Why Retreat View Circle?

George Zimmerman (GZ) followed Trayvon Martin in a vehicle. Trayvon ran to and beyond the pedestrian cut-through which has no road for a vehicle. How was Trayvon to know that GZ would get out of his truck and follow him on foot? If, as GZ says, Trayvon ran and was out of sight, how would Trayvon know that GZ had followed him, where GZ would walk thereafter, and whether GZ would make a round-trip returning to his car and when? Thus, the theory that Trayvon double-backed to attack GZ appears acceptable only to people who believe that Trayvon could read GZ’s mind and have pre-knowledge of GZ’s movements.

In his video taped re-enactment, GZ shows how he walked to Retreat View Circle. His stated reason for walking to Retreat View Circle was to get an address so he could call the dispatcher back with it. Retreat View Circle is so important to GZ that he told Detectives Serino and Singleton that he was walking back from Retreat View Circle at the time that the dispatcher asked if he wanted to meet the arriving cops at the mail boxes. Evidently, GZ forgot that his stated purpose for walking to Retreat View Circle was to get an address. GZ did not give that address to the dispatcher. When was he going to call?

Not remembering the correct address for the clubhouse when talking with the dispatcher, and when asked how he could not remember the names of three streets in that community, saying that he has a bad memory, certainly GZ was not going to walk all the way back to his truck to call back dispatch. Had GZ called dispatch with the address while he was on Retreat View Circle, he would not have needed to search for his cell phone, giving Trayvon (according to his story), opportunity to hit him in the face as he was feeling the his right side pockets for his elusive cell phone. GZ carried his gun on his right side also, although he claimed at one point that he forgot he was carrying it until he “felt” that Trayvon had seen and was going for the gun.

When interviewed by Detectives Singleton and Serino on February 29, 2012, GZ said that when the dispatcher said “We don’t need you to do that,” that he was on Retreat View Circle. (At 58:25 of the interview.) Although Serino told GZ that the law of physics says that Trayvon could not have made it home in that time, GZ alleges that he ran the entire distance from the cut-through and beyond where Trayvon was staying, and was standing on Retreat View Circle when the dispatcher told him “We don’t need you to do that.” Effectively, GZ placed himself on Retreat View Circle before Trayvon reached that point. Let’s take that part as truth – GZ was on Retreat View Circle before Trayvon was able to get to Ms. Green’s townhouse.

This is my impression on why, in his statements and re-enactment, GZ intentionally placed himself on Retreat View Circle before Trayvon arrived at Ms. Green’s house where he was staying with his dad. The following is based on physical and forensic evidence and witness statements.

GZ stopped running when he reached the cut-through. Why? GZ DID NOT want to go on that dog path without his flashlight operating. (He stated as much to Singleton and Serino. In his re-enactment, GZ said that when he first reached the “T”, that his flashlight was not working.) Thus, GZ was neither going to go down the “T” without a working flashlight.

Let’s remember that according to GZ, his flashlight was not working when he first arrived at the “T.” Let’s now go back and remember that in the recording of his call when the dispatcher said “We don’t need you to do that,” it is shortly thereafter when we hear a sound that GZ says was due to him banging his flashlight, trying to get it to work. We can conclude, based on that recording, that wherever GZ was when told “We don’t need you to do that,” it was shortly thereafter when he tries to get his flashlight to operate.

Banging on his tactical flashlight in effort to get it to work, and while holding his cell phone, made it possible for GZ to drop his keychain with the small flashlight. That flashlight was found on, and near the T. Listening to the recording of GZ’s call, he got out of his truck very fast. That means that the tactical flashlight had to be within convenient reach. GZ lived in a townhouse with an attached garage. He would not need a flashlight to see how to enter his house. On those occasions when he might have come into the townhouse through the front door, GZ had a small flashlight on his key chain. Why was the tactical flashlight so convenient for GZ to grab as he got out of this truck to follow Trayvon?

In all of his statements, not once does GZ mention either flashlight. He does not say when nor what caused him to drop either of them. When interviewed, none of the investigators thought to ask GZ why the small flashlight was on, nor how he managed to hold onto the tactical flashlight while doing the shimmy and being beaten. If he was unable to get the tactical flashlight to work, why did he drop the small, working flashlight but hold onto the one that wasn’t working?

Keeping the aforementioned things in mind regarding the flashlights, the question is, was GZ at the “T” when he banged on his tactical flashlight? I believe that he was walking down the dog path.

GZ could not see down the “T”  but he heard Trayvon talking. This is in agreement with Trayvon’s phone log for when DeeDee called at 7:12 p.m., and also the time in GZ’s call when his tone of voice changes as well as his plan on where to meet the cops. It was about 7:12:42 p.m. He hears Trayvon talking and knows he is on the “T”. With an assumption that Trayvon is headed for the back gate, GZ planned to cut him off.

Trayvon would have been walking Ms. Green’s house to turn the corner and run “from the back” to the front of Ms. Green’s house. This agrees with what DeeDee describes as Trayvon saying he was going to “run from the back.” DeeDee stated that Trayvon said he was “by” his father’s house. “By” is not necessarily “at.” Trayvon was “by,” near to, his father’s house. DeeDee, not being familiar with the physical layout, could not comprehend what Trayvon meant. She could only report what he said to her.

Trayvon told DeeDee that he had lost the creepy guy. Going to the front of Ms. Green’s house by taking Retreat View Circle would be risky because the creepy looking guy was in a vehicle, and vehicles can drive on Retreat View Circle. Trayvon’s only other alternative for getting inside would be to call Chad to have him open the patio door. Trayvon was on his phone and reasonably, wanted to complete his call with DeeDee.

Why Would George Zimmerman Place The Altercation At the T? Why Would George Zimmerman Place Himself on Retreat View Circle?

The most logical answer is because GZ was on those two streets and needed to account for his presence in the event he was seen or heard by witnesses. Along with this, GZ may have also needed to lead investigators to another path in order for his head bashing story to work.

In photos and on video, a fire hydrant sits at the corner of the dog path and Retreat View Circle. Anyone walking fast or running, trying to cut that corner in the dark, would come very close to or in contact with that fire hydrant. I have wondered if GZ tripped and fell, hitting his head on the top of the fire hydrant, causing the round laceration. In the dark, and just at the corner, he certainly could have done that.

GZ entered the “T” from the South. 

To reiterate, Investigator Serino told GZ that the law of physics says that Trayvon could not have arrived at his dad’s house before GZ arrived on Retreat View Circle by going down the dog path. Serino’s mistake was trying to make sense out of GZ’s story, and assuming that Trayvon was hiding. Trayvon had no reason to hide. The creepy looking guy had followed in a vehicle. Trayvon had ran to an area with no road for a vehicle. How was Trayvon to know that the creepy guy would get out of his truck and follow him on foot?

It was GZ who stopped running when he reached the “T” and while attempting to get his tactical flashlight to work, heard Trayvon talking on the phone, giving away his location. This makes perfect sense with GZ not wanting to give the dispatcher his full address on the basis of “I don’t know where this kid is.” That statement certainly conveys that GZ believed that Trayvon was within hearing range.  GZ would not come from behind Trayvon, because that would mean Trayvon could run from him to the back entrance as GZ assumed Trayvon was heading. To prevent that, GZ needed to cut-off Trayvon by getting ahead of his route.

Does the following make sense? You see the suspicious guy run towards the back entrance. However, there is a space before that back entrance that you describe as “the “T.” You claim seeing the suspicious guy run down the “T,” but you don’t tell the dispatcher. Furthermore, you know that the “T” comes out to a street. You say “He ran” and in statements, say that you walked to Retreat View Circle because you thought the guy was long gone. Long gone to where? If the suspicious guy intended to run out the back entrance, but he cut down the “T,” then going to Retreat View Circle would certainly put you in position to come into physical contact with him.

GZ sent out a double-message; i.e., “He ran” and “I don’t know where this kid is.” GZ saw Trayvon run. He lost visual. He then heard Trayvon’s voice — and he suspected that the suspicious guy was close enough to hear him talking. GZ had a plan to cut-off Trayvon’s path to the back entrance. GZ then asked the dispatcher to have the cops call him for his location. Deep in my heart, I wish that the dispatcher had told GZ outright to meet the cops at the mail boxes — no alternative. However, how was the dispatcher suppose to analyze GZ’s words? How was he suppose to know that GZ was carrying a loaded gun? Still being away from his truck, and telling the dispatcher he didn’t know where the kid was, why didn’t the dispatcher keep GZ on the phone until he entered his truck — for his own safety?

GZ went down the dog path to Retreat View Circle (as he demonstrated in his re-enactment), and went around the block, entering the “T” from the south. In the first video below, it shows that GZ could do exactly that.

When GZ stopped running, that doesn’t mean that he stopped walking while he continued talking with dispatch. As the 3 videos accompanying this post show, GZ’s reason for going to Retreat View Circle, and the timing for when he said Trayvon approached him, do not jive. From the time that the wind is no longer heard in GZ’s phone, until he ended his non-emergency call with the Sanford Police Department, is about a minute and 37 seconds. GZ could have been walking during that time. It was only 80 seconds thereafter when the first 911 call was received, reporting someone screaming for help. I’ll leave it to the talented people, such as LLMPapa and Trent Sawyer, to figure out the exact timing, distance, and how long it would take GZ to walk from where the dog path and Retreat View Circle meet, to going around the block and entering the “T” from the south.

GZ’s story is that Trayvon came from the T and asked if he had a problem. As the evidence of the crime scene provides, the debris field and Trayvon’s body was about 40 feet away from where GZ says Trayvon approached him, and where his head was bashed and where he shot Trayvon.

Trayvon Sees George Zimmerman Coming From Retreat View Circle

After running down the “T” while talking with DeeDee, Trayvon told her that he saw the creepy guy again and he was getting closer. Trayvon would have been looking in front of himself — not to his rear. Then, Trayvon told DeeDee that the creepy guy was following him again. Trayvon had changed directions. He turned his back to GZ and starting walking away from GZ going north when GZ ran past and in front of him. There is talk of a witness who saw GZ this. That witness is anonymous and has not given a statement, but there is still hope that witness will come forth. Trayvon asked, “What are you following me for?”

Now, DeeDee believes that Trayvon was pushed ONCE, but it is my belief that GZ pushed Trayvon when he first asked “What are you doing here?” The second push knocked Trayvon off balance and DeeDee hears Trayvon yell “get off, get off.” GZ reverts to his bouncer days and wrestled Trayvon to the ground. Trayvon squirmed to get away from GZ and started crying for help.

GZ took swats at Trayvon with the tactical flashlight to shut him up (Ya, Ya, Ya). Trayvon raised his hand in defense which resulted in the cut to his ring finger on the palm side of his hand, below the knuckle. When raising his hand in defense, the can of iced tea comes out of the bag. The EMT’s would find that same can of iced tea in the pocket of Trayvon’s hoodie. Stay with me here as I will address how it got in the pocket.

In my opinion, the reason some witnesses think they only saw one person on the ground (in an orange jacket) is because Trayvon was belly down trying to get away from GZ, while GZ was on top of Trayvon, at least half-way. In the alternative, Trayvon was on his back on the ground trying to squirm his way loose from GZ. That would also account for the debris found on Trayvon’s hoodie, shirt, socks and shoes, while no debris was found on GZ’s clothes — only the toe of his left boot. There had to be weight on Trayvon to embed debris into his clothing. His clothing would also have to have been moving while on the ground to raise his pants allowing debris onto his socks. Those results are unlikely if Trayvon was in a straddling position over GZ.

From that position, they begin to roll. GZ scratches his head on something. (GZ told Singleton that he thought it was a sign.) There are utility covers on the ground where the wrestling occurred. The rock and roll ended with GZ on the bottom and Trayvon pushing down GZ’s shoulders while trying to get up. A witness stated that he saw this position with GZ leaning to his left, raising his right-side up. That is when GZ went for his gun. Trayvon managed to stand and GZ grabbed his shirts, resulting in GZ’s head touching the bottom of Trayvon’s shirt, leaving a spot of blood. GZ holds his gun on Trayvon, who screams louder. By this time, at least two residents have shouted out that they were calling 911.

As GZ told Sean Hannity, he ran out of time. He was “nervous” and “terrified” that the cops would arrive and find him standing there with his gun and shoot him. Still holding onto Trayvon’s shirts, and making sure that his left hand was out of the aim of his gun, GZ shot Trayvon in the heart. By firing with one hand, the recoil hit him in the nose.

From confrontation to gunshot, it took about 2 minutes.

Why Did GZ Lie About Spreading Trayvon’s Arms Out

GZ stated that after he shot Trayvon, he spread his arms out in a “Y” position. He also stated that he checked Trayvon’s hands because when he was being hit, it felt as though Trayvon had something in his hands. That is odd seeing that GZ described Trayvon cupping both hands on GZ’s face, one over the mouth and the other over GZ’s nose. Indeed, that would be impossible had Trayvon had an object in his hands.

When the first police arrived, they found Trayvon’s body face down with his hands beneath his body. Thus, we know that GZ’s story about spreading Trayvon’s arms into a Y is false. Like an experienced bouncer, GZ knew that he had grabbed and twisted Trayvon by his wrists and arms. The spreading of Trayvon’s arms into a Y was a cover his ass story in the event his DNA appeared on Trayvon’s wrists. Witnesses gave statements of seeing GZ straddling Trayvon’s back and running his hands along Trayvon’s body. The 7-Eleven video clearly shows that the clerk placed the iced tea in a bag. The EMT’s however, found the iced tea in the pocket of Trayvon’s hoodie. GZ would need to put the iced tea into Trayvon’s pocket — just in case he would need to say that he felt the weight and thought it was a gun. Getting Trayvon’s blood on his hands, GZ also searched inside Trayvon’s pockets, leaving Trayvon’s blood on the bag of Skittles.

Much thanks goes out to Dave Knechel, LLMPapa, and Trent Sawyer (stateoftheinternet) for using the walk-through video and comparing it to George Zimmerman’s non-emergency call. You guys are the greatest!

Posted on 12/02/2012, in Evidence, Justice For Trayvon, Trayvon Martin, Videos and tagged , , , , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 26 Comments.

  1. Wow.. Excellent job… Thank you so much for the hard work. Also big shout to Trent Sawyer and LLMPapa


  2. Xena this is absolutely amazing! Thank you so much for the continued hard work for Justice! The double back theory always irked me because Trayvon was in unfamiliar territory, in the rain and at night.

    I always thought that there would have to be a delicate balance of critical thinking and emotional intelligence for someone to decipher the events that occurred that night in order for average people to clearly understand what happened. And you did just that.

    The murderer is not smart but he is very deceptive and a skillful liar until his lies are challenged. In the interviews he always maintain this I’m in control demeanor except with Singleton. She challenged his lies hence his mousy “I can’t remember” responses.

    Thank you again for hard work!

    Stay blessed!!!


    • I wish that Serino had allowed Singleton to do her thing. She was on to catching GZ in his lies. Serino interrupted her several times and I don’t perceive that as playing good cop and bad cop but rather, he was making excuses for GZ.

      Dave’s video inspired me because until watching it, I did not know that the “T” actually led to Retreat View Circle. Before the video, I pondered with the idea that GZ cut between the houses on the “T” and if there is clearing allowing him to do that, he may have. Dave’s video gave me the revelation moment that Trayvon would not feel safe ducking down the “T” because it ended on a street where vehicles drive. The creepy guy was in a vehicle.

      Trent’s video using it side-by-side to the NEN call is amazing. LLMPapa wrapped it up. Both use GZ’s non-emergency call and his statements.

      Thanks for the blessing and may you also stay blessed.

      Justice for Trayvon!


      • This is a good post but I have a hard time believing that Zimmerman ran past Martin. I think he saw/heard him on the dogwalk and chased after him. And didn’t DeeDee say that Martin told her that “he was behind him again”?


        • By “ran past,” it’s like someone catching up to you and then making a quick turn to face you. I do believe that DeeDee said Trayvon told her that the creepy guy was behind him again, which indicates that Trayvon turned from the direction of heading to Retreat View Circle and was walking back in the direction of the “T” with GZ behind him.

          There are witnesses that say that the sound of the cries for help traveled.

          Even adults can and often do give others acting suspiciously the benefit of the doubt. To Trayvon, GZ was acting suspiciously and he was thinking with a mind that was barely 17 yrs old. Did GZ think he knew Trayvon? Did he coincidentally show up again because he was lost? “Why are you following me?” is a very logical question to ask.


  3. Xena you are a doll! with your hand made tea cozies and place mats lol 🙂
    But, YOU have more pressing work and i’m afraid your talents have been exposed. it’s your writing not your cozies!!.
    So there’s no way we’ll let you squander your precious time on anything else.
    🙂 thank you very much!

    btw, this theory about gz’s movements is interesting, but i’m still confused about the geography so i’ll take a shot watching these videos from your perspective here…
    tomorrow tho..good night princess warrior


    • Not place mats, tote bags, but I might be able to work the place mat thing too. 🙂 I did do several bibs for little ones once.

      So there’s no way we’ll let you squander your precious time on anything else. thank you very much!

      I’m up for multi-tasking — to a point. LOL!

      btw, this theory about gz’s movements is interesting, but i’m still confused about the geography

      Until I saw Dave’s “walk through” video, I was too. There are many animations and such that focus on the clubhouse area and where Trayvon was killed, but the “bonus” part of Dave’s video, after the walk-through, is the first that actually shows that the “T” is not a dead end. It connects to Retreat View Circle.

      Thanks for commenting.


  4. blushedbrown

    Excellent post Xena. You are very detailed and explained many parts that were confusing to me before. Thanks!!


    • It was Dave’s video that allowed me to see the layout of that area. BTW, I haven’t forgotten the screen capture from the clubhouse video. If I can enlarge it, I can also put it up as a post for discussion.


      • blushedbrown

        Oh that would be great. I will send another one to you by email.


      • blushedbrown

        I think I figured it out, maybe who knows. Anyway what I did I viewed the picture then I saved the picture. I went to desktop where folder says Picture. Found picture. Double click. It now appears in Windows Photo Viewer. That’s where you have capability to enlarge with the little icon that goes up and down. Then I pull it down with the little hand and Voila you will see it.


        • I received it and have enlarged it. Now, I need to make sure that it’s not too large for wordpress to handle on a page. If I get it right tonight, I’ll post a page tomorrow.

          I SEE WHAT YOU SEE!!!


          • blushedbrown

            Thank GOD. I knew I wasn’t crazy. Oh I can’t wait. Did you tell Lonnie!!! Oh I’m so excited!!!!!


          • I haven’t had a chance to tell Lonnie yet but I will. You know, I watched the 7-Eleven video again tonight to see how the hood looks from the side.


          • blushedbrown

            Three things that are possible:

            1) Someone tipped him off. Someone coming from the same 7-11 or same direction saw him and alerted GZ after Trayvon reached the mailboxes. Or someone from TTL.

            2) GZ was on patrol, at not going to Target.

            3) Meeting by chance.

            Not to crazy about number three, but had to be fair and put it on the list.

            I’m working on another screenshot of something else. I will get it to you soon, now that I have a sense of what I’m doing. I have to keep all the timelines straight in order to try and piece it together somewhat, if that makes sense.

            So far I have as Time is concerned:
            @6:38 left 7-11
            @6:54 @ mailboxes
            @7:00 Snapshot
            @7:09 GZ call starts
            @7:12 Dee Dee Calls
            @7:13:19 Running (?) Not sure we should take his word on that, looking at the time he waited @ the mailboxes for the rain to slow down, he waited 13 minutes give or take
            to let the rain die down. I can see Trayvon picking up a step or two, if he felt uncomfortable with creepy guy following him in his car. But not outright running, he didn’t do anything wrong. Why should he run? pick up speed yes. not run.
            @7:13:36 Are you following ,Yes.
            @7:15:23 end call
            @7:16:43 1st 911 calls, screams
            @7:17:20 shots are fired
            @7:19:43 T-smith arrives

            I’m going to need Lonnie’s help from the light events analysis from BccList. They have those down pat. He is more familar with their work and can help fill in timeline regarding that. Then I can work backwards from that to narrow down who should I be looking at from the 7-11. You’ll understand that when I send the other screenshot. Also, I need him to give me the names of all the witness. I have Mary, Selma,Jeremy, Jenna, Cynthia, Ostermans. I can
            compare names to their pictures. Also need time when DeeDee call got cut. Not sure about that. Brain is overloaded keeping the times straight.

            Anyone on this Blog can chime in on timechart to make sure it is accurate, please do so. I will correct, but please suppy back up. Thanks.

            A special thank you goes to Xena for providing a Blog where I can see things happening.:smile:


          • blushedbrown

            Good, I’m glad that you did. If by chance, go back and view it again, after Trayvon leaves. Look for long black hair lady, Blue Jersey, Blue Jeans. I will send screenshot, to help you. Maybe, I not be crazy again. ; ^ )


  5. blushedbrown

    Did you change something? Everything is in military time. And the sides are black. Nice effect


    • I’ve tried getting the time correct since launching the blog. LOL! What I didn’t know is that now it shows in military time. (Geez)


  6. We just don’t know where GZ parked. The guy he had complained about 2/2/12, who was in jail 2/26/12, was an 18 yr old burglar whose address was 2560 Retreat View Circle. GZ could have cut through further south, since the townhouses are not a solid wall along the street but have several openings onto both streets. And GZ, claims of memory loss to the contrary, has walked there every day for years. That area is “Like the back of his hand.” So we can’t really know what his route was.

    Also, I think GZ dripped blood onto Trayvon’s inner shirt after he shot him, while he was seen sitting on him after shooting him. He had to lift up the hoody for that to happen.


    • Some people who are technically inclined have traced GZ’s headlights on the clubhouse videos and believe that he parked on Twin Tree Lane but was faced in a direction opposite of what he says in his re-enactment. That would mean that he pulled ahead of Trayvon so his headlights were facing Trayvon and when Trayvon ran to the cut-through, it was GZ who actually had to run around, or circle his truck, to go into the same direction that he saw Trayvon take.

      One thing for sure is that Trayvon received a phone call at 7:12 p.m. GZ stopped running about that time and the tone of his voice changed. He sounded distracted. GZ heard Trayvon talking on his phone. To wit, GZ acknowledged that Trayvon was within hearing range — “I don’t want to give it all out. I don’t know where this kid is.” Well, he didn’t know exactly, but he heard and knew Trayvon was close by. GZ then changed his plans on where to meet the cops and in words that speak volumes about his intent, asked that they call for his location.

      Regarding a spot of GZ’s blood on Trayvon’s shirt, well, GZ might have to explain how a spot of his blood got underneath Trayvon’s outer garment. This is important since according to GZ, Trayvon was straddle him throughout the entire altercation until he killed him.

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  7. He grabbed a hold of Trayvon’s shirt before he killed him,thus the blood on Trayvon’s inner shirt.


  8. I believe based on the wound track through Trayvon’s body they were standing face to face when he was killed.I believe he was restrained by his shirts and he was trying to break Zmmerman’s grip when he was killed.


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