahahah

          (sorry for the late response i jumped off the computer last nite early)

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          • Blushed Brown- yes but I don’t think our buddy Knox speaks Spanish. Those shows are so way over the top! Gives all Hispanics a bad name. I’ve never chased anybody with a chancla! Although GZ and Knox would certainly deserve it!

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            • blushedbrown

              @cielo62

              OMG, you made laugh so hard I spit my cigarette out,

              Bwa wa wa ha ha ha ha

              chancla! OMG clanclas hahahahahaah

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    • LOL you so right and the I would love to see zimpunks on Jerry Springer too …

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  3. I just going to comment to the last part of you post … That blood on his head is just so out there, telling exactly what happened, why these psychos fighting the laws of gravity ??? It’s just beside me for real… Thank you for the excellent post, as always … blushedbrown

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    • blushedbrown

      @YvetteEU

      Thank you Yvette. It just kills me that this so called “expert” thinks that we are not doing our due dilengence. We have been analyzing, documenting ,videoing long before he even thought of writing a book.

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  4. ha ha! right??

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  5. Excellent post, Blushed!

    Big up! Knox the expert got crushed.

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  6. Xena, can you please put up the twitter option so we can tweet directly from the post?
    I’ll figure it out for today but for the future, it’s easier for more people to do it from the link.

    xoxo, me

    now back to reading!! (i haven’t even finished the 1st paragraph but i already know i want to tweet it! lol)

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  7. Oh I can’t resist!!

    What about Mr. Expert’s other *opinion*, the often recited “Trayvon must have come back to confront gz, since he would have had time to get home…”.
    This idiotic assumption is a favorite among the zimmerlovers. And now we hear the same thing from Mr Expert.

    Where did he get this from and how does he explain it in a way that’s based on some sort of evidence? I mean we know gz sort of came up with it first when he accused Trayvon of coming back and circling his car. But that’s one of those special lies that he seems to have abandoned. Like the one about getting his head slammed into the concrete and ” he jumped out of the bushes!” and the ” You gotta problem Homie?” and the one where Trayvon sits up after being shot in the heart says ” Oh you got me! ”

    So how does Mr Expert and the zimmerlovers know Trayvon had all this time to get home? Well Xena knows! She figured out their secret powers fairly early on. Thankfully she explains the unexplainable to all of us mere mortals, those of us who depend on regular ol evidence. Us regular folk that simply are not blessed with the *gift*. Thanks Xena!

    Mr. Expert is obviously another one of those Bigavoyants!
    Bigavoyant: Bigots who are also clairvoyant — bigotvoyants, “(bi-got-voy-ants)” Please see full explanation here> https://blackbutterfly7.wordpress.com/2012/09/

    But in short, Mr Expert sees things that only those gifted few see. He can read the minds of 17 year old, unarmed black boys! Amazing abilities they have huh?! Mr. Expert came to the same conclusion as the other zimmerlovers. That Trayvon was NOT frightened of the creep following him first in a car and then by foot! Hell, Trayvon probably was running away just so he could run back faster! Huh?

    now you see why i couldn’t resist! these freaks are popping up all over the place these days!!LOL

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    • Oh Shannon!!! You just made my day. 🙂 Mr. Expert, being bigotvoyant, evidently believes that when Trayvon reached the T where no vehicle could come, that he knew GZ was out of his truck, following him on foot. Not only did Trayvon know, by gifted mind reading, that GZ was following him on foot, he would also know that GZ misplaced his phone, that his flashlight was not operating, and that GZ would actually stop walking and face him, giving Trayvon opportunity to punch him in the nose.

      Yeah, you have to have the gift to know these things in advance. (snicker)

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  8. sanfordwatch

    blushed brown: You never cease to amaze! Great piece! And, YES, we ALL have your back!

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    • blushedbrown

      @Sandford Watch

      Thank you so much, it does my heart good that we are all in this together, and there are good people, strong people, who have come in support of each other and for the Justice due Trayvon Martin.

      Your presence here is an honor.

      On a side note, your latest video has the ole brain juices flowing again, and with your permission, I will write another piece incorporating your video. It is on point. Xena has done a similar piece with the Dooley case.

      https://blackbutterfly7.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/significance-of-the-dooley-decision/

      Thanks again for your support and together we do make a difference.

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  9. This was a lot of reading, but well worth it. Knox is no professional and certainly no expert if he did not conduct his experiment according to his belief that Trayvon was leaning over Zimmerman.

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    • blushedbrown

      @dawnjprice

      Thank you taking the time to read. I sometimes have trouble making my post short. 🙂
      The problem I have with Knox; far too many a time, so called experts will voice their opinion and it well become fact. The fact that he went on a TV program and gave a 10 minute demonstration so either he could a) sway public opinion and potential jurors b) sell more books c) looking for a consulting job.

      He did land the consulting part, but I wrote the piece to show he is no expert.They’re are many good people out here on the “net” with degrees, with life experiences,and I beleive they know more in their small pinky finger then in his entire body. We all have been here since the beginning. I know some people who can recall GZ NEN ver batim. I know people who can recite the list of witness by number name and address by memory. Mr. Knox should have known we know our material and we would challenge his results.

      I can safely say, we do not take this case lightly and Mr. Knox should hold himself up accordingly. He calls himself a scientist and he is not.

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      • Blushed Brown- Knox had been weighed and found wanting. Even my elementary school kids could school him on proper scientific methodology. Sad.

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        • blushedbrown

          @cielo62

          You know what today’s kids are smarter with you around. 🙂

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          • Blushed Brown- thank you! I hope so! When it comes to technology, they school me!

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            • blushedbrown

              @cielo62

              Me too.
              I had to ask my son How to upload pics and he started saying usb and load and some other stuff that I will need another youngster to translate for me as well. 🙂

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            • Blushed brown- at least I’m a quick learner. I can now use my iPod like a pro! A year ago I was so afraid I might delete something! BTW YouTube has videos to show you how to download your photos. They have videos for everything!

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            • blushedbrown

              @cielo62

              doh (homer simpson)

              You’re right.

              🙂

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            • blushedbrown

              @cielo62

              You can count on it, they are better today for having a teacher like you. Your very welcome , by the way. 🙂

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  11. towerflower

    Blushedbrown, love the story. Knox is just someone who crawled out of the woodwork to get his quick $ and to promote a book which is lacking is so many ways. I doubt he’ll respond again about LLMPapa since he received a smackdown that he can’t recover from.

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    • blushedbrown

      @towerflower

      I doubt it also. I believe Papa hit not just one nerve with this guy but several.

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  12. Excellent Article Xena!
    I don’t blame LLMPaPa one bit for not debating with these clowns. LLMPaPa has way too much class to play games. Bravo!!
    Isn’t it amazing that no matter how GZ wants to twist the truth, somehow, someway…The evidence prevails. Apparently Zimboy didn’t wipe the right side of his head because that blood trails forward and wraps around his ears. 😀 There’s never been an explanation from MOM for that…cuz even his silver tongue can’t make that fit any of zimboy’s accounts of what happened.

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    • Hi JB!! Actually, Blushedbrown wrote the article. She is a god-send; so thorough.

      IMO, Knox impugned his professionalism and credibility when he addressed LLMPapa’s video by condescendingly, personally attacking LLMPapa.

      About the blood trails — EMT’s never completely clean off everything. Those trails demonstrate gravity that GZ was leaning over. But the rivulets also demonstrate something else. Currently, I’m working on a post about the rivulets and the fact that the EMT’s said that the blood on GZ’s head was dried.

      George Michael Zimmerman will spend the rest of his life in prison. It is God’s plan.

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      • Xena- out of boredom, I started to look up information on Knox. It seems he has quieted his online presence. His professional site is totally closed to comments. It’s now very difficult to even find reference to his silly book. I don’t know if he’s cooling his jets because he’s embarrassed or if he’s one of those “experts” GZ had on his list (and getting paid peanuts). Either way, his professional standing has taken or will take a heavy beating.

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        • blushedbrown

          @cielo62

          What about his twitter? Did he shut that down also? Curious.

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          • Blushed Brown- sorry. I don’t twitter so I don’t know. I’d like to know that, too.

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          • I don’t have Twitter, but know how to search if I have a person’s Twitter handle. After challenging LLMPapa to meet with him, Knox went on to other things.

            https://twitter.com/KnoxForensics

            No matter how much he criticized LLMPapa’s demonstration, Knox still terribly fails to support his belief that Trayvon was on top because in his demonstration, he and the cardboard were both upright.

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            • Knox is a pompous blowhard. Will love to see him get blown out of the water when/ if he takes the stand. June 10th is quickly approaching and I will be out of school!

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            • @cielo62. I seriously doubt that Knox will be an expert witness for the defense. He is suppose to be a commentator for a radio station during GZ’s trial, which would be a conflict of interest for him to also be an expert witness. So, he’ll make a little money as a local commentator. Those outside of Florida will not even hear his program.

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            • Xena- bummer. Knox deserves a little professional comeuppance.

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        • My guess is in agreement with you that Knox is probably embarrassed having lowered himself to personally attack a nameless person who produces videos on Youtube. It’s my impression that Knox was baited into that challenge by a Zidiot. LLMPapa has been around on Youtube for years and in issues other than GZ’s case, and that is the handle he is known by.

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  13. “Thus, upon reading Mr. Knox’s interview and watching his demonstration, I was sadly disappointed to find that he does not take all available evidence into account. Also, in my view and in the view of many others, Mr. Knox did not conduct his experiments authentically and omits pertinent evidence in order to reach his conclusions”.

    That is exactly the most serious problem with his effort (I cannot call it work, because work requires doing things regardless of how distasteful they maybe to the pet theory). But his effort is a total failure because,

    1. To justify the kill shot being fired, GZ needs to be under a deadly assault that is unlikely to abate without a lethal defense response. Because he must claim that to kill was his only reasonable option, in light of how reasonable was the threat of him either losing his own life, or suffering great bodily injury. Obviously neither claim can be supported, if it is impossible to maintain a steady assault, because only bare hands (not usually deadly) are being employed.

    2. The problem is, if the shot is to be ‘straight in, front to back with no angle”, into the body of someone straddling the shooter, then the subject needs to lean so far forward that their hands must be placed on the ground to maintain their position. In such a position, no continuation of any assault is possible. Thus there is nothing for the shooter to fear by way of assault.

    3. At this point described in 2. the person on the ground, on their back is in total control of his weapon, since the person on top needs both of his hands on the ground to prop himself up. At this point, a mere warning that the person on the bottom has a firearm, aimed and ready to fire, would be enough to end hostilities with all but the most crazed lunatics.

    4. In this situation, if a shot were to be fired, it would automatically prove itself to be unnecessary and therefore murder 2. Since no reasonable person will see a man, looming over an armed man, while both of his own hands are firmly on the ground, as an immediately deadly threat of any sort. This is not only because of the positions, but because barehanded attacks are not generally believed to be deadly unless the attacker is a highly trained martial artist or military trained combatant.

    Mr. Knox, for some strange reason, is willing to play fast and loose with the minds of millions of people who are reached by the tv news show. Leaving them with a crippled and mistaken impression of what the evidence in this case shows. That is the thanks one gets from watching Mr. Pipitone’s programs, a distorted view of reality.

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